Stop Amnesty

[BaBamSam 239]

Money constraints are a personal problem. I would've liked for my wife to visit, but a tourist visa is pretty much out of the question for someone with an I-130 pending, or in most cases for that matter.

The "I have it worse than you" argument is getting a bit tiring. This situation isn't ideal for anyone. Personal constraints are just as valid as legal constraints when they restrict visits. It's not a competition to see who the system screwed the hardest.

Edited April 20, 2013 by BaBamSam

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It can, but it won't.

Right, it won't. Not as long as we have a government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations.

[BaBamSam 239]

Right, it won't. Not as long as we have a government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations.

Hey. Corporations are people too.

[decocker 7,198]

Hey. Corporations are people too.

money has capacity for compassion, why do you shun liberty?

[Karee 4,190]

The "I have it worse than you" argument is getting a bit tiring. This situation isn't ideal for anyone. Personal constraints are just as valid as legal constraints when they restrict visits. It's not a competition to see who the system screwed the hardest.

I'm not using that argument at all. All I'm saying is that it's easy for someone from a visa waiver country, or Canada who doesn't even have the visa waiver to say "no big deal." Then to chalk up their lack of family visits due to money problems. Not having the financial means to visit family is a personal problem. Not restricted in anyway by the government.

[erynaught 43]

doesn't mean they shouldn't have a path to citizenship. anyone here knows the paths to citizenship are very, very, limited.

How do you figure that? As an adult, a short time frame for living here (3 or 5yrs, isn't it?), a very basic test US history conducted in English, good morale character and willing to defend the Constitution of the United States. Seems very open to me.

Or, did you mean the paths to legal immigration?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Hey. Corporations are people too.

No, they're not. They're legal entities.

[decocker 7,198]

How do you figure that? As an adult, a short time frame for living here (3 or 5yrs, isn't it?), a very basic test US history conducted in English, good morale character and willing to defend the Constitution of the United States. Seems very open to me.

Or, did you mean the paths to legal immigration?

of course i meant legal. otherwise is a non issue in the current circumstances.

[BaBamSam 239]

I'm not using that argument at all. All I'm saying is that it's easy for someone from a visa waiver country, or Canada who doesn't even have the visa waiver to say "no big deal." Then to chalk up their lack of family visits due to money problems. Not having the financial means to visit family is a personal problem. Not restricted in anyway by the government.

On the flip side of that, imagine being in a situation where you have the VWP or are in Canada so you have no one telling you "no", but you can't do it because you don't have the money for it. Then you don't have something else to blame the hardship on - it's all on you and your shortcomings. Both cases are hard, that's all I'm saying. Don't discount someone else's experience.

[Karee 4,190]

On the flip side of that, imagine being in a situation where you have the VWP or are in Canada so you have no one telling you "no", but you can't do it because you don't have the money for it. Then you don't have something else to blame the hardship on - it's all on you and your shortcomings. Both cases are hard, that's all I'm saying. Don't discount someone else's experience.

I'm not discounting anyone's experience. It's apples and oranges. Simple as that.

[erynaught 43]

If they want to live in the U.S., why not let them do it legally?

I'm all for increased immigration and making it easier to immigrate, especially for people that can contribute to the growth of our economy and way of life.

My issue with illegal immigrants is that they were either willing to break the law to get here or break the law to stay here. When someone is willing to break a law I begin to wonder what other laws they are willing to break? Willing to lie about being here legally, what about lying on your taxes or willing to sell your vote on a jury? Willing to encourage their children to cheat in school so that they have a better chance of acceptance into a great school. Their moral character comes into question. With the large numbers of people who desire to come to this country, I think we can be selective in those with the best moral character and best opportunity to make a difference here.

No, they're not. They're legal entities.

And a good number of US Corporations are no longer 'based' here ...

[decocker 7,198]

I'm not discounting anyone's experience. It's apples and oranges. Simple as that.

dude. take it up with the government.

[BaBamSam 239]

I'm all for increased immigration and making it easier to immigrate, especially for people that can contribute to the growth of our economy and way of life.

My issue with illegal immigrants is that they were either willing to break the law to get here or break the law to stay here. When someone is willing to break a law I begin to wonder what other laws they are willing to break? Willing to lie about being here legally, what about lying on your taxes or willing to sell your vote on a jury? Willing to encourage their children to cheat in school so that they have a better chance of acceptance into a great school. Their moral character comes into question. With the large numbers of people who desire to come to this country, I think we can be selective in those with the best moral character and best opportunity to make a difference here.

And a good number of US Corporations are no longer 'based' here ...

When I was 15 I broke the law by staying outside after 10:00pm, our town's curfew for anyone under age 16. I also drank underage in college. How badly have I damaged my moral character? Next thing you know I'll be dealing drugs to the local children.

And did you go to school? Cheating was as rampant as the hormones in most I've seen or heard of.

[Karee 4,190]

dude. take it up with the government.

I thought that's what this thread is about.

[decocker 7,198]

I thought that's what this thread is about.

my bad, carry on. i thought you were crying about stuff regular folks have no control over.