Treat Chicago gangs like terrorists

[himher 634]

I knew some too. Their daddies were MIA (you know, like POTUS daddy) and their mommas were ALL on public assistance. You forgot earlier reference to my days in the "Chocolate City" in the peaceful, safe 'urban' utopia of New Orleans.

Perhaps whoever you are personally aware of gang members with independent, hard-working, tax-paying parents? No? Alrighty then.

Guess THAT would be off topic where issues like public assistance are right on track.

OH - Heard a rumor that the POTUS learned to use tools. He made one his running mate and another Sec of State.

Actually they were, not for the reasons you love to paint us. Reasons youths join gangs:

Why Do Young People Join Gangs?

The factors that influence youth to join gangs can vary;

however, there are identifiable risk factors and motivations

that encourage youth gang involvement. These include

individual factors such as peer pressure, family conditions,

lack of school achievement, and community turmoil.

INDIVIDUAL FACTORS: Youth who are delinquent and involved in

violence, drug and alcohol abuse, and promiscuous sexual activity have a

higher incidence of gang membership. Youth who seek money, power,

recognition, and excitement are also more likely to join gangs.

PEER PRESSURE: Youth who are associated with and intimidated by

delinquent friends are at risk of gang involvement.

FAMILY CONDITIONS: Youth who lack protection, affirmation, and a

stable family structure are inclined to join gangs. Moreover, youth who

have gang-involved family members are likely to continue the gang tradition.

LACK OF SCHOOL ACHIEVEMENT: Youth who are truant, lack

scholastic achievement, and are viewed negatively by educators are likely

to further their delinquency via gang involvement.

COMMUNITY TURMOIL: Youth who regularly see or experience

poverty, drug abuse, and are frequently exposed to gang activity may glorify

the gang lifestyle and feel compelled to join a gang. Youth who feel

unprotected in their neighborhood may be promised safety by gang members.

But in your mind unless you end up like Powell or Rice, you haven't accomplished much.

Reasons poor people DONT join gangs in other countries: Gang behavior is swiftly dealt with.

There is no incentive, no profit, no gain from gang behaviour.

YOU, on your list, forgot to add lack of significant consequences which is badly missing in the urban setting where urban votors apply their urban tolerance for violent behaviour and use their urban vote to elect urban governments who leave the individuals to do as they wish while focusing on ways to profit from the vast sums of money taken from working people who do not choose that path then allotted to "combat" it. You know - "community leaders" like Jesse jr and Ray Nagin and Marion Barry and can't this list just grow and grow.

[himher 634]

What percentage of time served differs on a state by state basis. The federal govt. pretty much did away with all parole and most good time in ~1988. Now if you get a 5 year prison sentence on the federal level, you do something like 4 years 9 months with good time credit.

Police said Watkins has known gang affiliations, and records show Jonathan Watkins has been arrested 39 times and has ties to the Gangster Disciples. Among the charges against him have been numerous weapons violations and an attempt to steal his car back from police after it was impounded

Gang members are dealt with on a local level and they serve time my a$$. How many dam times does a gang member have to be arrested, released, rearrested, and re-released? Until he/she gets someone killed it appears.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/NATL---COPY-Man-Baby-Critical-in-Woodlawn-Shooting-197288001.html

All those gun laws in Chicago (laughing). It's way more profitable to the machine to let these guys run free and use their activities to fund programs than to deal with them as they should be dealt with. Tried, convicted, and hung (lynched).

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[Karee 4,190]

Police said Watkins has known gang affiliations, and records show Jonathan Watkins has been arrested 39 times and has ties to the Gangster Disciples. Among the charges against him have been numerous weapons violations and an attempt to steal his car back from police after it was impounded

Gang members are dealt with on a local level and they serve time my a$$. How many dam times does a gang member have to be arrested, released, rearrested, and re-released? Until he/she gets someone killed it appears.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/NATL---COPY-Man-Baby-Critical-in-Woodlawn-Shooting-197288001.html

All those gun laws in Chicago (laughing). It's way more profitable to the machine to let these guys run free and use their activities to fund programs than to deal with them as they should be dealt with. Tried, convicted, and hung (lynched).

