Jamie Foxx's T-shirt causes an outrage

[decocker 7,198]

And the altercation was started by Trayvon.

says who?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

and let us not forget, how often gz had called police about 'suspicious' people in the month before this occurred..

also, 'they always get away' is very telling. gz had an ax to grind.

He definitely did. It didn't matter if TM wasn't doing anything. He was black and male and that was enough.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Perhaps GZ had made up his mind about the kid; you're probably right.

But pursued him relentlessly? He had lost the kid and was making plans on where to meet the cops. And the altercation was started by Trayvon.

I use that word because he was in the car following him at first. Once TM got out of his LOS, he could have given the cops the general direction he went in and just called it a day. But he got out of the car and started running after him. Not walking, but running. You can hear his breathing was labored and that's how the operator knew he was following him.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

And then he talks to the police about where to meet. I don't see where he says he's going to keep looking for Trayvon.

Why wouldn't he want to meet at a fixed location, unless he planned to keep looking for TM. He already said it, earlier in the the transcript, "These a##holes always get away!" There was no way GZ was going to let this "c##n" get away.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Nobody denies that GZ got out of his truck and was following TM.

Nobody but you. Or are you Nobody?

When the police told GZ that they didn't need him to follow TM, his response was "okay" He didn't ignore what the police said, he followed their instructions.

Short term memory not working?

[B_J 2,752]

I use that word because he was in the car following him at first. Once TM got out of his LOS, he could have given the cops the general direction he went in and just called it a day. But he got out of the car and started running after him. Not walking, but running. You can hear his breathing was labored and that's how the operator knew he was following him.

I agree with everything you said. In my opinion, this was all bad judgement by both of them and it ended up with one of them dead. I remember when I first heard of this; I immediately thought of Amadou Diallo - somebody killed and they were armed with skittles instead of a wallet.

But in the end, if there had been no confrontation, there would be no death. Neither one had done anything wrong by being in the neighborhood. GZ did nothing wrong by watching the neighborhood or by getting out of his car. TM did nothing wrong either. Even by verbally confronting GZ he did nothing wrong. But the physical altercation changes everything and it appears to be caused by Trayvon.

Why wouldn't he want to meet at a fixed location, unless he planned to keep looking for TM. He already said it, earlier in the the transcript, "These a##holes always get away!" There was no way GZ was going to let this "c##n" get away.

I guess I missed that part of the transcript. So, even though he said okay to the police and was making plans on where to meet - he was clearly just going to keep looking. Okay.

Edited April 17, 2013 by B_J

[Karee 4,190]

He was black and male and that was enough.

This thread is getting all the way crazy. I bet Zimmerman had something do with the thing in Boston as well.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I agree with everything you said. In my opinion, this was all bad judgement by both of them and it ended up with one of them dead. I remember when I first heard of this; I immediately thought of Amadou Diallo - somebody killed and they were armed with skittles instead of a wallet.

But in the end, if there had been no confrontation, there would be no death. Neither one had done anything wrong by being in the neighborhood. GZ did nothing wrong by watching the neighborhood or by getting out of his car. TM did nothing wrong either. Even by verbally confronting GZ he did nothing wrong. But the physical altercation changes everything and it appears to be caused by Trayvon.

I guess I missed that part of the transcript.

But here is my question. Why does everyone assume that TM is the one who started the altercation? You have a kid walking home from the store minding his own business, talking on the phone to his girlfriend. GZ is coming home from Target, I agree both are oblivious to each other. Here is where that changes, GZ sees TM and calls the cops immediately, TM is still walking home doing nothing wrong. TM notices this and starts to walk faster, trying to lose GZ, because at this point GZ has yet to identify himself. He clearly had a mad on for this kid, yet he is the one painted as the victim. He then gets out of his car, with his gun and starts to run after him, for about a minute or two. Yet folks still believe that TM started this altercation. Even with the cops coming, he still chose to keep looking for Tm, at this point, what was the purpose? The cops were already on the way, there was no way to defuse it since he spent 4 minutes chasing him in a vehice and on foot, and GZ's mind was already made up with comments like they always get away. So why is TM the aggressor? Because he hit GZ? We have no idea what GZ said to TM or did. But it's amazing that folks are more than willing to give GZ the benefit of the doubt, even though he did everything in his power to paint this kid as a criminal and force a confrontation out of him, but we can't give one to the kid running away from the situation, and maybe got tired of running and decided to stand his ground.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

This thread is getting all the way crazy.

What's crazy about it? Why else would Zimmerman feel the need to call the cops? He wasn't doing anything but walking. No reports, not even Zimmerman's, suggest otherwise. What made him "suspicious", do you think?

The fact that he was black in a neighborhood that was having issues with crime seems to have been enough.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

This thread is getting all the way crazy. I bet Zimmerman had something do with the thing in Boston as well.

If TM was white, this wouldn't have gone down like this at all.

[decocker 7,198]

This thread is getting all the way crazy. I bet Zimmerman had something do with the thing in Boston as well.

well you know, they always get away...

[Karee 4,190]

If TM was white, this wouldn't have gone down like this at all.

That I agree with 100%. It wouldn't even be on TV.

Edited April 17, 2013 by Karee

[Penny Lane 8,159]

well you know, they always get away...

I'm sure he meant something else by that.

That I agree with 100%.

Then why is it "crazy" when I suggest that TM being black is what caused this to even be an issue?

Ah, you edited. You seem to think if TM was white, nobody would care. Got it.

Edited April 17, 2013 by Evylin

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

That I agree with 100%. It wouldn't even be on TV.

If TM was white, first of all GZ wouldn't have called the cops, he would have let that kid go about his merry way. But let's say for argument's sake it happened the same way, and let's make GZ a black man, this is how it would go down:

GZ would be in jail right now

If TM had issues with the suspensions and weed, he would have been portrayed as "trouble youth" but no hit to his credibility

But I agree, it wouldn't have made the news in the same way. Why? Because GZ would have been locked up off the bat.

Edited April 17, 2013 by Su and Marvin

[Karee 4,190]

If TM was white, first of all GZ wouldn't have called the cops, he would have let that kid go about his merry way. But let's say for argument's sake it happened the same way, and let's make GZ a black man, this is how it would go down:

GZ would be in jail right now

If TM had issues with the suspensions and weed, he would have been portrayed as "trouble youth" but no hit to his credibility

But I agree, it wouldn't have made the news in the same way. Why? Because GZ would have been locked up off the bat.

How do you know all these things? I guess I didn't get the white guy memo that says we're not supposed to call the cops on other white guys we think are suspicious. Maybe since I married an Asian, they took me off the white guy mailing list.