The Good News About American Islamophobia

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

But the Tea Party is rather extreme. And no one has yet to answer my question about them, which was where were they when GW spent us into this recession?

I do know a few members and all they are about is living with less government and stopping our reckless spending.

In fairness they were founded shortly after GWB left office. I don't think most of them were big fans and most of them do not like what he did to this country.

Not sure what is so extreme about them . Less taxes, smaller govt, more freedom, follow the Constitution.. Not so extreme in my book.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

If you really think I was "hitting" people with sticks then clearly you just read what you want to read. It's so tempting to exaggerate things, isn't it?

The tea party platform in and of itself: http://www.teaparty-platform.com/ reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. But this is not the thread for that conversation. Though you just love derailing threads, don't you? Time and time again they have used their large budgets (funded not by the pockets of grassroots activists, but corporate interests like Koch Industries) to wage battle against immigration reform, social safety net programs, and minority groups. And FYI I was there at those anti-"Ground Zero Mosque" protests and I saw plenty of "Don't Tread on Me" flags and their leader, Pamela Gellar is a tea party household name. Not to mention their politicians are the ones spearheading those ridiculous "anti-sharia law" bills.

And who said I'm one of those "people who are always crying don't judge us by the actions of a few"? Who exactly do you think I am? Have I outed myself as a member of some group or affiliation I'm not aware of? Time to go outside and enjoy the spring weather.

did you not say you went around poking people with sticks and then out ran them ?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

LOL.

"We're the best we're the best we're great we do everything right we're Americans yayyyyyy and we tolerate and respect everybody's religion because we have Judeo Christian values yayyyyyy and our values are so diametrically different from the values of Islam boooo just look at Saudi and Afghanistan that proves it booooo oppression and violence boooooo and we never funded any Muslim extremists and we never laid waste to any Muslim countries that never did anything to us yayyyyyy and.... wait, what ? Well don't look here look over there look how bad it is over there look at them look at Saudi look at Afghanistan they're Muslims we're not yayyyyy they follow Sharia boooo we don't yayyyyy now admit we're perfect yayyyyy admit it yayyyy we're superior yayyyyy admit it yayyy we're better than everyone else especially we're better than the Muslims boooo our culture yayyyy don't talk about other countries except Saudi and Afghanistan because that's Islam and they are just following their Quran and it tells them to do all of this stuff boooo and don't talk about secular Muslims or modern Muslims or non-Wahhabi Muslims because who cares about them and what do they know about their religion anyway but we're not prejudiced noooooooo we're not bigoted nooooo we just don't like Muslims and their Muslim ways because look at Saudi and Afghanistan so boooooo them yayyyyyy us"

speaking of attributing things to people we did not say... This reporting thing.. is this he part where i threaten to report you for attributing things to me i did not say.

Yes we are much more free than a country like Saudi. That is a fact... Go to Saudi and start protesting about pro-Christianity and discrimination against chrsitians in a open and vocal manner and let me know how that works out for you.

Edited April 13, 2013 by The Nature Boy

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

speaking of attributing things to people we did not say... This reporting thing.. is this he part where i threaten to report you for attributing things to me i did not say.

Yes we are much more than a country like Saudi. That is a fact... Go to Saudi and start protesting about pro-Christianity and discrimination against chrsitians in a open and vocal manner and let me know how that works out for you.

You said all of it, in one way or another, in one thread or another. You are trying to be very careful right now, which is a good thing, but you have certainly attempted to paint Wahhabism as some kind of "authentic" Islam or Sharia many, many times.

And why would I want to go to Saudi and "protest pro-Christianity" ?????? What a weird request. How many Saudis are Christian ????

Edited April 13, 2013 by wife_of_mahmoud

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You said all of it, in one way or another, in one thread or another. You are trying to be very careful right now, which is a good thing, but you have certainly attempted to paint Wahhabism as some kind of "authentic" Islam or Sharia many, many times.