Maybe the fed needs to start locking them up. They wont be getting any parole there. I know Washington D.C. inmates serve their time in Federal prison, or at least they used to. Not sure if they are sentenced under the same federal laws though.

[himher 634]

Fixed your post. It wasn't a problem.

Why Do Young People Join Gangs?

The factors that influence youth to join gangs can vary;

however, there are identifiable risk factors and motivations

that encourage youth gang involvement. These include

individual factors such as peer pressure, family conditions,

lack of school achievement, and community turmoil.

INDIVIDUAL FACTORS: Youth who are delinquent and involved in

violence, drug and alcohol abuse with no consequence because that is ,

what constitutes fun in their community have a

higher incidence of gang membership. Youth who seek money that they do

not have to work for, power from intimidating other members of the community,

recognition, and excitement because they think hurting people is fun are

also more likely to join gangs.

PEER PRESSURE: Youth who are associated with and intimidated by

delinquent friends who are freely having fun preying on the community are at risk

of gang involvement.

FAMILY CONDITION People who lack a stable family structure are inclined to join gangs.

Moreover, youth who have gang-involved family members are likely to continue the gang tradition.

The reason that they can do that is because gang-involved family members have a hell of

a lot of fun hurting people with no fear or chance whatsoever that they will suffer any legal

consequences. It's a lot of fun.

LACK OF SCHOOL ACHIEVEMENT: Youth who are truant, lack

scholastic achievement, and are viewed negatively by educators because

neither they nor their parents believe that anything that you have to work for,

such as an eduction, is worth trying so they are freely allowed to roam the school

halls selling drugs or hurting or bullying other people, because it's dam fun to hurt

people and there are no consequences anyway.

COMMUNITY TURMOIL: Youth who regularly see or experience

poverty, drug abuse, and are frequently exposed to gang activity may glorify

the gang lifestyle and feel compelled to join a gang. The reason that drug abuse

and gang activity is right there in front of them to see and enjoy and glorify is because

the community leaders like and enjoy and glorify and profit from it so they make

sure that it is always available and there for the community. A bonus is it's a hell of a

lot of fun to hurt people and take things from people and the drug trade is also

very profitable. There are no consequences to it, and it's so fun

to do it that they join a gang so that they can do it too.

But in your mind unless you end up like Powell or Rice, you haven't accomplished much. Or Keyes. Or anyone else who believes in taking personal responsibility vs making excuses for ones actions.

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[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Reasons poor people DONT join gangs in other countries: Gang behavior is swiftly dealt with.

There is no incentive, no profit, no gain from gang behaviour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triad_(underground_society)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gangs_in_Mexico

I'm sorry, what were you talking about?

I didn't even list the italian mafia, or the skin heads that run through Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_local_officials_convicted_of_federal_corruption_offenses

Guess what, there are other races on this list as well, or are we to believe that corruption is only rampant in the black community?

YOU, on your list, forgot to add lack of significant consequences which is badly missing in the urban setting where urban votors apply their urban tolerance for violent behaviour and use their urban vote to elect urban governments who leave the individuals to do as they wish while focusing on ways to profit from the vast sums of money taken from working people who do not choose that path then allotted to "combat" it. You know - "community leaders" like Jesse jr and Ray Nagin and Marion Barry and can't this list just grow and grow.

[himher 634]

Who used the word "black"?

Not I.

Is there a special reason you keep bringing up the black community?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Who used the word "black"?

Not I.

Is there a special reason you keep bringing up the black community?

The same reason you've been focusing on it, what did you say? "What consistently happens around the color"

[himher 634]

The same reason you've been focusing on it, what did you say? "What consistently happens around the color"

I searched this whole thread and you know, I didn't actually say that.

Many statistics I post tend to spike in areas that are demographically above average in people of color but that's probably a coincidence when murder rates are 7-10X higher and has absolutely nothing to do with the type, color, or the values of the people who live there. No way. It's the fault of people who live far, far away and have never been there and those people are ALWAYS rich, greedy, and white. Every time.

