Hotel Chain locks out CNN

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Kaydee did you actually watch the CNN report before you commented on it?

No I did not. The article describes its content quite clearly; an enemy camera man (terrorist) filming the sniper killing a U.S. serviceman.

I'll ask you these questions.

Who/whom is the targeted audience of a filmed killing of a U.S. seviceman? Is this an Al Quada training film or one meant to migrate into the U.S. evening news? How did CNN get it? Why would they show it?

How did they get it? Probably by the usual way that these things are sent in – via the postal mail. No big conspiracy there. Things get sent in all the time - anonymously I might add.

As for why they would show it – that’s a rather more difficult question and really require having seen the report to be able to speak with any authority on it. If come across a transcript – we can discuss.

Other than that you are merely speculating, based on subject assumptions about how the news media operates.

Care to tell me where I'm speculating "based on subject assumptions about how the news media operates"?

I'm not even sure what that means.

You assume that the media has an overwhelmingly anti-government liberal bias – and are offering a 3rd hand story as an example to validate it. The story you posted isn’t even about the CNN report, it’s about a hotel refusing to air the channel because of it.

You’re speculating because you haven’t viewed the report but are rendering an opinion on it anyway. I’m saying if you want to talk about it with any authority – at least have direct familiarity with the original material. CNN posts their reports online I believe…

It seems a little pointless to have a discussion about something that noone has actually seen.

The "story", and its airing on CNN, was discussed at length last night on FOX NEWS channel and of course was criticized as going way over the line in terms of its "newsworthiness". Note that most reputable news organizations don’t air videos of beheadings. This video is apparently of the same gruesomeness and has the same intent, propaganda to be used in the media.

Pointless? The fact is that I personally don't have to be an eyewitness to any incident to form an opinion about the incident. Neither do you, nor do any of us.

For example, you've never been to the middle east (an assumption on my part) but you have an endless repertoire of (pointless) opinions about its people and politics, don't you? You base your opinions on what you read, I suppose.......

My perception of the media coverage of the war is based on my personal travels to the middle east, what I've seen there verses what I subsequently read and hear in the media. On average the stories are mostly portrayed negative and it's clear that there's an anti-war, anti-Bush bias.

If you noticed I didn’t render on an opinion on the report at all… because I haven’t seen it. I’m simply saying that if you want to have an honest discussion about the quality of news reporting it helps to actually have seen the offending piece first hand.

Otherwise what are you basing your opinion on? In fact, you’ve already answered that question yourself – you’re taking the word of other people (specifically, another news organization) – and not using your own critical thought process to examine the merit (or lack thereof) of the evidence.

You’re free to your opinion – but to not actually substantiate it by directly referencing the source you are criticizing…. I mean, what exactly are you trying to achieve here?

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I'm no tourist. I have a direct relationship with our military forces.

So you'll have no problem telling us what cities and countries you have been to, along with dates and what the situation on the ground is to contradict anyone who doesn't hold your views who gets their information from the media?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Kaydee did you actually watch the CNN report before you commented on it?

No I did not. The article describes its content quite clearly; an enemy camera man (terrorist) filming the sniper killing a U.S. serviceman.

I'll ask you these questions.

Who/whom is the targeted audience of a filmed killing of a U.S. seviceman? Is this an Al Quada training film or one meant to migrate into the U.S. evening news? How did CNN get it? Why would they show it?

How did they get it? Probably by the usual way that these things are sent in – via the postal mail. No big conspiracy there. Things get sent in all the time - anonymously I might add.

As for why they would show it – that’s a rather more difficult question and really require having seen the report to be able to speak with any authority on it. If come across a transcript – we can discuss.

Other than that you are merely speculating, based on subject assumptions about how the news media operates.

Care to tell me where I'm speculating "based on subject assumptions about how the news media operates"?

I'm not even sure what that means.

