Jamie Foxx's T-shirt causes an outrage

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

1) It's a movie.

2) You're missing the point.

The point being that the only thing that got the man off in this movie is the fact that the attorney managed to confront the jury with their own prejudices. Prejudices which would cause those same people to not judge harshly those young men that raped and brutalized and almost killed a little girl only because that little girl happened to be black. And that is exactly what we're looking at here. The "take it easy on Zimmerman because the victim was just a black punk" attitude.

That was my point

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

wow. that is not at all what i think - or what happened.

if you're going to come at me with vague bs like 'if you read most accounts' do me a favor and give me links. pretty sure you and i don't get our information from the same sources..

Your words--"in my opinion, tm could have sat on top of gz and beat gz's face in till the cops got there and been perfectly justified. gz had no business getting out of his car - period.""""

So because GZ got out of his vehicle TM had the right to beat his face in until the cops got there. Once again your words not mine. You do not have the rights to put your hands on someone just because they got out of a vehicle.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

So because GZ got out of his vehicle TM had the right to beat his face in until the cops got there. Once again your words not mine. You do not have the rights to put your hands on someone just because they got out of a vehicle.

Do you have the right to chase someone and demand to know where they are going and who they are and expect the person not to react somehow? How did TM know what GZ's intentions were? According to reports, he never attempted to identify himself or his purpose.

At what point does GZ get to take any blame for initiating the conflict?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

To answer your questions:

TM was aware he was being followed, if you check my last post with the link it shows he was on the phone with someone and told them he was being followed, hence the reason he put his hoodie on. He was walking fast trying to get away from him, and then he started to run before GZ caught up to him, as per the phone conversation.

Now let's say that isn't true, let's say that TM got tired of walking/running and decided to stand his ground. He felt threatened and thought that fighting was the only way out. Why is that such a problem for him, yet for GZ who followed him in the first place, it isn't.

True Story- Last night as i was going in Kroger a young black male with dreads and baggy pants, who had been sitting in another car, go out and started following very closely behind me. Within feet. As I crossed to the other side of the parking aisle he did also. I was very uncomfortable. I was on heightened alert. he was following way to close . When i made sharp break to go to great clips he veered my way then turned and went in the store.

I looked in the window of great clips and it was crowded. I walked back to the car. He did not go in the store but turned and came back our way. I got in the car, and he walked by and got in his.

I reason to believe I was being followed. I was scared. DId I have a right to turn and start beating the ####### out of him. Instead i calmly avoided him and went on about my business. According to all of you, since i was being followed and felt threatened I had a right to assault him.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

True Story- Last night as i was going in Kroger a young black male with dreads and baggy pants, who had been sitting in another car, go out and started following very closely behind me. Within feet. As I crossed to the other side of the parking aisle he did also. I was very uncomfortable. I was on heightened alert. he was following way to close . When i made sharp break to go to great clips he veered my way then turned and went in the store.

I looked in the window of great clips and it was crowded. I walked back to the car. He did not go in the store but turned and came back our way. I got in the car, and he walked by and got in his.

I reason to believe I was being followed. I was scared. DId I have a right to turn and start beating the ####### out of him. Instead i calmly avoided him and went on about my business. According to all of you, since i was being followed and felt threatened I had a right to assault him.

Was he yelling at you, demanding to know who you were and what you were doing? Were you all alone or were there other people around? Did you start running, and when you did, did he follow?

Seems you were in a fairly crowded shopping center of some kind. A little different than a one on one confrontation on a quiet street with no witnesses.

Edited April 17, 2013 by Evylin

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Do you have the right to chase someone and demand to know where they are going and who they are and expect the person not to react somehow? How did TM know what GZ's intentions were? According to reports, he never attempted to identify himself or his purpose.

At what point does GZ get to take any blame for initiating the conflict?

In the reports I read TM disappeared and GZ stopped to see where he went. TM approached from behind and ambushed him. I have not read anywhere that they spoke before the altercation.

[GandD 5,966]

At what point does GZ get to take any blame for initiating the conflict?

Shouldn't escalation count for something? Its ok to fight a guy for yelling at you but not ok to shoot a guy that's fighting you? I know the gun part is death so that's the last level, so lets say no one had a gun. If GZ did everything in line with what we know happened and instead of having a gun, TM just beat the ####### out of him. Is that ok? Wouldn't that be beyond what was necessitated?

[decocker 7,198]

Your words--"in my opinion, tm could have sat on top of gz and beat gz's face in till the cops got there and been perfectly justified. gz had no business getting out of his car - period.""""