And why would I want to go to Saudi and "protest pro-Christianity" ?????? What a weird request. How many Saudis are Christian ????

The only thing I have tried to paint is that Saudi is a backwards ####### oppressive country that treats women like cattle, and it is based on sharia law.

My point was you bash America for being islamaphobic even though it is the most free place on earth and your religious rights are protected, unlike the places you champion that have little of any protection for other religions. Once again i am talking about radical Islamist states.. I know some in some places like Turkey it is tolerated.

I am not being more careful I am being more articulate so you can not twist my words into "he is bashing all Muslims" and run to the mods when you can't defend your point of view.

Edited April 13, 2013 by The Nature Boy

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

The only thing I have tried to paint is that Saudi is a backwards ####### oppressive country that treats women like cattle, and it is based on sharia law.

Like "cattle" ? They raise them in feed lots and then slaughter them for their meat, and use their hides ? Please explain what you mean by "like cattle."

My point was you bash America for being islamaphobic even though it is the most free place on earth and your religious rights are protected, unlike the places you champion that have little of any protection for other relgions. Onceagain i am talking about radical Islamist states.. I know some in some places like Turkey it is tolerated.

Which places do I "champion" ? (Answer: Palestine, that's it.) You seem to interpret every single correction of your vast wasteland of misconceptions and basic errors of fact is somehow saying that you ought to switch your religion to Wahhabism.

Bizarre.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Like "cattle" ? They raise them in feed lots and then slaughter them for their meat, and use their hides ? Please explain what you mean by "like cattle."

Which places do I "champion" ? (Answer: Palestine, that's it.) You seem to interpret every single correction of your vast wasteland of misconceptions and basic errors of fact is somehow saying that you ought to switch your religion to Wahhabism.

Bizarre.

not going to play what do you mean by like cattle....... You know what i mean

So you don't champion places like Saudi ?/

So you agree that Saudi is oppressive to it's women, uses a brutal form of Sharia law, and has Zero tolerance for other religions

P.S. Could you link me to a map of the country of Palestine..

Edited April 13, 2013 by The Nature Boy

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I do know a few members and all they are about is living with less government and stopping our reckless spending.

In fairness they were founded shortly after GWB left office. I don't think most of them were big fans and most of them do not like what he did to this country.

Not sure what is so extreme about them . Less taxes, smaller govt, more freedom, follow the Constitution.. Not so extreme in my book.

And yet, they waited until the guy who put us in the trouble we are in now was out of office. They could have had the same message when he was in office.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

And yet, they waited until the guy who put us in the trouble we are in now was out of office. They could have had the same message when he was in office.

I agree.. To be fair they are they feel just as strongly about Congress, many repubs etc.. This is not just about Obama.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

not going to play what do you mean by like cattle....... You know what i mean

So you don't champion places like Saudi ?/

So you agree that Saudi is oppressive to it's women, uses a brutal form of Sharia law, and has Zero tolerance for other religions

I really don't know what you mean by "like cattle." So please explain your comment (that is, "if you can come up with an articulate response" )

I have never ever said that Saudi laws are not oppressive to women. I've never ever said that Saudi's form of Sharia is not extremely strict, or that it's isn't enforced with violence, or that this violence is a good thing.

I just correct you when you post something that's not true. It's you that keeps perceiving this as meaning that I endorse Wahhabism, or that I'm holding up Saudi Arabia as some epitome of human rights and freedom for women. It's really bizarre, Nature.

I think it's because you get a little upset or irritated with me because I don't agree with you, and this gets in the way of you being able to read my posts calmly and objectively - because you constantly claim that I'm saying stuff that I never said.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I really don't know what you mean by "like cattle." So please explain your comment (that is, "if you can come up with an articulate response" )

I have never ever said that Saudi laws are not oppressive to women. I've never ever said that Saudi's form of Sharia is not extremely strict, or that it's isn't enforced with violence, or that this violence is a good thing.