You assume that the media has an overwhelmingly anti-government liberal bias – and are offering a 3rd hand story as an example to validate it. The story you posted isn’t even about the CNN report, it’s about a hotel refusing to air the channel because of it.

You’re speculating because you haven’t viewed the report but are rendering an opinion on it anyway. I’m saying if you want to talk about it with any authority – at least have direct familiarity with the original material. CNN posts their reports online I believe…

It seems a little pointless to have a discussion about something that noone has actually seen.

The "story", and its airing on CNN, was discussed at length last night on FOX NEWS channel and of course was criticized as going way over the line in terms of its "newsworthiness". Note that most reputable news organizations don’t air videos of beheadings. This video is apparently of the same gruesomeness and has the same intent, propaganda to be used in the media.

Pointless? The fact is that I personally don't have to be an eyewitness to any incident to form an opinion about the incident. Neither do you, nor do any of us.

For example, you've never been to the middle east (an assumption on my part) but you have an endless repertoire of (pointless) opinions about its people and politics, don't you? You base your opinions on what you read, I suppose.......

My perception of the media coverage of the war is based on my personal travels to the middle east, what I've seen there verses what I subsequently read and hear in the media. On average the stories are mostly portrayed negative and it's clear that there's an anti-war, anti-Bush bias.

If you noticed I didn’t render on an opinion on the report at all… because I haven’t seen it. I’m simply saying that if you want to have an honest discussion about the quality of news reporting it helps to actually have seen the offending piece first hand.

Otherwise what are you basing your opinion on? In fact, you’ve already answered that question yourself – you’re taking the word of other people (specifically, another news organization) – and not using your own critical thought process to examine the merit (or lack thereof) of the evidence.

You’re free to your opinion – but to not actually substantiate it by directly referencing the source you are criticizing…. I mean, what exactly are you trying to achieve here?

[Alex+R 0]

I'm no tourist. I have a direct relationship with our military forces.

So you'll have no problem telling us what cities and countries you have been to, along with dates and what the situation on the ground is to contradict anyone who doesn't hold your views who gets their information from the media?

The people demand it!

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

I'm no tourist. I have a direct relationship with our military forces.

So you'll have no problem telling us what cities and countries you have been to, along with dates and what the situation on the ground is to contradict anyone who doesn't hold your views who gets their information from the media?

some of us prefer to be professional military personnel, rather than armchair generals.

[kaydee457 13]

I'm no tourist. I have a direct relationship with our military forces.

So you'll have no problem telling us what cities and countries you have been to, along with dates and what the situation on the ground is to contradict anyone who doesn't hold your views who gets their information from the media?

Yes I do have a problem with that. I've said too much already.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I thought you would. How convenient

Some do prefer to be in the military -- my little brother is currently deployed in Iraq -- he emails when he can. I think the information I get from him will trump anything you tell me or anything I read in the media.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I'm no tourist. I have a direct relationship with our military forces.

So you'll have no problem telling us what cities and countries you have been to, along with dates and what the situation on the ground is to contradict anyone who doesn't hold your views who gets their information from the media?

some of us prefer to be professional military personnel, rather than armchair generals.

Was it military generals that designed our foreign policy with Iraq? What happened to Colin Powell? ...as if military expertise has mattered one iota to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney and the rest of the chickenhawks who engineered this debacle.

[PurrSuede 0]

This is a fine example of left liberal media exaggerating the news from Iraq. This tape was obviously targeting a specific audiance; the fine folks here in the U.S.A. It can't be any clearer that the enemy is manipulating the U.S. press and thereby the people in this country via propaganda and it's clearly working by all accounts given the results of the last election.

You mean the voting citizens of America rejecting the kind of tripe you love to fantasize about??

:::: yawn ::::

What a maroon!

[kaydee457 13]

Kaydee did you actually watch the CNN report before you commented on it?

No I did not. The article describes its content quite clearly; an enemy camera man (terrorist) filming the sniper killing a U.S. serviceman.

