Two-Thirds of Americans Don't Want an Amendment to make Christianity the Official US Religion

[himher 634]

You seem to be confusing "institution" with acknowledgment.

You do get that this nation was based in large principle on Christian ideas, beliefs and tradition. Further more the vast majority of people have always been Christian. So it IS A CHRISTIAN NATION.

When we consider a Muslim country or the Muslim world.... does anyone stop and discount that generalization by pointing out there are Jews and CHristians there?

No.... because the mass of people, the culture and their laws reflect Islam.

Your argument is better founded to simply say "we are no longer a Christian Nation."

Your references to the Constitution are a little puzzling, when it simply says-

-prohibits Congress from infringing on people right to worship.

-Prohibits Congress from "establishing a religion.

How does some silly decree acknowledging, that our people and the basis for our law and culture is in large part due to the Christian faith (clearly more than any other) .. how does that establish a national religion or infringe on any one else's right to practice theirs?

You are puzzled? Really puzzled? Puzzled that a silly decree that establishes a religion might sound like asking congress to establish a religion? Puzzled? Really?

You might wanna reword my words right quick to say "we are a nation that does not infringe on a christian's or anyone else's right to practice their religion" like I said. No need to reword my posts.

Of course and people who love Basket ball can't seem to agree which team has more game but.... no one confuses that which is the common denominator.

Basketball aside no one really believes that it would ever be sorted out peacefully either.

[himher 634]

That is one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a long time.

It doesn't "harm" people and anyone who would think it does is being ridiculous. Having an official language encourages people to speak the same language as their country-men and inevitably brings people together. That doesn't stop people from being different, or speaking other languages... but it will aid in integration and feelings of comfort.

No-one has a problem with people maintaining their language, culture or identity, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be some degree of assimilation and speaking the "language of the country" would be the first step.

Maybe a thread on that would be a great place to start that discussion.

Edited April 7, 2013 by himher

[Danno 1,228]

Who is we? I have only been a part of this nation for the fifty some odd years I have been alive. Our nation was established during May of 1775, or was it 1776? ...on July 2nd, or July 3rd, or July 4th, or sometime in August, anyways, it is easy to look up.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_history.html

Of course I speak broadly, using your ruler a newborn child has a two hour connection.

While I try not to correct those more able than me but if you will allow me?

NAtions aren't really "founded" though they can be.

For instance -How many indian Nations were there when Europeans arrived and what are the dates of their founding?

Of course there is not good answer and yet we know there were nations here why?

Because words still have meanings.

nation |ˈnā sh ən|

noun

a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory : leading industrialized nations.

Bonus question- For whom was the Constitution founded for?

[himher 634]

Of course I speak broadly, using your ruler a newborn child has a two hour connection.

While I try not to correct those more able than me but if you will allow me?

NAtions aren't really "founded" though they can be.

For instance -How many indian Nations were there when Europeans arrived and what are the dates of their founding?

Of course there is not good answer and yet we know there were nations here why?

Because words still have meanings.

nation |ˈnā sh ən|

noun

a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory : leading industrialized nations.

Bonus question- For whom was the Constitution founded for?

Answer: Me. And I care little for the prospect of being hacked up or crushed to death by stones or subject to tortuous inquisition by a mob of snake-handlers if I choose to believe that the earth revolves around the sun rather than vice versa.

Edited April 7, 2013 by himher

[Danno 1,228]

You are puzzled? Really puzzled? Puzzled that a silly decree that establishes a religion might sound like asking congress to establish a religion? Puzzled? Really?

You might wanna reword my words right quick to say "we are a nation that does not infringe on a christian's or anyone else's right to practice their religion" like I said. No need to reword my posts.

Basketball aside no one really believes that it would ever be sorted out peacefully either.

My friend it doesn't establish any thing it simply acknowledges.

But lets assume the worse shall we and maybe I will see your concern with more clarity.

Be specific, what are your concerns.

Bibles would be brought back inot the schools as they were up until a few decades ago?

That people will be foreced to attend church (of their choosing of course.. it's still America)

That part of your tax money will go for putting flowers On Jerry falwells grave?

What mischief could this lead to?

[himher 634]

My friend it doesn't establish any thing it simply acknowledges.

But lets assume the worse shall we and maybe I will see your concern with more clarity.

Be specific, what are your concerns.

Bibles would be brought back inot the schools as they were up until a few decades ago?

That people will be foreced to attend church (of their choosing of course.. it's still America)

That part of your tax money will go for putting flowers On Jerry falwells grave?

What mischief could this lead to?

LOL I am your friend.

As to mischief see post #51. There is good to be had in returning spirituality to America true. Unfortunately in the excitement of it we could also turn our country into Ada, Ok with 17000 people, 50 churches, and a recent but notable knack for sending innocent people to death row for being different.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/291

http://www.jgrisham.com/the-innocent-man/

As to forcing people to attend church? You're kiddin' right?

