Muslim Women Shockingly Not Grateful for Topless European Ladies Trying To 'Save' Them

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Yep. Two new mod rules in the last 72 hours or so:

1) No link to anything that contains pictures of any naughty bits.

2) When quoting a news article in the original post, the thread title must match the article title exactly.

Just curious exactly what naughty bits are.

I did not know about rule two. I sometimes reword them a bit if they are too long etc.

Im saying that it is a Islamic Illegal government based on Kings deciding to implement Islamic law.....my own opinion of that is how can you enforce a law that they are breaking just by being the royal family........i would have more respect for the law in Saudi if it was followed to the letter of Islam......is kind of like telling your kids dont do drugs or drink and your doing it in front of them.....

fried meaning blasted from other Muslims

i was born in Guatemala adopted as a new born and brought to the USA by my parents......

So you did not grow up in a predominantly Islamic country ?

[sandinista! 1,816]

she's an oregonian, like myself. ie, awesome.

[sara..... 371]

Just curious exactly what naughty bits are.

I did not know about rule two. I sometimes reword them a bit if they are too long etc.

So you did not grow up in a predominantly Islamic country ?

most of my teenage years i spent in Pakistan.......that gave me a lot of insight as to different ways of life....then went to India and a few years back to Egypt each country i have found have their own way of interpreting what is right in Islam and what is not for example.....in Pakistan we never received any strange looks if we wore our hijabs allowing our hair to show as long as we covered it correctly for prayer..........in Egypt i found the hair was hidden in hijab but girls wore tight jeans and shirts..but covered their body for prayer....in Pakistan they wore Islamic clothing but normally not the cover dresses that Saudi and some of the Egyptian women wore.....

my mom is what you call old school but encourages us to think for our self.

Edited April 13, 2013 by sara.....

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

she's an oregonian, like myself. ie, awesome.

But you grew up in A muslim county correct..

Just for the record I think women in Saudi dress better than your ducky football team

most of my teenage years i spent in Pakistan.......that gave me a lot of insight as to different ways of life....then went to India and a few years back to Egypt each country i have found have their own way of interpreting what is right in Islam and what is not for example.....in Pakistan we never received any strange looks if we wore our hijabs allowing our hair to show as long as we covered it correctly for prayer..........in Egypt i found the hair was hidden in hijab but girls wore tight jeans and shirts..but covered their body for prayer....in Pakistan they wore Islamic clothing but normally not the cover dresses that Saudi and some of the Egyptian women wore.....

my mom is what you call old school but encourages us to think for our self.

and it would be safe to say that all of those countries are somewhat moderate.. I just sold a car to a Doctor from Egypt. Supper nice guy both He and His wife. Spoke 4 languages.

I have to say he did not have very nice things to say about the Brotherhood.

[sara..... 371]

she's an oregonian, like myself. ie, awesome.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

And with that I crank up the Bob and get busy with things I need to do today.... have fun y'all

If we could call a truce for a second. I got to ask you what the Bob is . Cause when I was single, I dated several women who talked about bob a lot. Surely you did not mean ?

[sandinista! 1,816]

i have never lived anywhere but oregon. and i totally agree re. the ducks.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

i have never lived anywhere but oregon. and i totally agree re. the ducks.

Then why do you have Morocco in your profile ?

[sandinista! 1,816]

because it's where my husband's from, the same way that you have philippines listed, yet you are not filipino. it's where we did visa stuff.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

because it's where my husband's from, the same way that you have philippines listed, yet you are not filipino. it's where we did visa stuff.

Ouch.. Women Marry foreign nationals also.... DUH DUH I will write 200 times on the chalk board... I will not be a sexist pig

:bonk::bonk:

[sandinista! 1,816]

we are allowed to do that here! and it is awesome!

[sandinista! 1,816]

i have a SIL that is married to a saudi and lives there. she likes her life there. my MIL came to visit her in saudi last year, and from what my husband said she basically couldn't wait to get the hell outta there. to each their own.