I'll ask you these questions.

Who/whom is the targeted audience of a filmed killing of a U.S. seviceman? Is this an Al Quada training film or one meant to migrate into the U.S. evening news? How did CNN get it? Why would they show it?

How did they get it? Probably by the usual way that these things are sent in – via the postal mail. No big conspiracy there. Things get sent in all the time - anonymously I might add.

As for why they would show it – that’s a rather more difficult question and really require having seen the report to be able to speak with any authority on it. If come across a transcript – we can discuss.

Other than that you are merely speculating, based on subject assumptions about how the news media operates.

Care to tell me where I'm speculating "based on subject assumptions about how the news media operates"?

I'm not even sure what that means.

You assume that the media has an overwhelmingly anti-government liberal bias – and are offering a 3rd hand story as an example to validate it. The story you posted isn’t even about the CNN report, it’s about a hotel refusing to air the channel because of it.

You’re speculating because you haven’t viewed the report but are rendering an opinion on it anyway. I’m saying if you want to talk about it with any authority – at least have direct familiarity with the original material. CNN posts their reports online I believe…

It seems a little pointless to have a discussion about something that noone has actually seen.

The "story", and its airing on CNN, was discussed at length last night on FOX NEWS channel and of course was criticized as going way over the line in terms of its "newsworthiness". Note that most reputable news organizations don’t air videos of beheadings. This video is apparently of the same gruesomeness and has the same intent, propaganda to be used in the media.

Pointless? The fact is that I personally don't have to be an eyewitness to any incident to form an opinion about the incident. Neither do you, nor do any of us.

For example, you've never been to the middle east (an assumption on my part) but you have an endless repertoire of (pointless) opinions about its people and politics, don't you? You base your opinions on what you read, I suppose.......

My perception of the media coverage of the war is based on my personal travels to the middle east, what I've seen there verses what I subsequently read and hear in the media. On average the stories are mostly portrayed negative and it's clear that there's an anti-war, anti-Bush bias.

If you noticed I didn’t render on an opinion on the report at all… because I haven’t seen it. I’m simply saying that if you want to have an honest discussion about the quality of news reporting it helps to actually have seen the offending piece first hand.

Otherwise what are you basing your opinion on? In fact, you’ve already answered that question yourself – you’re taking the word of other people (specifically, another news organization) – and not using your own critical thought process to examine the merit (or lack thereof) of the evidence.

You’re free to your opinion – but to not actually substantiate it by directly referencing the source you are criticizing…. I mean, what exactly are you trying to achieve here?

I based my opinion on what I've read and the comments of those whose opinions I respect. You know, somewhat like those responsible to make hard decisions oftentimes do.

So your "mission" in this thread is simply to disrupt and rebuke without rendering an opinion of your own?

Curious indeed!

[PurrSuede 0]

I've said too much already.

Now THAT statement is the most intelligent thing you've ever said to date!

[Alex+R 0]

I thought you would. How convenient

Some do prefer to be in the military -- my little brother is currently deployed in Iraq -- he emails when he can. I think the information I get from him will trump anything you tell me or anything I read in the media.

OWNED

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

Was it military generals that designed our foreign policy with Iraq? What happened to Colin Powell? ...as if military expertise has mattered one iota to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney and the rest of the chickenhawks who engineered this debacle.

apparently you missed the point of that one

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Kaydee did you actually watch the CNN report before you commented on it?

No I did not. The article describes its content quite clearly; an enemy camera man (terrorist) filming the sniper killing a U.S. serviceman.

I'll ask you these questions.

Who/whom is the targeted audience of a filmed killing of a U.S. seviceman? Is this an Al Quada training film or one meant to migrate into the U.S. evening news? How did CNN get it? Why would they show it?

How did they get it? Probably by the usual way that these things are sent in – via the postal mail. No big conspiracy there. Things get sent in all the time - anonymously I might add.