Edited April 7, 2013 by himher

[Danno 1,228]

Answer: Me. And I care little for the prospect of being hacked up or crushed to death by stones or subject to tortuous inquisition by a mob of snake-handlers if I choose to believe that the earth revolves around the sun rather than vice versa.

Dude you do realize, each time you have made reference to some lurking horror .... you find yourself going back half a millennium?

Forgive me but I think your concern is misplaced, this country more dominated by Christianity than you even realize..... and where are the abuses, where are the attempts of churches trying to over throw the govt.

I think we all agree for any denomination or faction to to be anything more than a "conscience" (as MLK put it) would be a huge blunder.

Then you would have both corrupt Gov't (even more) and mass corruption of churches.

I don't think you appreciate the influence and domination, Christianity has had in this country and our people.

Right now we are unshackling ourselves from it at every court case and every election. (well most elections).

..... and I'm not sure many people would say we are becoming a better nation.

[himher 634]

Dude you do realize, each time you have made reference to some lurking horror .... you find yourself going back half a millennium?

Forgive me but I think your concern is misplaced, this country more dominated by Christianity than you even realize..... and where are the abuses, where are the attempts of churches trying to over throw the govt.

I think we all agree for any denomination or faction to to be anything more than a "conscience" (as MLK put it) would be a huge blunder.

Then you would have both corrupt Gov't (even more) and mass corruption of churches.

I don't think you appreciate the influence and domination, Christianity has had in this country and our people.

Right now we are unshackling ourselves from it at every court case and every election. (well most elections).

..... and I'm not sure many people would say we are becoming a better nation.

I think you missed my Ada, Ok links. Two of those boys are still in prison, and two were released after a pretty tortuous appeals process. You prolly want to brush up on that 50-church community.

Yes, I generally have to go back to before the Constitution was written. For this country. I only have to go back to the 90's to reference the troubles between the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland. They have no such constitutional ammendments and instead of 400 years of relative peace they have experienced 400 years of bloodshed over it.

Edited April 7, 2013 by himher

[decocker 7,198]

I don't think you appreciate the influence and domination, Christianity has had in this country and our people.

Right now we are unshackling ourselves from it at every court case and every election. (well most elections).

..... and I'm not sure many people would say we are becoming a better nation.

i've never seen such utter truth from danno.

we certainly aren't becoming a better nation, because we are absorbed with unshackling ourselves from the religious right at every turn.

[Danno 1,228]

LOL I am your friend.

As to mischief see post #51. There is good to be had in returning spirituality to America true. Unfortunately in the excitement of it we could also turn our country into Ada, Ok with 17000 people, 50 churches, and a recent but notable knack for sending innocent people to death row for being different.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/291

http://www.jgrisham.com/the-innocent-man/

Ahhh, you updated, a bit.

It's the churches fault that people are sent to death row?

Those same people also set up a system whereby the rights of the convicted are carefully observed which is one reason if I ask you to give me a list of innocent people executed, you would have a hard time doing so.

As far as I know it takes all members of the jury to put someone on death row....

are you suggesting every member on those juries are faithful Christians? Not one "back slider" or doubter to share the blame as well?

[himher 634]

i've never seen such utter truth from danno.

we certainly aren't becoming a better nation, because we are absorbed with unshackling ourselves from the religious right at every turn.

I'll straighten Danno out. I believe he means well.

[decocker 7,198]

I'll straighten Danno out. I believe he means well.

he's never dead on. let him have his moment of glory..

[Danno 1,228]

I think you missed my Ada, Ok links. Two of those boys are still in prison, and two were released after a pretty tortuous appeals process. You prolly want to brush up on that 50-church community.

Yes, I generally have to go back to before the Constitution was written. For this country. I only have to go back to the 90's to reference the troubles between the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland. They have no such constitutional ammendments and instead of 400 years of relative peace they have experienced 400 years of bloodshed over it.

Are you seriously extrapolating the politics / history and dynamics involved there to our country?

As far as I know those folks were not waring over the issue of - Baptism by submersion or sprinkle....

I'll straighten Danno out. I believe he means well.

I appreciate your confidence... and I am hoping to hear something to win me over to your conclusion.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

My friend it doesn't establish any thing it simply acknowledges.

But lets assume the worse shall we and maybe I will see your concern with more clarity.

Be specific, what are your concerns.

Bibles would be brought back inot the schools as they were up until a few decades ago?

That people will be foreced to attend church (of their choosing of course.. it's still America)

That part of your tax money will go for putting flowers On Jerry falwells grave?

What mischief could this lead to?

I heard a Southern Baptist Preacher talking one Sunday-- He said " When the churches are so full there is no room to pray. When you are praying soo much at home there is no more time to pray. When the chruches are packed 7 days a week... Then lets spend our energy on prayer in school. Until then let's take care of home and church.

[decocker 7,198]

danno has the armor of christ. you guys don't stand a chance.