Stop Amnesty

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

And a good number of US Corporations are no longer 'based' here ...

Oh, they're here. They just book their profits elsewhere. Corporations are not so much people as they are viruses. They find a host, suck it dry and then move onto the next host. And so on, and so forth. Which is why it is a very bad idea to give corporations all that political influence. They don't care about a nation. They don't care about people. They care only about a bottom line. They'll walk over dead bodies if that's what it takes.

[Karee 4,190]

my bad, carry on. i thought you were crying about stuff regular folks have no control over.

Apology accepted.

[Karee 4,190]

Oh, they're here. They just book their profits elsewhere. Corporations are not so much people as they are viruses. They find a host, suck it dry and then move onto the next host. And so on, and so forth. Which is why it is a very bad idea to give corporations all that political influence. They don't care about a nation. They don't care about people. They care only about a bottom line. They'll walk over dead bodies if that's what it takes.

It's both sides. The Republicans want to help out their corporate masters. The Democrats want more registered Democrats. They're both sorry.

[decocker 7,198]

Apology accepted.

good. now back to affording people the right to emigrate..

[erynaught 43]

If someone in this case is a person willing to work hard and make something of him/herself, he/she should be given the chance. People were able to do this in the early times, when immigration from Europe was easy.

Agreed, a good work ethic and a skill set matched up with a need here, then they should be given the chance. Immigration in the 1800s and early 1900s is not the same as it is today. Back then there was a large need of manual labor as the US was industrializing. The dynamics of the economy have changed. I don't think you'll see the need for large numbers of manual labor in this country for awhile.

If the government needs money, I would think people who are legal are more likely to pay taxes than those who aren't. If the illegals are made legal, they are more likely to contribute.

To a point. A majority of illegal workers in this country work 'under the radar' so to speak. Substandard pay, no benefits, no employment overhead costs carried by the employer. These workers play an integral role in the economy and likely will not go away. Many of them if legal would leave for jobs that pay legal wages and provide benefits, creating openings for other illegal workers. Legalization of the work force is not likely to have a significant impact on the tax base.

[decocker 7,198]

It's both sides. The Republicans want to help out their corporate masters. The Democrats want more registered Democrats. They're both sorry.

what about people who aren't either r or d? inconsequential i'm assuming.

[Karee 4,190]

good. now back to affording people the right to emigrate..

I'm all for emigration. I plan to do it myself.

[erynaught 43]

good. now back to affording people the right to emigrate..

I thought we were discussing the right to immigrate to the US?

I suppose people have the right to emigrate from wherever they are. Well ... North Koreans don't have that right, Cubans don't, not sure about others.

[Karee 4,190]

what about people who aren't either r or d? inconsequential i'm assuming.

Unfortunately, that seems to be our choices these days. I wish there were more.

[decocker 7,198]

I thought we were discussing the right to immigrate to the US?

I suppose people have the right to emigrate from wherever they are. Well ... North Koreans don't have that right, Cubans don't, not sure about others.

yeah, i suppose it depends on where you're coming from.

I'm all for emigration. I plan to do it myself.

well duh. me too!

[erynaught 43]

Did your ancestors get a visa when they came to the U.S.?

My Mom is 1/2 Sioux. Still don't understand the math that makes me 1/3 Sioux, but that's what my pedigree papers say.

Not really sure we'd want the systems in place we had three hundred years ago.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It's both sides. The Republicans want to help out their corporate masters. The Democrats want more registered Democrats. They're both sorry.

That's just for show. They both serve the corporate masters.

[Karee 4,190]

That's just for show. They both serve the corporate masters.

Yep.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Ok. Maybe the first time they get caught. Second time, prison. They can work in prison factories to pay for their stay. Google Unicor.

Yeah, second offense should carry some prison time.

[duraaraa 203]

Unfortunately, that seems to be our choices these days. I wish there were more.

Well, those are the ones the big companies have invested in, so obviously, those are the only choices.

The thing is, if America continues like this, there very well eventually be a revolution. People aren't happy having right after right taken away, and they certainly aren't happy being spied on more and more. If the reason we are being spied on is to protect corporate interests, that's really, really screwed up. Perhaps the country is fair in principle, but when large corporations can give money to candidates that will have to pay them back, it means that the voices heard are the rich voices, and that leaves you with puppet 1 and puppet 2.

Edited April 20, 2013 by duraaraa