As for why they would show it – that’s a rather more difficult question and really require having seen the report to be able to speak with any authority on it. If come across a transcript – we can discuss.

Other than that you are merely speculating, based on subject assumptions about how the news media operates.

Care to tell me where I'm speculating "based on subject assumptions about how the news media operates"?

I'm not even sure what that means.

You assume that the media has an overwhelmingly anti-government liberal bias – and are offering a 3rd hand story as an example to validate it. The story you posted isn’t even about the CNN report, it’s about a hotel refusing to air the channel because of it.

You’re speculating because you haven’t viewed the report but are rendering an opinion on it anyway. I’m saying if you want to talk about it with any authority – at least have direct familiarity with the original material. CNN posts their reports online I believe…

It seems a little pointless to have a discussion about something that noone has actually seen.

The "story", and its airing on CNN, was discussed at length last night on FOX NEWS channel and of course was criticized as going way over the line in terms of its "newsworthiness". Note that most reputable news organizations don’t air videos of beheadings. This video is apparently of the same gruesomeness and has the same intent, propaganda to be used in the media.

Pointless? The fact is that I personally don't have to be an eyewitness to any incident to form an opinion about the incident. Neither do you, nor do any of us.

For example, you've never been to the middle east (an assumption on my part) but you have an endless repertoire of (pointless) opinions about its people and politics, don't you? You base your opinions on what you read, I suppose.......

My perception of the media coverage of the war is based on my personal travels to the middle east, what I've seen there verses what I subsequently read and hear in the media. On average the stories are mostly portrayed negative and it's clear that there's an anti-war, anti-Bush bias.

If you noticed I didn’t render on an opinion on the report at all… because I haven’t seen it. I’m simply saying that if you want to have an honest discussion about the quality of news reporting it helps to actually have seen the offending piece first hand.

Otherwise what are you basing your opinion on? In fact, you’ve already answered that question yourself – you’re taking the word of other people (specifically, another news organization) – and not using your own critical thought process to examine the merit (or lack thereof) of the evidence.

You’re free to your opinion – but to not actually substantiate it by directly referencing the source you are criticizing…. I mean, what exactly are you trying to achieve here?

I based my opinion on what I've read and the comments of those whose opinions I respect. You know, somewhat like those responsible to make hard decisions oftentimes do.

So your "mission" in this thread is simply to disrupt and rebuke without rendering an opinion of your own?

Curious indeed!

I’m rebuking the fact that you started the thread with clear personal bias that based firstly, on a story that is several levels removed from the report you are bemoaning, and also the interpretation of another news network – which is again second hand information.

If you have not seen the original report, how can you speak on it with any authority? Which goes back to the question of why you started the thread. Clearly not for the purposes of discussion. Why? because while you are comfortable with accepting someone else’s interpretation of something you’ve never seen, don’t expect others to take your word for it.

Again – if you come across a transcript of the report, I’m happy to discuss.

[Carol&Marc 0]

I’m rebuking the fact that you started the thread with clear personal bias that based firstly, on a story that is several levels removed from the report you are bemoaning, and also the interpretation of another news network – which is again second hand information.

If you have not seen the original report, how can you speak on it with any authority? Which goes back to the question of why you started the thread. Clearly not for the purposes of discussion. Why? because while you are comfortable with accepting someone else’s interpretation of something you’ve never seen, don’t expect others to take your word for it.

Again – if you come across a transcript of the report, I’m happy to discuss.

Erekose, everything that is written or spoken is subject to each individuals interpretation. I saw the dam report it showed a camera behind the shooters shoulder blowing away a U.S. soldier.Then handed off to CNN. Not Reuters, Not AP, Not Fox, Not BBC,Not CBS,Not NBC, Want More? Why didnt CNN turn the guy in to the military that gave them the video? Maybe to get more tape at a later time? or maybe CNN has a terrorist confidentiality clause? NOW go PARSE that. Break out the hair splitter.