Jamie Foxx's T-shirt causes an outrage

[Penny Lane 8,159]

GZ character is important and I bet it will play a huge part in the trial.

As for what I would have done. As a teenager confronted by an adult I probably would not have jumped them and tried to kill them.. But that's just me

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You don't see any way that TM might have been provoked by the following and the questioning?

GZ was armed. The kid wasn't. And I'm supposed to believe that GZ was the one who was afraid for his life?

[Teddy B 17,252]

what he wants for Justice is fairly clear in the TM case. as for Newtown.. The killer is dead. What does he want us to do.

Pretty much what I am thinking. On one hand there are 20 dead innocent school children, at the hands of a lunatic who committed suicide. On the other hand is one dead teenage boy at the hands of an over zealous, racist, neighborhood watch yahoo, with a trial pending. Any connection between the two is a stretch at best.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

How so? How do you think his parents feel? It's been over a year and their son's killer still walks the street as a free man, their son is called a thug, criminal, and constantly disrespected by police, media and his killer's family members. If Mr. Foxx had just his picture on the shirt, it would have been so much worse, but I think he was saying that kids being killed by guns is just wrong.

Tm is also the cause celeb for most of the Media and has mega stars calling for justice. GZ is awating trial on Murder charges. hardly free. He is awaiting his day in court like any other American. What do you want for GZ a Lynch Mob ?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I believe that a kid that has been suspended from school 3 different times, and has a history of drug use is much more likely to have instigated some situation than a straight A honor student. Does not mean it is an absolute but a indicator. his character absolutely makes a difference.

Well, what do you have to say about this then:

In 2005, Zimmerman was charged with assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest, after shoving an officer while a friend of Zimmerman's was being questioned about underage drinking. The charges were reduced, then dropped when Zimmerman entered a pre-trial diversion program. Also in 2005, Zimmerman's ex-fiance filed a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman requested a reciprocal restraining order. Both orders were granted. The incidents were raised by prosecutors at Zimmerman's initial bond hearing. The judge described the incidents as "run of the mill" and "somewhat mild" and rejected the prosecution's claim that the incidents showed that Zimmerman was violent or a threat to the community.

What does that say about Mr. Zimmerman character?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You don't see any way that TM might have been provoked by the following and the questioning?

GZ was armed. The kid wasn't. And I'm supposed to believe that GZ was the one who was afraid for his life?

Then why did GZ wait until he was getting beat to death to pull his gun ?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Did Trayvon Martin know that Zimmerman was armed before their altercation took place?

I'll be 100 to 1 he didn't, and if GZ would have let the cops do their job he wouldn't have to kill that kid.

Then why did GZ wait until he was getting beat to death to pull his gun ?

Why did GZ get out of his car to follow someone with a gun in the first place?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I'll be 100 to 1 he didn't, and if GZ would have let the cops do their job he wouldn't have to kill that kid.

Why did GZ get out of his car to follow someone with a gun in the first place?

You know what Marvin.. you win. we have beat TM and GZ to death in the past months.. We just re plowing old ground. Lets wait for the trial ( that many of you do not think he should have) and get back into it.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Then why did GZ wait until he was getting beat to death to pull his gun ?

I don't know why GZ did any of the things he did that night. His actions make absolutely no sense for any rational thinking person.

Guess he didn't realize that the "punk" he was following had some fight in him. Shouldn't have initiated the conflict by following him and questioning him for no reason.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

GZ was armed. The kid wasn't. And I'm supposed to believe that GZ was the one who was afraid for his life?

Yes, you are supposed to believe this. Because guys with guns are always good.

[Karee 4,190]

How so? How do you think his parents feel? It's been over a year and their son's killer still walks the street as a free man, their son is called a thug, criminal, and constantly disrespected by police, media and his killer's family members. If Mr. Foxx had just his picture on the shirt, it would have been so much worse, but I think he was saying that kids being killed by guns is just wrong.

Maybe that's what he was trying to say. Who knows? There is no doubt whatsoever what happened in Newtown. I can't think of one person anywhere saying Adam Lanza was acting in self defense. That Adam Lanza was being attacked by vicious 4th graders and he had to defend himself.

