Tamerlan Tsarnaev, Suspected Boston Bomber, May Not Get Islamic Funeral From Wary Muslims

[scotinmass 588]

There are 80 people where I work. All of them are American citizens. I have been asked really stupid questions by at least 5 of them. For example "Can you drive to Scotland from here?" It gives the impression that at least 5 people at my work are exceptionally stupid. This implies that 6% of Americans are of very low intelligence. That would mean that approximately 20 million Americans shouldn't be allowed out the house on their own.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Nope. Radical Islam has cornered the market.

Actually, radical stupidity has them beat.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

"Muslims/Islam" are as responsible for this bombing as "Christians/Christianity" are for abortion bombings. Yet both types of bombers use those respective religions to justify their actions.

Reality, deal with it.

It reflects on solely the nuts which commit these acts. Pretending they don't exist is pure nonsense.

Who's pretending that nutters don't exist? Coming here can lay that myth to rest. However, you can't have the same religion condoning evil and, conversely, condemning evil. Those of you who insist that Islam does both need to get real.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

If it were isolated to these two guy, then you are correct. However when you have an organized world wide network of terror and those people do it in the name of Islam, then I think maybe it's time for some PR.

I hear what you are saying about these being an isolated few, but evidence suggests that is not the case. An Isolated few despised by almost all Muslims could not operate and train the way these people do.

Yet every time it happens again we hear no outcry from the Muslim world. There is no outcry on this board. Do you remember Benghazi ? All we heard about on this site was that awful movie and how becuse it slanders Islam they had a right. Soon as it was proven it had nothing to do with the attack. SILENCE

I am so over folks who complain that Muslims are silent about terrorism. I'm convinced that low information posters are not worth the time they demand for others to repeatedly explain things to them that they should know by now, if they really cared.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

IRONY-- Most of this Radical Islamic based Terror, and most of the heated charges of "Islamaphobe" constantly being hurled on this board is because they think we slander Islam. The Biggest negative image Islam has to today is because of the radical terrorist, but it's not their place to condemn then.--IRONY

The heroes of the terrorist movement are the non-Muslims who assist their cause by repeating their agenda over and over, insisting that normal Muslims must accept terrorists as part of their community and faith. That's their agenda, not ours. Why push it for them?

Edited April 24, 2013 by Sofiyya

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I as a Muslim believe that while some of us might not feel the need to condemn each and every act of violence from extremists to the non Muslims.....we do need to speak out loudly to the extremists that we condemn what they have done........and that their acts of violence is not acceptable in Islam.......

just my opinion

sara

How many "Muslim" terrorists do most Muslim encounter on a daily basis? In contrast, how many bigoted, hateful, arrogant non-Muslims do most Muslims encounter on a daily basis?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

If I identified myself as a christian, which I don't ( nice assumption) and there was a world wide network of people that "IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY" had killed thousands and thousands of innocent women and Children, and I was constantly pointing fingers at people who dared say anything negative about Christianity, Yes I would speak out.

"Christians" killed thousands and thousands of innocent people for hundreds of years. Using today's logic, Christianity shouldn't even exist anymore, having been hijacked by extremists for centuries.

Edited April 24, 2013 by Sofiyya

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That's their agenda, not ours. Why push it for them?

Yes, thank you. It's almost comical. This very point is so freaking obvious and yet for some is seems so hard to see.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I can't imagine people expecting me to "condemn" or apologize for terrible acts I had nothing to do with - all because the actual criminals say they're representing my religion.

Why are some non-Muslims constantly demanding that we accept terrorists as part of our community. Why do they insist that we redefine Islam as a faith that condones evil AND condemns evil. What religion does both? But, that's what we keep being told we must do. Whose agenda does that serve?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I have heard some condemnations. I have also seen some strong shows of support from some clerics.

The majority in here, have refused and pointed out why should they condemn something they had no part of, but continue to label anyone and everyone who might point out anything negative an Islamaphobe.

Muslims don't appreciate being told when and how to react to tragedy. It implies that, because they're Muslim, they wouldn't do it on their own.

Has it even been proven decisively that this is a religious-based act?

No, and it hasn't been proven that the religion would be Islam anyway, since Islam condemns what they did.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It's a shame that the extremists in any religion, or political party, or organization of any kind cancel out the majority.

When does extremism cancel out religion? I'm curious about how elastic a religion must be to include people who do what the religion disallows.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Who's pretending that nutters don't exist? Coming here can lay that myth to rest. However, you can't have the same religion condoning evil and, conversely, condemning evil. Those of you who insist that Islam does both need to get real.

You certainly can have any religion preach peace while condoning evil.

Jim Jones and David Karesh come to mind as well known Christian examples, Bin Laden and company as Muslim examples.

Slavery and Manifest Destiny spring to mind as historical US evils, supported by Christian thinking at the time.

The problem with your framing of the Radical Islam issue is that you excommunicate adherents and try to wipe away their own claims instead of recognizing that they don't represent mainstream Islam any more than the whacked out Christian examples I gave do represent mainstream Christians.

There are those who lump all Muslims into the extremist mold, but as I stated earlier in this thread, there is no resemblance beyond verbiage between mainstream Muslims and Radical Muslims. Two very different groups.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

When does extremism cancel out religion? I'm curious about how elastic a religion must be to include people who do what the religion disallows.

History is full of people from all religions doing what said religion disallows!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Let's say we started having terror attacks by Catholics, that killed thousands. All the attacks were made in the name of Catholicism and aimed at furthering some radical view of Catholicism. Let's also say the Pope and leadership of the church rather than denouncing them and helping stop them, attacked anyone that drew a correlation between the attacks and Catholics as Catholic phobes.

Tell me you would not draw some conclusions.

Catholicism got a big black eye because a select few in the leadership allowed child molesters to operate with out punishment or condemnation, Tell me why we can not hold Islam to the same standards or even dare point out that a problem is present.

Islam is a faith, not a person, but, let's suspend reality for a while and go with your train of thought, which I find fascinating. Tell us what Islam has done that it needs to fix.

History is full of people from all religions doing what said religion disallows!

Sure, but what I don't get is how the religion is to blame for that.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You certainly can have any religion preach peace while condoning evil.

Jim Jones and David Karesh come to mind as well known Christian examples, Bin Laden and company as Muslim examples.

How does Christianity condone Jones or Koresh? How does Islam condone Bin Laden and co?

Slavery and Manifest Destiny spring to mind as historical US evils, supported by Christian thinking at the time.

Yes, but, people condoned them, not the faiths.

The problem with your framing of the Radical Islam issue is that you excommunicate adherents and try to wipe away their own claims instead of recognizing that they don't represent mainstream Islam any more than the whacked out Christian examples I gave do represent mainstream Christians.

Radical Islam is an oxymoron. Islam is not radical. I recognize that they not only don't represent Islam, but are not part of it. It's non-Muslims who insist they have valid claims on the faith and the faith community, not Muslims who do.

There are those who lump all Muslims into the extremist mold, but as I stated earlier in this thread, there is no resemblance beyond verbiage between mainstream Muslims and Radical Muslims. Two very different groups.

That's why we don't relate to them or feel that we're responsible for them.