Gay penguin book shakes up Ill. school

[Cristy 4]

" don't have frank sexual discussions with my son based on him asking me what poo is and where it comes from.

Your kid does not know where poo comes from?

[Peikko 1,575]

Sometimes I wonder...they do ask where poo comes from beyond it's evacuation site!

How is a book about two male penguins incubating an egg a discourse on homosexuality anyway? I really do have to read this book...

Edited November 17, 2006 by Purple_Hibiscus

[PlatyPius 5]

I didn't have the first idea what love meant or what it really was when I was a young child -- certainly no idea how to define it. In fact, the concept of love was very foreign to me for many years, even as an adult. Oh sure, I intellectually understood it, but that's about all. So I don't think you can realistically say that all grade school children have an understanding over the concept of love, and would understand this. Some might, but I bet a lot wouldn't.

I didn't understand it until I was 37.....

[Carol&Marc 0]

I don't see why we have to make a big deal out of it anymore in 2006. Most boys love girls but some boys love boys. End of story. My brother (born in the 90s) learned that when he was 3.

I have three boys and I would really like to know how you explain sexuality to a 3 year old? Sex-ed after learning to walk? #######. goo goo gaga, my god a three year old doesnt have the vocabulary to even come close to understanding sex.

It doesn't say anything about whether or not the kid is talking about sex, as Ionescu presumably meant to prove with it, but I would say it's normal. 11-12 is when most girls stop thinking kissing is gross, right? And sex is still gross at that age.

Which is it 12 or 3? something strange is going on here?

[Alex+R 0]

I don't see why we have to make a big deal out of it anymore in 2006. Most boys love girls but some boys love boys. End of story. My brother (born in the 90s) learned that when he was 3.

I have three boys and I would really like to know how you explain sexuality to a 3 year old? Sex-ed after learning to walk? #######. goo goo gaga, my god a three year old doesnt have the vocabulary to even come close to understanding sex.

It doesn't say anything about whether or not the kid is talking about sex, as Ionescu presumably meant to prove with it, but I would say it's normal. 11-12 is when most girls stop thinking kissing is gross, right? And sex is still gross at that age.

Which is it 12 or 3? something strange is going on here?

Marc: what part of "gay relationships are not all about sex any more than heterosexual ones" do you not understand?

I said my brother learned there were same-sex parent relationships at 3. I said 11-12 year old girls are only beginning to think kissing is not so gross and definitely think sex is gross at that age.

Why are you so angry?

[Carol&Marc 0]

I don't see why we have to make a big deal out of it anymore in 2006. Most boys love girls but some boys love boys. End of story. My brother (born in the 90s) learned that when he was 3.

I have three boys and I would really like to know how you explain sexuality to a 3 year old? Sex-ed after learning to walk? #######. goo goo gaga, my god a three year old doesnt have the vocabulary to even come close to understanding sex.

It doesn't say anything about whether or not the kid is talking about sex, as Ionescu presumably meant to prove with it, but I would say it's normal. 11-12 is when most girls stop thinking kissing is gross, right? And sex is still gross at that age.

Which is it 12 or 3? something strange is going on here?

Marc: what part of "gay relationships are not all about sex any more than heterosexual ones" do you not understand?

I said my brother learned there were same-sex parent relationships at 3. I said 11-12 year old girls are only beginning to think kissing is not so gross and definitely think sex is gross at that age.

Why are you so angry?

Im not angry Alex I promise. Still confused about why teach a 3 year old about gayness? was he verbally taught about it or was he just around it in his life?

Edited November 18, 2006 by Carol&Marc

[Alex+R 0]

Sure he was around it, parents' friends, his friends' parents. Your kids are around it too (the horror!).

It comes up. My parents said that most boys love girls but some boys love boys.

Kids don't need to be taught about it, but why lie when they ask? Would you lie if they asked why their friend lived only with his grandma? Same thing. All families.

[garya505 2]

I don't see why we have to make a big deal out of it anymore in 2006. Most boys love girls but some boys love boys. End of story. My brother (born in the 90s) learned that when he was 3.

I have three boys and I would really like to know how you explain sexuality to a 3 year old? Sex-ed after learning to walk? #######. goo goo gaga, my god a three year old doesnt have the vocabulary to even come close to understanding sex.

It doesn't say anything about whether or not the kid is talking about sex, as Ionescu presumably meant to prove with it, but I would say it's normal. 11-12 is when most girls stop thinking kissing is gross, right? And sex is still gross at that age.

Which is it 12 or 3? something strange is going on here?