So sorry, Jamie Foxx is an a$$ for even making the comparison.

[Teddy B 17,252]

I'll be 100 to 1 he didn't, and if GZ would have let the cops do their job he wouldn't have to kill that kid.

Then it's probably not a true statement to say that Martin was in great fear that night being stalked by an armed man.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

You know what Marvin.. you win. we have beat TM and GZ to death in the past months.. We just re plowing old ground. Lets wait for the trial ( that many of you do not think he should have) and get back into it.

It's not about winning Run, it's about how the rules change for certain people. There should have been a trial a long time ago, it shouldn't have taken the POTUS and several folks to intervene for this to come to pass.

All I am saying is, folks say we should get rid of special programs, and that everyone should be treated equally under the law. I agree 100% but it's funny how much we actually know for a fact in this case: We know TM was walking home doing nothing but talking on his cell phone, we know that GZ called the cops based on his skin color and his clothing choice, we know that 911 told him not to follow him, we know that GZ ignored this and kept following him, and we know at some point that there was an altercation which resulted in GZ getting his nose broken, his head busted, and TM dead.

Now if it was proven that TM attacked GZ for no reason, you have to explain to me how this is possible with the facts above say that couldn't be the case.

Then it's probably not a true statement to say that Martin was in great fear that night being stalked by an armed man.

He was being chased by a grown man at night, otherwise he could have stopped and confronted GZ the second he knew he was being followed.

[GandD 5,966]

So sorry, Jamie Foxx is an a$$ for even making the comparison.

That's what this thread is about and I agree. Whatever your beliefs may be about any of the causes, these are completely different cases. One was a mass murder with no reasoning.

[Karee 4,190]

It's not about winning Run, it's about how the rules change for certain people. There should have been a trial a long time ago, it shouldn't have taken the POTUS and several folks to intervene for this to come to pass.

All I am saying is, folks say we should get rid of special programs, and that everyone should be treated equally under the law. I agree 100% but it's funny how much we actually know for a fact in this case: We know TM was walking home doing nothing but talking on his cell phone, we know that GZ called the cops based on his skin color and his clothing choice, we know that 911 told him not to follow him, we know that GZ ignored this and kept following him, and we know at some point that there was an altercation which resulted in GZ getting his nose broken, his head busted, and TM dead.

Now if it was proven that TM attacked GZ for no reason, you have to explain to me how this is possible with the facts above say that couldn't be the case.

He was being chased by a grown man at night, otherwise he could have stopped and confronted GZ the second he knew he was being followed.

All this has been hashed and re-hashed in numerous other threads. Nothing to do with Newtown.

[decocker 7,198]

I believe that a kid that has been suspended from school 3 different times, and has a history of drug use is much more likely to have instigated some situation than a straight A honor student. Does not mean it is an absolute but a indicator. his character absolutely makes a difference.

this isn't an issue of "instigating some situation" is it?

i was suspended in high school once for my bestfriend's little sister threatening another student off of school property. i had nothing to do with the threat and i wasn't even present during the threat making - but i dressed funny and people thought i worshiped satan so, i got the day off.

the other time i was suspended in highschool, it was for participating in a student walkout in protest over a well loved teacher's contract not being renewed (presumably because she was involved in a lesbian relationship). my highschool suspended almost the junior class class for that one and considering the numbers - we had to serve our suspension in school, on a saturday.

so you say tm was suspended three times and i take that as an indicator that he attended public high school.

and as far as smoking pot goes - that's pretty standard and does not pack the punch that "history of drug use" implies.

the only reason that being suspended three times and drug use comes into play with this murder - is due to the victim's race. and we can beat that dead horse all day, because such stereotypes are well past any semblance of relevance in stopping the unwarranted murder of our youth. it needs to stop.

All this has been hashed and re-hashed in numerous other threads. Nothing to do with Newtown.

even without a valid connection, why do people care what tshirt jamie foxx wore in attempt to make a statement at the mtv movie awards..?