Brutality in Saudi

[Karee 4,190]

That's an almost comical assertion. Hell, 15 of the 19 hi-jackers that perpetrated the mass murder on 9/11 were Saudis.

Yeah exactly. I'll take my Geography lesson after he passes his History exam.

[sandinista! 1,816]

They were acting under the guises of the Saudi govt?

Wasn't a big part of it planned in Germany? Surely Germany is therefore implicated then.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

They were acting under the guises of the Saudi govt?

Wasn't a big part of it planned in Germany? Surely Germany is therefore implicated then.

The Saudis are financing terrorism. The Taliban, AlQaeda, you name it. That's not exactly a secret. Germany, on the other hand, does not sponsor terrorism. It's not difficult.

Saudi Arabia and state sponsored terrorism

US fears on Taliban cash revealed

Leaked US cables show Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states as key sources for funds for al-Qaeda and Taliban.

Edited April 13, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[himher 634]

So sport, you're telling me that the Saudis didn't finance the Taliban?

Not as much as we did. Sport.

[Karee 4,190]

Not as much as we did. Sport.

You want me to dig up your quote? Apology accepted.

[himher 634]

That's an almost comical assertion. Hell, 15 of the 19 hi-jackers that perpetrated the mass murder on 9/11 were Saudis.

sarcasm meter is busted again

Oh I see so everyone who commits crimes of terrorism are sponsored by their home countries? So Al-Awlaki in Yemen since he is American is sponsored by the American government?

Wanna know what Saudis do with terrorists?

http://al-shorfa.com/en_GB/articles/meii/newsbriefs/2013/01/15/newsbrief-02

These guys will be pushing up daisies by late spring. Minus their heads.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Oh I see so everyone who commits crimes of terrorism are sponsored by their home countries? So Al-Awlaki in Yemen since he is American is sponsored by the American government?

I did not say that. I did, however, provide links that detail Saudi Arabia's central role in financing terrorism.

[himher 634]

You want me to dig up your quote? Apology accepted.

You could always play my favorite game "fun with numbers" with me and prove me wrong sport. Go.

[Karee 4,190]

You could always play my favorite game "fun with numbers" with me and prove me wrong sport. Go.

That's what I thought.

[himher 634]

That's what I thought.

Dam skippy that's what you thought. Here is what I say: The Saudis didn't provide a fraction of the military and financial aid to the Afghan Mujahideen that the US government provided. Now - go prove me wrong.

From your link:

Throughout the Sunni Muslim world, religious institutions for people both young and old, from children's maddrassas to high-level scholarships received Saudi funding,[11] "books, scholarships, fellowships, and mosques" (for example, "more than 1500 mosques were built and paid for with money obtained from public Saudi funds over the last 50 years"),[12] along with training in the Kingdom for the preachers and teachers who went on to teach and work at these universities, schools, mosques, etc.[13] The funding was also used to reward journalists and academics who followed the Saudis' strict interpretation of Islam; and satellite campuses were built around Egypt for Al Azhar, the world's oldest and most influential Islamic university.[14]

The interpretation of Islam promoted by this funding was the strict, conservative Saudi-based Wahhabism or Salafism. In its harshest form it preached that Muslims should not only "always oppose" infidels "in every way," but "hate them for their religion ... for Allah's sake," that democracy "is responsible for all the horrible wars of the 20th century," that Shia and other non-Wahhabi Muslims were "infidels", etc.[15] While this effort has by no means converted all, or even most, Muslims to the Wahhabist interpretation of Islam, it has done much to overwhelm more moderate local interpretations, and has set the Saudi-interpretation of Islam as the "gold standard" of religion in Muslims' minds.[16]

By its nature, Wahhabism encourages intolerance and promotes terrorism

So they provided funding for universities, mosques, and schools and we sent rifles and grenades and missles and all kinds of other cool stuff. Billions of dollars worth. ####### do you think that proves?

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention. Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[1] funding began with $20–30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[2] Funding continued after 1989 as the Mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during the Civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992).[3]

The U.S. offered two packages of economic assistance and military sales to support Pakistan's role in the war against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. The first six-year assistance package (1981–87) amounted to US$3.2 billion, equally divided between economic assistance and military sales. The U.S. also sold 40 F-16 aircraft to Pakistan during 1983–87 at a cost of $1.2 billion outside the assistance package. The second six-year assistance package (1987–93) amounted to $4.2 billion. Out of this, $2.28 billion were allocated for economic assistance in the form of grants or loan that carried the interest rate of 2–3 per cent. The rest of the allocation ($1.74 billion) was in the form of credit for military purchases.[13] Sale of non-U.S. arms to Pakistan for destination to Afghanistan was facilitated by Israel.[19] Somewhere between $3–$20 billion in U.S. funds were funneled into the country to train and equip Afghan resistance groups with weapons,[citation needed] including Stinger man-portable air-defense systems.

