Palestinian-American boy, 14, locked up in Israeli military jail

[Boiler 46,158]

This is a video from occupied Hebron in the West Bank, where you see a group of Israeli children (these are children of illegal Israeli settlers who have seized areas of the city) harassing a group of Palestinian children who are trying to walk to their school.

No person is illegal.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

No person is illegal.

Their personhood is not what is illegal, Boiler; it is their settlements in occupied foreign territory which are illegal. Hence they are "illegal settlements" and "illegal settlers."

I can't what.

Were you not the halfwit that started by commenting on my original post? You're really clueless and this is really scary. I bet you can vote and you pilot a motorcar.

When did it becoem the Isreali Armys job to protect Palestenians?

The same lame brain ideology can then be used that USCIS Border Agents should stop the local US militia at the Arizona/New Mexico borders.

Is it morally wrong for the Israeli Army to stand by and watch alleged attrocities being commited? Perhaps, but that is not there primary role.

Wwe can have a dialogue as long as you don't try to force me to only see your point of view by attemtping thinkly veiled ridicule.

Your abusive posts do not even merit a response, Gowan.

[Boiler 46,158]

You said their Parents were illegal, you have used the phrase many times.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

The duties of the occupying power are spelled out primarily in the 1907 Hague Regulations (arts 42-56) and the Fourth Geneva Convention (GC IV, art. 27-34 and 47-78), as well as in certain provisions of Additional Protocol I and customary international humanitarian law.

Agreements concluded between the occupying power and the local authorities cannot deprive the population of occupied territory of the protection afforded by international humanitarian law (GC IV, art. 47) and protected persons themselves can in no circumstances renounce their rights (GC IV, art. 8).

The main rules of the law applicable in case of occupation state that:

• The occupant does not acquire sovereignty over the territory.

• Occupation is only a temporary situation, and the rights of the occupant are limited to the extent of that period.

• The occupying power must respect the laws in force in the occupied territory, unless they constitute a threat to its security or an obstacle to the application of the international law of occupation.

• The occupying power must take measures to restore and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety.

• To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the occupying power must ensure sufficient hygiene and public health standards, as well as the provision of food and medical care to the population under occupation.

• The population in occupied territory cannot be forced to enlist in the occupier's armed forces.

• Collective or individual forcible transfers of population from and within the occupied territory are prohibited.

• Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited.

• Collective punishment is prohibited.

• The taking of hostages is prohibited.

• Reprisals against protected persons or their property are prohibited.

• The confiscation of private property by the occupant is prohibited.

• The destruction or seizure of enemy property is prohibited, unless absolutely required by military necessity during the conduct of hostilities.

• Cultural property must be respected.

• People accused of criminal offences shall be provided with proceedings respecting internationally recognized judicial guarantees (for example, they must be informed of the reason for their arrest, charg ed with a specific offence and given a fair trial as quickly as possible).

• Personnel of the International Red Cross/Red Crescent Movement must be allowed to carry out their humanitarian activities. The ICRC, in particular, must be given access to all protected persons, wherever they are, whether or not they are deprived of their liberty.

http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/634kfc.htm

You said their Parents were illegal, you have used the phrase many times.

Please quote me where I have ever used such a phrase as "illegal parent." Link, please.

Edited June 19, 2013 by Falastin_Qalbi

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Their personhood is not what is illegal, Boiler; it is their settlements in occupied foreign territory which are illegal. Hence they are "illegal settlements" and "illegal settlers."

Your abusive posts do not even merit a response, Gowan.

Yet you responded.

By the way, it's Gowon, not Gowan.

You're not doing a good job of solliciting symphaty to your cause.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Yet you responded.

By the way, it's Gowon, not Gowan.

You're not doing a good job of solliciting symphaty to your cause.

[Ban Hammer 13,582]

i think both of you have been here long enough to know what happens when a thread devolves into bickering....

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

i think both of you have been here long enough to know what happens when a thread devolves into bickering....

If you were addressing me, in fact I haven't "bickered" with him at all.

bick·er

/ˈbikər/

Verb

1. Argue about petty and trivial matters: "whenever the phone rings, they bicker over who must answer it".
2. (of water) Flow or fall with a gentle repetitive noise; patter: "the rain did beat and bicker".

[Ban Hammer 13,582]

If you were addressing me, in fact I haven't "bickered" with him at all.

the pic with the elderly lady is just my imagination then.

now stop or the thread gets locked.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

You said their Parents were illegal, you have used the phrase many times.

So you still haven't been able to come up with a link to this supposed quote, even though you claim I've made it "many times."

Retraction accepted.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Mohammad S, from the northern West Bank town of Tulkarem, was 16 when he was arrested, according to the report. It was 2:30am when Israeli soldiers dragged him out of bed. He was blindfolded and verbally abused and taken to an unknown destination, where he says he was forced to lay down in the cold for an hour. He was later taken to an interrogation centre near Nablus at around 11am, and only then was he allowed to drink some water and use the bathroom, after he underwent a strip search. Tied and blindfolded still, he was then taken to Al Jalameh, near Haifa in Israel. There he was taken to Cell 36, where he was forced to spend his first night sleeping on the floor because there was no mattress or blanket.