I just correct you when you post something that's not true. It's you that keeps perceiving this as meaning that I endorse Wahhabism, or that I'm holding up Saudi Arabia as some epitome of human rights and freedom for women. It's really bizarre, Nature.

I think it's because you get a little upset or irritated with me because I don't agree with you, and this gets in the way of you being able to read my posts calmly and objectively - because you constantly claim that I'm saying stuff that I never said.

treat women like cattle.... ====== Like property not partners

I could care less if you disagree with me. It's healthy.... Notice i don't run to the Mods when you disagree with me.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

treat women like cattle.... ====== Like property not partners

I could care less if you disagree with me. It's healthy.... Notice i don't run to the Mods when you disagree with me.

What is that supposed to mean, Nature ? Are you really accusing me of "running to the mods" because you I don't agree with you ? What a righteous victim you think you are.

In fact: you may disagree with me all that you like; what you may not do is be abusive or make personal attacks against me.

Boohoo if you can't function within those basic parameters of civilized debate.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

What is that supposed to mean, Nature ? Are you really accusing me of "running to the mods" because you I don't agree with you ? What a righteous victim you think you are.

In fact: you may disagree with me all that you like; what you may not do is be abusive or make personal attacks against me.

Boohoo if you can't function within those basic parameters of civilized debate.

LOl so now your accusing me of abuse... You get more absurd every post you make..

How am I a victim. Victim of what. I don't do the victim thing. Not in my nature.

I will ask you the same two questions you never answer. Show me the post I was abusive or made personal attacks against you i or attacked all Muslims... You keep coming up with an epic fail on this, and I supposed the reason the Mod took no action is that after actually reading the posts, they realized what you and they said just was not true.

Edited April 13, 2013 by The Nature Boy

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

LOl so now your accusing me of abuse... You get more absurd every post you make..

How am I a victim. Victim of what. I don't do the victim thing. Not in my nature.

I will ask you the same two questions you never answer. Show me the post I was abusive or made personal attacks against you i or attacked all Muslims... You keep coming up with an epic fail on this, and I supposed the reason the Mod took no action is that after actually reading the posts, they realized what you and they said just was not true.

As you well know, the thread has been locked so I can't quote you directly, but anyone can see what you posted there, as did the mods.

(By the way I have corrected your misspelling of "antisemitic")

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=post&section=post&do=reply_post&f=145&t=424510&qpid=6148428

Post #2 you call me an antisemite for criticizing Israeli government policies

Post #31 you make a whole bunch of claims mischaracterizing my posts or attributing other people's words to me, including that I try to tell you "what a great place countries run by fundamentalist Islamic regimes are for women;" and you once again try to compare my criticism of Israeli government policies to prejudice against a religion

Post #41 you say I "can't handle the truth" (in reference to discussions about Islam) - all because I corrected your errors of fact

Post #42 you again distort and misquote me as trying to "feed (you) BS about how good women have it in places like Saudi, Afghanistan" etc. and claim that I have said that problems are "just because of a few political problems," a complete mis-characterization of my posts which you then use to accuse me of posting "a complete pile of malarkey" and "hurt(ing) Islam"

Post #46 you again claim that I "post nothing but antisemitic material," "go ballistic" if anyone dares to "suggest" that "Islam has a problem to deal with," and again claim that I "can't handle the truth" (about Islam) - all because I corrected your errors of fact.

Post #75 you say I "refuse to acknowledge" radicals and that I'm intolerant, with "a huge problem with dissent and different opinions" (all because I corrected your errors of fact)

Finally, as the mod TOLD you:

Instead of discussing the conference or the concerns raised at the conference, the topic was completely re-directed by a personal attack to one individuals own fears about Islam - a wide divergence from the original topic.

Personal attack. Islamophobia. In fact, you're hurting your cause, so please, keep it up.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I do not have time to sit around and trace with you all day, Nature. You will have to continue on your own.