The program funding was increased yearly due to lobbying by prominent U.S. politicians and government officials, such as Charles Wilson, Gordon Humphrey, Fred Ikle, and William Casey. Under the Reagan administration, U.S. support for the Afghan mujahideen evolved into a centerpiece of U.S. foreign policy, called the Reagan Doctrine, in which the U.S. provided military and other support to anti-communist resistance movements in Afghanistan, Angola, Nicaragua, and elsewhere.

The mujahideen benefited from expanded foreign military support from the United States, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other Muslim nations. Saudi Arabia in particular agreed to match dollar for dollar the money the CIA was sending to the Mujahideen. When Saudi payments were late, Wilson and Avrakotos would fly to Saudi Arabia to persuade the monarchy to fulfill its commitments.[20]

Remember that? I do. Not a history buff are you. So our government pressured the Saudis to pony up the funding for the Afghan Mujahideen and now the Saudis are responsible for the rise of Al-Queda in Afghanistan?

Your answer?

Edited April 13, 2013 by himher

[sandinista! 1,816]

The Saudis are financing terrorism. The Taliban, AlQaeda, you name it. That's not exactly a secret. Germany, on the other hand, does not sponsor terrorism. It's not difficult.

Saudi Arabia and state sponsored terrorism

US fears on Taliban cash revealed

Leaked US cables show Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states as key sources for funds for al-Qaeda and Taliban.

The violence in Afghanistan and Pakistan is partly bankrolled by wealthy, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.[1] Three other Arab countries which are listed as sources of militant money are Qatar, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates, all neighbors of Saudi Arabia. Taliban and their militant partners the Haqqani network earn "significant funds" through UAE-based businesses. Kuwait is described as a "source of funds and a key transit point" for al-Qaida and other militant groups.[1][3] The Pakistani militant outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out the 2008 Mumbai attacks, used a Saudi-based front company to fund its activities in 2005.[1][4][\quote]

Every one of which is considered a buddy to the US, financially and in so many other ways.

[Karee 4,190]

Dam skippy that's what you thought. Here is what I say: The Saudis didn't provide a fraction of the military and financial aid to the Afghan Mujahideen that the US government provided. Now - go prove me wrong.

From your link:

Throughout the Sunni Muslim world, religious institutions for people both young and old, from children's maddrassas to high-level scholarships received Saudi funding,[11] "books, scholarships, fellowships, and mosques" (for example, "more than 1500 mosques were built and paid for with money obtained from public Saudi funds over the last 50 years"),[12] along with training in the Kingdom for the preachers and teachers who went on to teach and work at these universities, schools, mosques, etc.[13] The funding was also used to reward journalists and academics who followed the Saudis' strict interpretation of Islam; and satellite campuses were built around Egypt for Al Azhar, the world's oldest and most influential Islamic university.[14]

The interpretation of Islam promoted by this funding was the strict, conservative Saudi-based Wahhabism or Salafism. In its harshest form it preached that Muslims should not only "always oppose" infidels "in every way," but "hate them for their religion ... for Allah's sake," that democracy "is responsible for all the horrible wars of the 20th century," that Shia and other non-Wahhabi Muslims were "infidels", etc.[15] While this effort has by no means converted all, or even most, Muslims to the Wahhabist interpretation of Islam, it has done much to overwhelm more moderate local interpretations, and has set the Saudi-interpretation of Islam as the "gold standard" of religion in Muslims' minds.[16]

By its nature, Wahhabism encourages intolerance and promotes terrorism

So they provided funding for universities, mosques, and schools and we sent rifles and grenades and missles and all kinds of other cool stuff. Billions of dollars worth. ####### do you think that proves?

After you get done with your History lesson, I suggest you take some computer/internet classes at your local community college. I never posted a link.

[himher 634]

After you get done with your History lesson, I suggest you take some computer/internet classes at your local community college. I never posted a link.

I did. See above. History lesson ongoing. Come back after your briefing.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Here is what I say: The Saudis didn't provide a fraction of the military and financial aid to the Afghan Mujaheddin that the US government provided. Now - go prove me wrong.

What you are saying here is that you can't back up that claim you are making.

Now it is true that the US propped up the Afghan Mujaheddin while they were fighting the Soviets. But when US funding dried up, the Saudis and the UAE stepped up to the plate. I provided links to back that up earlier.

[Karee 4,190]

I did. See above. History lesson ongoing. Come back after your briefing.

From your link:

Does that help? What link did I post?

Edited April 13, 2013 by Karee