Mohammad says he spent 17 days in solitary confinement in Cell 36 and Cell 37, interrupted only by interrogations. Mohammad was reportedly interrogated for two to three hours every day, while sitting on a low seat with his hands tied to the chair.

Children have taken part in demonstrations aganist

the treatment of those held in prison [AFP]

The most crucial hours

"The first 48 hours after a child is taken are the most important because that's when the most abuse happens," DCI's lawyer Gerard Horton said. Children taken from their homes in the night are blindfolded and bound and made to lie face down or up on the floors of military vehicles, according to the centre's report.

Very rarely are parents told where their child is being taken, and, unlike Israeli children from within either Israel or the settlements in the occupied West Bank, Palestinian minors are reportedly not allowed to have a parent present before or during initial interrogation, and generally do not see a lawyer until after their interrogation is over.

Specifically, Israeli children have access to a lawyer within 48 hours and those under the age of 14 cannot be imprisoned. Palestinian children, however, can be jailed even if they are as young as 12 and, like adults, can be held in jail without having formal charges against them for up to 188 days.

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Nightmares

Because children are often taken late at night, they are driven to the nearest settlement to wait until Israeli police interrogators open up shop in the morning. This means children are sometimes placed out in the cold or rain for many hours. Requests for water or using the bathroom are most often denied, and children are taken straight to interrogation after a night of little sleep.

That's what Ahmad F said happened to him. A 15-year-old from 'Iraq Burin village, just outside Nablus, he was arrested in July 2011. He was taken to the nearby Huwwara interrogation centre, where he was left outside from 5am until 3pm. At one point, soldiers brought a dog. "They brought the dog's food and put it on my head," Ahmad told DCI. "Then they put another piece of bread on my trousers near my genitals, so I tried to move away but [the dog] started barking. I was terrified."

"During interrogation, many children reported being facing with slurs and threatened with physical violence. In a small number of cases, interrogators have reportedly threatened minors with rape."

During interrogation, many children reported being facing with slurs and threatened with physical violence. In a small number of cases, interrogators have reportedly threatened minors with rape.

In 29 per cent of cases studied by DCI, Arabic-speaking children were either shown or given documentation written in Hebrew to sign. An Israeli spokesperson denied this to Al Jazeera, saying "the norm is that interrogations in Arabic should be either recorded or written in Arabic". Israeli officials did say, however, they had identified 13 cases from the report where children had signed a confession written in Hebrew. Yet the spokesperson maintained that video recordings of those interrogations had been available, should the lawyers acting for the children doubt the accuracy of the written Hebrew statements.

After children sign a "confession", they are brought before an Israeli military court. Since 2009, an Israeli spokesperson said, children have faced juvenile military courts. Most often, that's the first time the minor will see their lawyer. The confession is generally the primary evidence against the child, say DCI officials. Other evidence will often consist of a statement by an interrogator, and sometimes a soldier.

Because so few are granted bail, children face a legal dilemma: they can ask the lawyer to challenge the system - and by doing so potentially wait, locked up, for four to six months - or plead guilty and get a two or three month prison sentence for a "first offence".

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/08/20128910267627456.html

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

The Guardian has also seen rare audiovisual recordings of the interrogations of two boys, aged 14 and 15, from the village of Nabi Saleh, the scene of weekly protests against nearby settlers. Both are visibly exhausted after being arrested in the middle of the night. Their interrogations, which begin at about 9.30am, last four and five hours.

Neither is told of their legal right to remain silent, and both are repeatedly asked leading questions, including whether named people have incited them to throw stones. At one point, as one boy rests his head on the table, the interrogator flicks at him, shouting: "Lift your head, you." During the other boy's interrogation, one questioner repeatedly slams a clenched fist into his own palm in a threatening gesture. The boy breaks down in tears, saying he was due to take an exam at school that morning. "They're going to fail me, I'm going to lose the year," he sobs.

In neither case was a lawyer present during their interrogation.

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Nearly all the cases documented by DCI ended in a guilty plea and about three-quarters of the convicted minors were transferred to prisons inside Israel. This contravenes article 76 of the fourth Geneva convention, which requires children and adults in occupied territories to be detained within the territory.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/22/palestinian-children-detained-jail-israel

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Is DCI the DCI Group?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Is DCI the DCI Group?

Defence For Children International

Defence for Children International is an independent non-governmental organisation that has been promoting and protecting children’s rights on a global, regional, national and local level for 30 years.

Defence for Children International is represented through its national sections and associated members in 47* countries worldwide, and an International Secretariat based in Geneva, Switzerland.

http://www.defenceforchildren.org/

[Boiler 46,158]

i think both of you have been here long enough to know what happens when a thread devolves into bickering....

Devolves?

It started that way.