Islam does not condemn homosexual men, says Emory University academic

[BaBamSam 239]

The basis of faith cannot be abandoned or modified for individual tastes. Individual and public opinion is irrelevant. People that do not practice their faith are not believers of the religion of which they claim affiliation.

The Qur'an and the Bible both condemn homosexuality. It is God who sets the standards of right and wrong, not man.

Both books condemn a lot of things that the modern world no longer condemns (for example, rabbits in the bible are Satanic creatures...not viewed that way now, obviously).

As the Bible is a book written by Man, I would say Man has had a lot to do with standards for right and wrong. Individual and public opinion has shaped and changed all religions throughout time. To suggest that religion and a belief in God can occur without regard to social context is, in my opinion, naive.

[Darnell 8,479]

The 'historical fact' is regional, country and ruler specific,

so IMO, the answer varies over time, depending on who's driving the bus.

With such a historical precedence, however - surely a cleric this century or last has issued a fatwa that is universally accepted across the board? Yes? No ?

[Sarah Elle-Même 660]

The basis of faith cannot be abandoned or modified for individual tastes. Individual and public opinion is irrelevant. People that do not practice their faith are not believers of the religion of which they claim affiliation.

The Qur'an and the Bible both condemn homosexuality. It is God who sets the standards of right and wrong, not man.

So by your logic I am not a Christian and my fiance is not a Muslim. Does that mean he can stop being frisked and probed at the airport?! Good thing I don't care what you think. We know who and what we are.

Clearly you have not been around for the past 3,000 years in which religious ideals have changed so drastically with our societal evolution and modernity. Since you're stuck in the BC era it's pretty pointless to continue this discussion, as some mental evolution is required of you. You're still not getting it that just like there are Christians and Jews who believe the Bible is more like anecdotes for how to live your life and be a good person, there are Muslims who believe that about the Qur'an as well, or at least believe in the necessity of being up with the times.

If God sets the standards, why is God so merciful? Anyone can seek "redemption" if they want it.

Edited April 17, 2013 by Sarah and Adnan

[decocker 7,198]

The basis of faith cannot be abandoned or modified for individual tastes. Individual and public opinion is irrelevant. People that do not practice their faith are not believers of the religion of which they claim affiliation.

you're stepping on god's toes. he doesn't like that. leave the judging to the judge.

Edited April 17, 2013 by val erie

[cybernco 1]

you're stepping on god's toes. he doesn't like that. leave the judging to the judge.

I have condemned no one to hell. Please don't confuse sharing the truth with making a Judgement of condemnation. If a person calls themselves a Christian but does not do what the Jesus says then they are not a following Christ.

[decocker 7,198]

I have condemned no one to hell. Please don't confuse sharing the truth with making a Judgement of condemnation. If a person calls themselves a Christian but does not do what the Jesus says then they are not a following Christ.

religious truth is subjective, but thanks for sharing.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

religious truth is subjective, but thanks for sharing.

Indeed. Otherwise, there would not be any denominations of any faith.

[cybernco 1]

Both books condemn a lot of things that the modern world no longer condemns (for example, rabbits in the bible are Satanic creatures...not viewed that way now, obviously).

As the Bible is a book written by Man, I would say Man has had a lot to do with standards for right and wrong. Individual and public opinion has shaped and changed all religions throughout time. To suggest that religion and a belief in God can occur without regard to social context is, in my opinion, naive.

You must read the Bible as with any book, in context. The verse that you are quoting about rabbits comes from the book of Leviticus, Chapter 11, verse 6. This was civil law that applied to the levitical priests. Yes, civil law changes as society changes. Please don't confuse civil law with eternal laws of God which are unchanging.

Belief in God can occur by merely looking at His creation, without involving social context at all.

Edited April 17, 2013 by cybernco

[Darnell 8,479]

has any popular cleric, Imam or Muallah issued any fatwa this century or last, covering homosexuality?

[cybernco 1]

religious truth is subjective, but thanks for sharing.

The statement that if a person calls themselves a Christian but does not do what the Jesus says then they are not a following Christ, is not subjective.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

I think it's ok to be gay as long as there is no sexual pleasure going on.

An argument for gay marriage if ever there was one.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Belief in God can occur by merely looking at His creation, without involving social context at all.

By the same token, belief in the laws of god - any god - should be left to each one's conscience, lest the books that must be read in context become vehicles through which to propagate the teachings of men as though they were divine in origin.

[cybernco 1]

So by your logic I am not a Christian and my fiance is not a Muslim. Does that mean he can stop being frisked and probed at the airport?! Good thing I don't care what you think. We know who and what we are.

Clearly you have not been around for the past 3,000 years in which religious ideals have changed so drastically with our societal evolution and modernity. Since you're stuck in the BC era it's pretty pointless to continue this discussion, as some mental evolution is required of you. You're still not getting it that just like there are Christians and Jews who believe the Bible is more like anecdotes for how to live your life and be a good person, there are Muslims who believe that about the Qur'an as well, or at least believe in the necessity of being up with the times.

If God sets the standards, why is God so merciful? Anyone can seek "redemption" if they want it.

Sarah you are not a Christian, you're a Unitarian Universalist.

[decocker 7,198]

The statement that if a person calls themselves a Christian but does not do what the Jesus says then they are not a following Christ, is not subjective.

sure it is. what did jesus say?

Sarah you are not a Christian, you're a Unitarian Universalist.

see? unitarian universalists can be christian..

[JohnR! 5,495]

sure it is. what did jesus say?

Not a word. It is all hearsay until someone can uncover the gospel of J!