So - perhaps you're referencing something from another thread about something else? Is that applicable to this thread? WOW. That didn't actually occur to me.

Idle curiosity - is there a new rule about referencing other threads? Because I believe you did that what? twice ? in this one. Better stay on track - I would HATE to see you put in time-out over some pointless rule. That would be terrible. Really. I mean that. Don't thank me.

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[himher 634]

Um yeah I was thinking of countries who make examples of gang behaviours, not countries where corrupt officials form corrupt alliances with them and profit from them the same way urban governments do.

Randomly picked from hundreds of articles and studies about them -

Triads and public corruption:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/03/10/china.npclaw/index.html

Yakuza and public corruption:

http://alifeinasuitcase.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/hagetaka-kurosagi-yakuza-or-moral-corruption-in-japan/

Mexican gangs and public corruption:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/17/AR2010061702987.html

Any more examples?

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[Karee 4,190]

Um yeah I was thinking of countries who make examples of gang behaviours, not countries where corrupt officials form corrupt alliances with them and profit from them the same way urban governments do.

Randomly picked from hundreds of articles and studies about them -

Triads and public corruption:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/03/10/china.npclaw/index.html

Yakuza and public corruption:

http://alifeinasuitcase.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/hagetaka-kurosagi-yakuza-or-moral-corruption-in-japan/

Mexican gangs and public corruption:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/17/AR2010061702987.html

Any more examples?

.

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[Darnell 8,478]

I'm gonna go back and verify the source, but

I was listening to some NPR thing this weekend on my headphones, and one of the bits was covering Chicago

and

the report was on a zone in Chicago ISD where ALL of the kids were in gangs, nothing was optional.

Rather, to not be in a gang, that wasn't 'allowed'.

[Darnell 8,478]

ok - it was a rebroadcast from

http://www.npr.org/2013/02/21/172593743/chicago-kids-say-theyre-assigned-to-gangs

which is what I heard this weekend.

This one, -> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=177346032 should be more important for any reader of this topic, though.

[himher 634]

I'm gonna go back and verify the source, but

I was listening to some NPR thing this weekend on my headphones, and one of the bits was covering Chicago

and

the report was on a zone in Chicago ISD where ALL of the kids were in gangs, nothing was optional.

Rather, to not be in a gang, that wasn't 'allowed'.

http://www.npr.org/2013/02/21/172593743/chicago-kids-say-theyre-assigned-to-gangs

This story?

ok - it was a rebroadcast from

http://www.npr.org/2013/02/21/172593743/chicago-kids-say-theyre-assigned-to-gangs

which is what I heard this weekend.

This one, -> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=177346032 should be more important for any reader of this topic, though.

You beat me

[Darnell 8,478]

well, anyway - regardless of stuff reported on for 'this' month -

The fix for Chicago is for Chicago people to fix it. Sure, it was fun that Michelle Obama came in , recently, and wagged her finger at the problem WITHOUT publicly chastising Rahm Emmanuel,

but that was only something for 'fun'. Nothing serious, alas.

[himher 634]

Rahm is really kicking a$$ on that gang issue LOL. "Take your stuff to the alley"......getting them off the streets is so far-fetched to a liberal mayor it isn't even on his radar screen

http://www.hark.com/clips/bbxmtzklgq-rahm-emanuel-pleads-with-gang-members-to-take-violence-to-the-alley

You got two gang-bangers. One is standing next to a kid. Get away from that kid. Take your stuff to alley. Don't touch the children of the city of Chicago. Don't get near them. And it is about values. As I said then, Scott, who raised you? Where were you raised? And I don't buy this case where people say they don't have values. They do have values. They have the wrong values. Don't come near the kids. Don't touch them.

Chicago mayor, Rahm Emanuel, pleads with 'gang bangers' to take their violence to the alley, instead of killing each other while standing next to the children of Chicago.

Yeah - he's on the gang problem like a dust storm

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