Pope Francis, in his own words, on the issues

[decocker 7,198]

"Open" being relative - it's still the Catholic Church. There's only so much "openness" permitted. At least when you're at Vatican-level.

or female-level.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

get what?

allowing gay people to marry, means they could adopt, which means the kids could be "affected".

similar to saying, allowing yourself to be catholic, means you'll take your kids to catholic church and they could be "affected" by a catholic priest.

The kids molested by the Catholic priests were working closely with the priests and in their private company. I don't know what he meant exactly by affected in reference to a child being raised by gay parents. It would be interesting to see what a child raised by gay parents thinks about it when they become an adult. What are the pros and cons of having two same sex parents vs one of each sex? Or only having a single parent?

The bottom line is the Catholic Church is against homosexual marriage period. Back to the men laying with men thing.

[duraaraa 203]

i don't care what the pope meant by "affected", not in the slightest. the hypocrisy shines through all possible definitions/context.

If you mean the hypocrisy regarding the molestation of children by Catholic priests, I think there is a simple explanation for that.

For someone with regular sexual tendencies, becoming a priest would be a very difficult choice to make. For someone with sexual tendencies that must be kept secret at all cost, and easy access to obedient victims, becoming a priest can be a gateway.

[Darnell 8,479]

Christians need to start condemning this publicly......

Why ? The Pope is the Bastion and Defender of the Christian Faith.

Sure, there are other sects that are not Catholic, but mostly they not pay attention to whatever comes out of Roma.

[decocker 7,198]

It would be interesting to see what a child raised by gay parents thinks about it when they become an adult. What are the pros and cons of having two same sex parents vs one of each sex? Or only having a single parent?

why does it matter? does anyone get to pick who and how they are going to be raised?

do homosexuals get to complain that they were raised by straight, loving parents? or a straight bitter single mom? or a too lenient ** dad? no.

[decocker 7,198]

If you mean the hypocrisy regarding the molestation of children by Catholic priests, I think there is a simple explanation for that.

For someone with regular sexual tendencies, becoming a priest would be a very difficult choice to make. For someone with sexual tendencies that must be kept secret at all cost, and easy access to obedient victims, becoming a priest can be a gateway.

i wasn't looking for an explanation. or an excuse.

[duraaraa 203]

i wasn't looking for an explanation. or an excuse.

Well, I think the psychology behind it is interesting. I'm only taking a guess, anyway.

Obviously, there is a lot to disagree with regarding the Catholics. Personally, I very much dislike most of the major religions, because they tell people what to do, and threatens them with hell if they don't follow.

Based on the people who I agree with on VJ, I think I will have a lot of really great company in hell.

[GandD 5,966]

Why ? The Pope is the Bastion and Defender of the Christian Faith.

Sure, there are other sects that are not Catholic, but mostly they not pay attention to whatever comes out of Roma.

What's with replying twice with two different responses? Goes to the argument that factions of one overall religion must make their side known any time any portion or sect of their religion does something radical. I dunno, I guess I wanted to drag the issue around with me like a baby and his blanket.

[decocker 7,198]

Well, I think the psychology behind it is interesting. I'm only taking a guess, anyway.

Obviously, there is a lot to disagree with regarding the Catholics. Personally, I very much dislike most of the major religions, because they tell people what to do, and threatens them with hell if they don't follow.

Based on the people who I agree with on VJ, I think I will have a lot of really great company in hell.

i can't imagine finding the psychology behind child molesters interesting, but the only thing that sets the catholic church a part from child molestation in other denominations is the catholic church's capability to effectively hide the abuse and protect the abusers given their strict hierarchy.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

why does it matter? does anyone get to pick who and how they are going to be raised?

do homosexuals get to complain that they were raised by straight, loving parents? or a straight bitter single mom? or a too lenient ** dad? no.

You're right. Everyone should think like you.

[GandD 5,966]

You're right. Everyone should think like you.

This should be the first response to every thread in P&R. Maybe from the admin, like as soon as you post, this is immediately posted from Ewok or something.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

It depends on the pope, though, I think. Some are more open to new ideas than others.

This one is about as "open" as it gets. Like the Chinese bureaucracy, things change slowly in the Roman See.

[duraaraa 203]

i can't imagine finding the psychology behind child molesters interesting, but the only thing that sets the catholic church a part from child molestation in other denominations is the catholic church's capability to effectively hide the abuse and protect the abusers given their strict hierarchy.

Yes, and that is quite awful.

I find the psychology behind lots of things to be interesting. I would love to know what the people behind the Boston marathon incident were thinking as well. Just because I want to know what these people are thinking does not mean that I am condoning what they do as logical.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

This should be the first response to every thread in P&R. Maybe from the admin, like as soon as you post, this is immediately posted from Ewok or something.

Yes, and that is quite awful.

I find the psychology behind lots of things to be interesting. I would love to know what the people behind the Boston marathon incident were thinking as well. Just because I want to know what these people are thinking does not mean that I am condoning what they do as logical.

Agreed.

[Darnell 8,479]

What's with replying twice with two different responses? Goes to the argument that factions of one overall religion must make their side known any time any portion or sect of their religion does something radical. I dunno, I guess I wanted to drag the issue around with me like a baby and his blanket.

If you make a moment to study my two responses, you'll find they are actually the same thing.

Your blanket is your own issue, I promise not to talk about it in open forum any further.

Edited April 23, 2013 by Darnell