Brutality in Saudi

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Oh don't worry... even though you crapped all over my thread about the discussion about democracy in the Jewish community and led the way spamming it with personal attacks and off-topic responses until you could get it closed, your endless threads about The Muslims will live on and on and on, no matter what.....

You can count on it.

The difference in you and I is ... i don't care what we discuss in a thread or if you disagree with me. I can articulate my own thoughts and points of views and my arguments can stand on there own merit even if you disagree with me.

I don't have to run to the Mods every time I get frustrated or can't articulate a valid response.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

The difference in you and I is ... i don't care what we discuss in a thread or if you disagree with me. I can articulate my own thoughts and points of views and my arguments can stand on there own merit even if you disagree with me.

I don't have to run to the Mods every time I get frustrated or can't articulate a valid response.

If you want to tolerate being personally attacked, that's your choice.

As far as me "not being able to articulate a valid response" Really, Nature, who do you think you are kidding ?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Well yeah, duh. What I'm harping on, rather ineffectively, is that regardless of oil it's still pretty crappy to look the other way. I just think it's ridiculous to point fingers at Saudi, but then not be equally disgusted at their friends.

I sincerely hope you're right about the last part though

You can't disregard the economic interest we have in the region. International affairs is pretty complex business. Not all black and white but rather various shades of grey.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The Saudis have otherwise paid a heavy price to combat terrorism.

You may have noticed the terror attacks against Saudi targets getting heavier starting in 2004 (not after 9/11 but some three years later). I would suspect that this is owed to Saudi Arabia - bowing to US pressure - was beginning to show some efforts to crack down on terrorist financing in 2003/2004. That said, the Saudi kingdom still has a rather "uneven record in the fight against terrorism".

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

You can't disregard the economic interest we have in the region. International affairs is pretty complex business. Not all black and white but rather various shades of grey.

In the case of the US, it is a particular shade of green we export that finances our enemies.

[himher 634]

In the case of the US, it is a particular shade of green we export that finances our enemies.

Well the mentioned wealthy Saudi doners certainly didnt get wealthy by printing their own personal money. So for that matter a case could be made that in addition to the arms and support we poured in there through Pakistan we financed the Saudis who financed the Taliban just like we are financing the Taliban today and we finance the Chinese who finance the Saudis who finance.....and it's a big circle. I did not see any support for terrorism in Saudi and they don't try terrorists and give them nice cells to live in either. They line them up and publicly execute them. So though their laws, compared to neighboring countries even, are conservative the Taliban has rules for beard length or you were beaten. Saudis do not teach this. They had rules for exactly how women's clothing should be arranged or you were beaten. Saudis do not teach this. They prevented girls and women from going to schools altogether. In Saudi, as earlier pointed out, women outnumber men in the Universities. Tying one to the other is like comparing night and day.

You may have noticed the terror attacks against Saudi targets getting heavier starting in 2004 (not after 9/11 but some three years later). I would suspect that this is owed to Saudi Arabia - bowing to US pressure - was beginning to show some efforts to crack down on terrorist financing in 2003/2004. That said, the Saudi kingdom still has a rather "uneven record in the fight against terrorism".

Bin Laden had his citizenship revoked and targeted Saudi industry well before 9/11. In fact it was the same year (1994) that the Taliban commenced operations to take over the country. Prior to 1994 Afghanistan was in civil war between tribal leaders and nobody was in charge. So the Saudis (government) cut their ties with Bin Laden the same year that the Taliban first kicked off their takeover of the country and we want to imply that the Saudi government somehow "funded the Taliban" now?

Edited April 13, 2013 by himher

[sandinista! 1,816]

You can't disregard the economic interest we have in the region. International affairs is pretty complex business. Not all black and white but rather various shades of grey.

yes, it's all finger pointing and strictly black and white and bad bad bad when it's other countries accused of terror financing and other nefarious business, but when it's the US it's all complex business and shades of gray.

[Karee 4,190]

yes, it's all finger pointing and strictly black and white and bad bad bad when it's other countries accused of terror financing and other nefarious business, but when it's the US it's all complex business and shades of gray.

My grand-daddy used to say, "two wrongs don't make a right" among other things.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

yes, it's all finger pointing and strictly black and white and bad bad bad when it's other countries accused of terror financing and other nefarious business, but when it's the US it's all complex business and shades of gray.

Absolutely not. I haven't said any such thing. Fact is that it's shades of grey all around. That said, up until 2003, there were not many shades of grey in terror financing through Saudi institutions. They've tightened up since but until then, it's been a heaven for terrorist organizations in need of funding. It is what it is. Sorry you don't like it.

[himher 634]

My grand-daddy used to say, "two wrongs don't make a right" among other things.

Your grand-daddy and mine musta been running buddies

Absolutely not. I haven't said any such thing. Fact is that it's shades of grey all around. That said, up until 2003, there were not many shades of grey in terror financing through Saudi institutions. They've tightened up since but until then, it's been a heaven for terrorist organizations in need of funding. It is what it is. Sorry you don't like it.

OK. So you say. But if you claim that the Saudi government was funding anything in Afghanistan after 1994 that's bunk.

Edited April 14, 2013 by himher

[Karee 4,190]

Your grand-daddy and mine musta been running buddies

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

OK. So you say. But if you claim that the Saudi government was funding anything in Afghanistan after 1994 that's bunk.

I am not saying that. What I've been saying is that the Saudi regime has turned a blind eye to the financing of terrorist organizations via Saudi institutions for far too long. They're still not cracking down on the practice the way they should. Spotty record.

[himher 634]

I am not saying that. What I've been saying is that the Saudi regime has turned a blind eye to the financing of terrorist organizations via Saudi institutions for far too long. They're still not cracking down on the practice the way they should. Spotty record.

They're not? You are sure about this? Because you cannot go to a charity organization in Saudi at Ramadan and donate money for anything as of 2010 without them taking down your name and all your information and recording it with the donation. They're tracking EVERYTHING at this time, at a level that in America would have people throwing fits about their privacy.

They track and record more than we do. What say you on this? Still not doing enough? What would be enough? An interrogation if you donate money to charity? Beaten on the bottom of the feet? I am not sure I would have appreciated that.

Article from a year ago.

According to a New Yorker article by Seymour Hersh published Friday, during the George W. Bush administration the United States funded, armed, and trained in Nevada members of Mujahideen-e-Khalq — an Iranian dissident group seeking the overthrow of Iran’s government and who, along with Israel, are reported to have been behind the assassinations of several Iranian nuclear scientists. MEK has been designated by the U.S. Department of State as a terrorist organization since 1997.

You need to put your poppy seed away. Here's a photo of Rumsfield and our buddy Saddam shaking hands like old friends.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

Did the Saudis fund the Iraqi "insecticide research" too? 1 guess as to who shipped the insecticide precursers over there. Know what insecticides do? Know how they work?

Edited April 14, 2013 by himher

[himher 634]

The difference in you and I is ... i don't care what we discuss in a thread or if you disagree with me. I can articulate my own thoughts and points of views and my arguments can stand on there own merit even if you disagree with me.

I don't have to run to the Mods every time I get frustrated or can't articulate a valid response.

You two would probably have a lot of common views if you'd quit sniping

[Karee 4,190]

You two would probably have a lot of common views if you'd quit sniping

What fun would that be?