Marc: what part of "gay relationships are not all about sex any more than heterosexual ones" do you not understand?

I said my brother learned there were same-sex parent relationships at 3. I said 11-12 year old girls are only beginning to think kissing is not so gross and definitely think sex is gross at that age.

Why are you so angry?

Im not angry Alex I promise. Still confused about why teach a 3 year old about gayness? was he verbally taught about it or was he just around it in his life?

Because it's part of the liberal agenda to convince everyone that same-sex relationships are normal and equivalent to heterosexual relationships. So, they figure it's better to start teaching kids this as young as possible.

Edited November 18, 2006 by garya505

[Alex+R 0]

Because it's part of the liberal agenda to convince everyone that same-sex relationships are normal and equivalent to heterosexual relationships. So, they figure it's better to start teaching kids this as young as possible.

That horrible liberal agenda... forcing people to accept and love one another. Putting all that emphasis on "love makes a family."

Shouldn't we be teaching our kids that one man and one woman and their offspring are the only people that make a family? Didn't Jesus himself say "hate thy neighbor?"

[sparkofcreation 0]

I have nothing against homosexuals or their raising children (after all, heterosexual couples have brought up some pretty terrible kids, so how bad can homosexual couples do?), but let children be children -- especially in grade school. There's no need to introduce them to heterosexual or homosexual lifestyles at that age. All elemenary school-age kids should be concerned with is adapting to their new scholastic environment, homework, and having fun during recess.

So what you're saying is that you'd be equally opposed to children ages 4-8 being able to read a book about a male and a female penguin adopting an egg and raising the chick?

And also that children in elementary school shouldn't concern themselves with things like reading, art, or anything else that's not the three Rs (I mean four--I forgot recess!)?

Edited November 18, 2006 by sparkofcreation

[pj1959us 0]

I wonder if that purple Teletubby Tinky Winky wrote this book and is trying to convert all God's chillun to bein' gay.

[Cristy 4]

Because it's part of the liberal agenda to convince everyone that same-sex relationships are normal and equivalent to heterosexual relationships. So, they figure it's better to start teaching kids this as young as possible.

I am proud to say YES!

[DeadPoolX 9]

I have nothing against homosexuals or their raising children (after all, heterosexual couples have brought up some pretty terrible kids, so how bad can homosexual couples do?), but let children be children -- especially in grade school. There's no need to introduce them to heterosexual or homosexual lifestyles at that age. All elemenary school-age kids should be concerned with is adapting to their new scholastic environment, homework, and having fun during recess.

So what you're saying is that you'd be equally opposed to children ages 4-8 being able to read a book about a male and a female penguin adopting an egg and raising the chick?

And also that children in elementary school shouldn't concern themselves with things like reading, art, or anything else that's not the three Rs (I mean four--I forgot recess!)?

I would be opposed to any forced learning of love and relationships, heterosexual or homosexual, at that early of a stage of childhood development. I don't believe young children need to deal with such things. If we were talking about junior high or high school students, that'd be different -- then they'd be intellectually, emotionally and psychologically mature enough to handle the concepts.

As for what elementary students should concern themselves with...I did say they would be "adapting to their new scholastic environment, homework and having fun during recess." All of that includes reading, art, math, and writing within homework and daily studies; the recess portion is obvious.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Kids of the age group that book is aimed at don't have much of an understanding of intimate human relationships of any kind - including their own parents, let alone that of a same sex. So what's the issue here - that parents don't want to deal with difficult questions from their kids?

They're not going to understand anyway - just as they can't understand the concept of physical/sexual attraction.

In any case you can't protect your kids from being exposed to 'gayness', and if you don't want to deal with it in a kids book (with a very controlled context) what are you going to tell them when you see two men kissing and holding hands in the train station?

[garya505 2]

Because it's part of the liberal agenda to convince everyone that same-sex relationships are normal and equivalent to heterosexual relationships. So, they figure it's better to start teaching kids this as young as possible.

That horrible liberal agenda... forcing people to accept and love one another. Putting all that emphasis on "love makes a family."

Shouldn't we be teaching our kids that one man and one woman and their offspring are the only people that make a family? Didn't Jesus himself say "hate thy neighbor?"

I didn't say the liberal agenda was horrible, I just said it's the agenda. Just because you don't accept someone's lifestyle doesn't mean you hate them. And I think even Jesus would say to love everyone but not neccessarily what they do.

Because it's part of the liberal agenda to convince everyone that same-sex relationships are normal and equivalent to heterosexual relationships. So, they figure it's better to start teaching kids this as young as possible.

I am proud to say YES!

Finally an honest one!