So because GZ got out of his vehicle TM had the right to beat his face in until the cops got there. Once again your words not mine. You do not have the rights to put your hands on someone just because they got out of a vehicle.

yeah, put that quote into context. do you really think that i believe any person getting out of a car is asking for a beat down? i got out of my car like, four times already today - a miracle i'm still breathing. you're taking a simpleton stance. why am i not surprised.

there is the issue of trayvon's girlfriend being on the phone with him..yet you bring up "most accounts" which state that gz was turning back to his truck (trying to flee the peril he created). again, any links to these, the majority of accounts?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Was he yelling at you, demanding to know who you were and what you were doing? Were you all alone or were there other people around? Did you start running, and when you did, did he follow?

Seems you were in a fairly crowded shopping center of some kind. A little different than a one on one confrontation on a quiet street with no witnesses.

GZ was yelling at TM, TM tried to run and GZ chased him.. Really.... Don't think so

[decocker 7,198]

Shouldn't escalation count for something? Its ok to fight a guy for yelling at you but not ok to shoot a guy that's fighting you? I know the gun part is death so that's the last level, so lets say no one had a gun. If GZ did everything in line with what we know happened and instead of having a gun, TM just beat the ####### out of him. Is that ok? Wouldn't that be beyond what was necessitated?

guess gz should have listened to the police and stayed in his truck. escalation certainly counts.

[GandD 5,966]

guess gz should have listened to the police and stayed in his truck. escalation certainly counts.

He should have. I disagree that he "got what he deserved" by getting out and yelling at TM in our theoretical situation.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Shouldn't escalation count for something? Its ok to fight a guy for yelling at you but not ok to shoot a guy that's fighting you? I know the gun part is death so that's the last level, so lets say no one had a gun. If GZ did everything in line with what we know happened and instead of having a gun, TM just beat the ####### out of him. Is that ok? Wouldn't that be beyond what was necessitated?

If you create a conflict and it escalates, I can't feel bad for you. You created the situation with your wrongful actions. If someone was following me at night and demanding answers out of me, I would feel uncomfortable. I probably couldn't take down anyone physically, so I would run.

Imagine I COULD take the person down. If I run, and the guy starts chasing me, am I only allowed to keep running or can I attempt to take care of the situation myself? Keep in mind I do not know who this person is or why they're questioning me and why they're chasing me. What are my options? I am feeling threatened, unarmed, and there's nobody around to get me out of this situation. So it's all up to me.

What do I get to do that's acceptable?

GZ was yelling at TM, TM tried to run and GZ chased him.. Really.... Don't think so

Reports say he did question TM and TM continued to walk. Maybe not run, but continued to walk AWAY from the situation. GZ admitted to following him. Until he lost him.

If police tell me not to do something and I do it anyway, who is to blame when the situation backfires and I end up getting in trouble?

Edited April 17, 2013 by Evylin

[decocker 7,198]

He should have. I disagree that he "got what he deserved" by getting out and yelling at TM in our theoretical situation.

oh i do not at all think gz got what he deserved. no where close.

if you're referring to the bump on gz's head or the scratch on his nose? boohoo. dude is still breathing.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

yeah, put that quote into context. do you really think that i believe any person getting out of a car is asking for a beat down? i got out of my car like, four times already today - a miracle i'm still breathing. you're taking a simpleton stance. why am i not surprised.

there is the issue of trayvon's girlfriend being on the phone with him..yet you bring up "most accounts" which state that gz was turning back to his truck (trying to flee the peril he created). again, any links to these, the majority of accounts?

The girlfriend better known as witness 8.. has already been charged with perjury.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

True Story- Last night as i was going in Kroger a young black male with dreads and baggy pants, who had been sitting in another car, go out and started following very closely behind me. Within feet. As I crossed to the other side of the parking aisle he did also. I was very uncomfortable. I was on heightened alert. he was following way to close . When i made sharp break to go to great clips he veered my way then turned and went in the store.

I looked in the window of great clips and it was crowded. I walked back to the car. He did not go in the store but turned and came back our way. I got in the car, and he walked by and got in his.

I reason to believe I was being followed. I was scared. DId I have a right to turn and start beating the ####### out of him. Instead i calmly avoided him and went on about my business. According to all of you, since i was being followed and felt threatened I had a right to assault him.

Here's some questions. How long did he follow you? I'd say maybe 10 to 15 seconds right? He wasn't in a vehicle following you while you walked to your house, nor did he get out of the vehicle and chase you on foot. Now if GZ had done what you described, my money would be on TM just going about his business. You've taken out the basic premises in that situation: he followed him for over 4 minutes, half of that was in the car, the other half is on foot.