Muslim Women Shockingly Not Grateful for Topless European Ladies Trying To 'Save' Them

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

And there are lots of Muslims who are moderates - you might be surprised

[james&olya 1,121]

Well, that's your mistake.

We are unlikely to ever agree on issues surrounding religion then. I do not personally believe in any religion and do not elevate any of them onto the pedestal you apparently do with Islam. While that is certainly your right it is also your mistake if you assume non-adherents to your religion will see things from your same, narrow perspective. For me I recognize a religion as being whatever its leaders say it is and how they conduct themselves in leading their body of adherents. A 'pie-in-the-sky' set of lofty and sometimes objectively ludicrous 'doctrines' is, in my view, just one of the tools used by religious leaders to gain conformity within their body of believers. My guess is that 'Muslim Women' in general are unlikely to be able to discover the common ground they share with FEMEN even on the issues of abuse. And this would be their problem!

[GandD 5,966]

And there are lots of Muslims who are moderates - you might be surprised

I certainly was not implying there were not.

[james&olya 1,121]

Thank you Sure there are some bullies in the world (of both genders) but in my experience, the usual or normal "male" nature is to be protective of females and children.

Which was exactly my point! It is not a normal manifestation of normal male 'nature' to be a bully to women or children. Testosterone does not cause bullying. That is a result of a socio-pathic personality disorder and it occurs in both genders!

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Which was exactly my point! It is not a normal manifestation of normal male 'nature' to be a bully to women or children. Testosterone does not cause bullying. That is a result of a socio-pathic personality disorder and it occurs in both genders!

Gotcha

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

An intelligent discussion of male aggression recognizes that males naturally have higher levels of testosterone than females and that this hormone does increase a tendency to aggression.

So, you approve of the Saudis' attitude toward women drivers. I see.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Per the OP, FEMEN did not do any such thing either. But keep accusing them of it all the same.

i am trying to figure out how to link to where they did without running afoul of the nudity linking issue

quotes from inna shevchenko:

"They write on their posters that they don't need liberation but in their eyes it's written 'help me'.

"You know, through all history of humanity, all slaves deny that they are slaves.

“You say you live the way you want. Being the fifth wife in a harem, the maximum you can be is the favourite wife…right?"

nope, nothing condescending there, no way!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

i am trying to figure out how to link to where they did without running afoul of the nudity linking issue

quotes from inna shevchenko:

"They write on their posters that they don't need liberation but in their eyes it's written 'help me'.

"You know, through all history of humanity, all slaves deny that they are slaves.

“You say you live the way you want. Being the fifth wife in a harem, the maximum you can be is the favourite wife…right?"

nope, nothing condescending there, no way!

Link required.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Link required.

Google search the last phrase. Take a left turn at the Huff Post.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That ain't a woman in the picture.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

How about her?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Google search the last phrase. Take a left turn at the Huff Post.

Just as I thought, reads differently when read in context.

Topless in the Country of Hijab?

Inna Shevchenko

'Muslim women against FEMEN' - we got a letter with this title after our worldwide demonstration Topless Jihad to support the Tunisian feminist Amina Tyler and the freedom of Arab women everywhere. I asked myself who are the authors of the letter? FEMEN is a movement with history, with ideology, a manifesto and clear activity. The letter is obviously written not in feminist rhetoric at all, they are making accusations of racism.

Being born in post USSR country (Ukraine) I know exactly that it's a common trait of dictatorial countries to promote the official position of the government pretending that it's backed by the people.

I don't deny the fact that there Muslim women who will say they are free and the hijab is their choice and right.

So, sisters, (I prefer to talk to women anyway, even knowing that behind them are bearded men with knives). You say to us that you are against Femen, but we are here for you and for all of us, as women are the modern slaves and it's never a question of colour of skin.

You say you live the way you want. Being fifth wife in harem the maximum you can be is the favorite wife... Right?

You say we talk about you because we are irritated only by bearded men who pray five times per day. We have enough bearded bastards in our part of the world, the beard of Russian patriarch Kirill (A Russian Orthodox bishop who is the big supporter of Putin) would win a competition of 'holy beards' and some people even say that he is so connected to God he is praying 30 times per day.

Sisters, we don't care how many times your men are praying, but we care a lot what do they do in between. We care a lot about violence and aggression, we care a lot when your fathers, brothers and husbands are raping and killing, when they call to stone your sisters, we care a lot when they burn embassies etc, and all that for Allah!

In our actions the people we are attacking are the ones who are constantly oppressing women, covering them, disrespecting them, raping them, beating them whether they are religious or not. But if they do it in name of religion then we can do nothing but tell them their religion is worth nothing.

We would never talk about Allah or Jesus and other fantasies if those fantasies did not affect human rights. You claim that we bring you our idea from our part of the world and you don't need it. The idea of freedom doesn't have anything to do with nationality or colour of skin. There are no set of human rights for Europeans and other for Arabs or Americans, its universal. And we are going to keep fighting for all of us, for our right for freedom. We are going to fight with you, with Arab women, like Aliaa Elmahdy (Egyptian internet activist), like Amina and I hope like you.

And you can put as many scarves as you want if you are free tomorrow to take it off and to put it back the next day but don't deny millions of your sisters who have fear behind their scarves, don't deny that there are million of your sisters who have been raped and killed because they are not following the wish of Allah! We are here to scream about that.

You say we are Islamophobes, just recently we heard from anti-gay Catholics that we are Christianophobes. Yes, I'm scared of all your religions because all of them are bleeding. I'm an atheist and I cannot say that you are atheistophobe as there is nothing that you can be scared of. You personally have rights to believe in whatever you want, the same as me but until the moment there are no stones, bullets and blood of your religion we are going to fight it.

Often, before going to sleep I dream about a world with religions that are only in your houses or churches and don't appear in other places. And do you know what I see? I see the world without Serbs, Croats and Muslims being massacred, without 9/11, without witch-hunts, without 7/7, a world without suicide bombers and without the Taliban, without Israeli/Palestinian wars, without persecution of Jews as 'Christ-killers', without Nothern Ireland troubles, without Crusades, a world where are no public beheadings of blasphemers and no flogging of female skin for the crime of showing an inch of it.

Good night!

See you on the battle lines!

How about her?

Can't tell. Can you?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Can't tell. Can you?

I believe that is the point.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I believe that is the point.

But then how do we know that these are women speaking out? Maybe it's all dudes.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

But then how do we know that these are women speaking out? Maybe it's all dudes.

Why should it matter? Do you have a problem with transvestites?