[himher 634]

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1012.html

And if you choose to live that way, then all due respect live that way. I am a big believer in personal freedom. However.. This is from the Sate dept web site. Does not sound like much freedom to me. Maybe WOM will not label it an Islamaphobic website

Saudi authorities do not permit criticism of Islam or the royal family. The government prohibits the public practice of religions other than Islam. Non-Muslims suspected of violating these restrictions have been jailed. Consensual same-sex sexual relations are criminalized in Saudi Arabia. Penalities include fines, jail time, or death. For further information on LGBT travel, please read our Information for LGBT Travelers page.

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A married woman should be aware that she must have her husband's permission for her and their children to depart Saudi Arabia. This is true even if the woman and/or her children are U.S. citizens and even if her husband does not have Saudi nationality. The U.S. Embassy can intercede with the Saudi government to request exit visas for adult U.S. women, but there is no guarantee that visas will be issued, and obtaining an exit visa without the male guardian’s consent takes many months, if it can be obtained at all. The U.S. Embassy cannot obtain exit visas for the departure of minor children without their father's permission (See Entry/Exit Requirements section above).

Islam is the official religion of the country and pervades all aspects of life in Saudi Arabia. Public display of non-Islamic religious articles such as crosses and Bibles is not permitted. Non-Muslims are forbidden to travel to Makkah (Mecca) and Medina, the cities where two of Islam’s holiest mosques are located. Norms for public behavior in Saudi Arabia are extremely conservative, and the Commission on Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (CPVPV), the religious police (referred to colloquially as the Mutawwa or Al-Hay’a), are charged with enforcing these standards on behalf of the CPVPV. Mutawwa are required to carry special identification and usually are accompanied by uniformed police; however, in some cases they have detained persons without police presence. The Muttawa have accosted or arrested foreigners, including U.S. citizens, for improper dress or other alleged infractions, such as consumption of alcohol or association by a female with a male to whom she is not related. Mutawwa who are accompanied by a uniformed police officer have the power to take individuals to police or Mutawwa headquarters. If a uniformed police officer is present, individuals must (if requested) hand over his or her iqama or other identification to the police officer. While most incidents have resulted only in inconvenience or embarrassment, the potential exists for an individual to be arrested, physically harmed or deported. U.S. citizens who are involved in an incident with the Mutawwa should report the incident to the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh or the U.S. Consulates General in Jeddah or Dhahran. In most areas of Saudi Arabia, and particularly in Riyadh and the central part of the Kingdom, women wear a full-length black covering known as an Abaya, and cover their heads. Women who choose not to conform to this dress code face a risk of confrontation by Mutawwa and possible detention/arrest. Men should not wear shorts in public or go without a shirt.

Many areas of life in Saudi Arabia are segregated by sex to ensure that unrelated men and women have no possibility of mingling (a punishable crime). Some Mutawwa try to enforce this normally by asking for proof that a couple is married or related. Women who are arrested forsocializing with a man who is not a relative may be charged with prostitution. Some restaurants, particularly fast-food outlets, have refused to serve women who are not accompanied by a close male relative. In addition, some restaurants or cafes do not have a "family section" in which women are permitted to eat. These restrictions are not always posted. This is more common in Riyadh and the more conservative central Nejd region.

Dancing, playing music, and showing movies in public are forbidden.

Temporary male visitors may drive on their U.S. driver's license. Foreign men employed in Saudi Arabia must obtain a local driver's license from the Department of Traffic Police. Women are not allowed to drive or ride bicycles on public roads. Article no. 42/3 of the Saudi Traffic Law states that a valid foreign or international driver’s license can be used for either a year or until the expiration date, whichever is closer.

I'm really gonna mildly advise you to set up with an expat forum and talk to some non-Muslim Westerners in Saudi. Who knows you'll learn something?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I'm really gonna mildly advise you to set up with an expat forum and talk to some non-Muslim Westerners in Saudi. Who knows you'll learn something?

Maybe who knows. I have been wrong before. that info is straight from the State Dept... I find it hard to believe they would risk angering the Saudi's over posting false info.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

i did state that it was the law of that country and that even if i disagreed with it i did understand the reason for it.......ever drove in a country where there are men drivers filled with road rage?

Yes, I do that every day. That country is the USA. There's plenty of road rage to go around here. Anyway, are you seriously suggesting that the driving prohibition imposed on females in Saudi Arabia (there's no law to that effect, by the way) is to protect them from male road rage? Is that your argument here?