French Senate to debate same-sex marriage bill

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Paris (CNN) -- The French Senate will debate a controversial bill Thursday that would extend the right to marry and adopt to same-sex couples.

The lower house has already approved the legislation, in the face of protests from those opposed to the measure.

If it passes the Senate, it would mark the biggest step forward for French gay rights advocates in more than a decade.

But the plan faces stiff opposition from the Roman Catholic Church, other religious groups and social conservatives, with huge numbers turning out for protest marches in Paris in recent weeks.

At the same time, the legislation has won wide backing from gay rights advocates.

France is not the only nation currently wrestling with the polarizing issue.

Uruguayan senators voted overwhelmingly in favor of a same-sex marriage measure Tuesday, despite vocal opposition from the Catholic Church. Next week, lawmakers in the lower house are expected to vote on the Senate's version.

Legislators in the United Kingdom are also weighing proposals to legalize same-sex marriage.

In the United States, the issue went before the Supreme Court last week, and justices are now deliberating over the matter.

Nine states and the District of Columbia issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, including three states -- Maryland, Washington, and Maine -- where voters approved it in ballot initiatives last year. The other 41 states have specific laws blocking gays and lesbians from legally marrying.

The first same-sex couples walked down the aisle in the Netherlands in 2001. Since then, almost a dozen countries have passed laws allowing same-sex marriages and domestic partnerships, including Canada, South Africa, Belgium and Spain.

In Argentina, the push to legalize same-sex marriage met with fierce opposition from the Roman Catholic Church, with Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio -- then the archbishop of Buenos Aires and now the pope -- engaging in a notorious war of words with the government over the issue. It was approved in 2010.

The issue also has divided Australia, where lawmakers voted against a bill to legalize same-sex marriage last September. A poll for the advocacy group Australian Marriage Equality indicated that 64% of those surveyed "support marriage equality."

Extending the right to marry and adopt to same-sex couples in France was one of President Francois Hollande's electoral pledges in campaigning last year.

The left, which includes Hollande's governing Socialist Party, dominates the National Assembly, where the bill passed by a large majority in February. The party has only a slim majority in the Senate.

The Senate debate is expected to continue into next week.

The issue has sparked strong reactions among ordinary voters, as well as their legislators.

Some 300,000 people turned out for a protest march staged less than two weeks ago, police in Paris told CNN affiliate BFM-TV.

Engineer Driss Houat, 69, told CNN Thursday he opposes the measure. "I am completely against it because God created man and woman so that they could be married. Not for anything else. It's absurd for me to see this bill pass," he said.

But Myriam Duru, 37, a manager at a Tommy Hilfiger store, disagrees.

"I am Muslim, so I believe in God. I think it's not a problem for me to accept. I don't understand people who think that God exists and can say 'I'm against the happiness of people,'" she said.

Alexis Nys, a 58-year-old salesman, said he supports same-sex marriage "because at the end it's love that matters. Not old things and old fashions. I think we need to live like we should live today."

A law legalizing civil unions was introduced in 1999 in France under a previous Socialist government.

Known in France as the PACS (pacte civil de solidarite), the civil union agreement can be entered into by same-sex or straight couples and confers many but not all of the rights of marriage.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/04/world/europe/france-same-sex-marriage/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Edited April 4, 2013 by Evylin

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

How is anything that happens in France relevant to anyone here?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Are you suggesting the US should exile all the gays to France? That seems very petty and small-minded of you.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

How is anything that happens in France relevant to anyone here?

How is anything that happens in India relevant to anyone here?

Perhaps you should petition that this forum be renamed to United States Politics and Religion if you're concerned.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Evylin

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

How is anything that happens in India relevant to anyone here?

We have people here from the region that post in this forum, not to mention, many of us actually find some things that happen in that region interesting, unlike anything that happens in France.

Edited April 4, 2013 by The Patriot

[Penny Lane 8,159]

So you're just trolling. Good to know.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

No. If I was trolling, I would post something like this:

Jesus loved guns.

Edited April 4, 2013 by The Patriot

[JohnR! 5,495]

How is anything that happens in France relevant to anyone here?

What happens in France is relevant to those who:

- are in a same-sex relationship with a French national

- are interested in current events.

- take an interest in European culture

- take an interest in European politics

- are planning to have a same-sex marriage on French soil.

- might be considering moving to France.

- have been/will be in France in the near future.

- have French ancestry.

- have family members residing in French or neighboring countries

The list could go on but I trust the items above to be sufficient to satisfy your question. Many who fall in the categories above may visit this forum with regularity.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Gegel

[decocker 7,198]

i sure would like the u.s to adopt the french work "ethic". 25 days on/345 off.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

What happens in France is relevant to those who:

- are in a same-sex relationship with a French national

- are interested in current events.

- take an interest in European culture

- take an interest in European politics

- are planning to have a same-sex marriage on French soil.

- might be considering moving to France.

- have been/will be in France in the near future.

- have French ancestry.

- have family members residing in French or neighboring countries

The list could go on but I trust the items above to be sufficient to satisfy your question.

So, nobody that regularly posts in this forum. Thanks for helping. Perhaps an organizer can move this thread to the appropriate forum.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

So, nobody that regularly posts in this forum. Thanks for helping. Perhaps an organizer can move this thread to the appropriate forum.

And all the other threads about laws being passed in any country that isn't the US. Get to reporting! There's quite a few.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

And all the other threads about laws being passed in any country that isn't the US. Get to reporting! There's quite a few.

Most of those countries are actually interesting.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Most of those countries are actually interesting.

Maybe they should make a forum for topics only interesting to you. Otherwise, suck it up, princess.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Thanks for helping.

You are welcome. Empathy is in short supply these days.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Paris (CNN) -- The French Senate will debate a controversial bill Thursday that would extend the right to marry and adopt to same-sex couples.

The lower house has already approved the legislation, in the face of protests from those opposed to the measure.

If it passes the Senate, it would mark the biggest step forward for French gay rights advocates in more than a decade.

But the plan faces stiff opposition from the Roman Catholic Church, other religious groups and social conservatives, with huge numbers turning out for protest marches in Paris in recent weeks.

At the same time, the legislation has won wide backing from gay rights advocates.

France is not the only nation currently wrestling with the polarizing issue.

Uruguayan senators voted overwhelmingly in favor of a same-sex marriage measure Tuesday, despite vocal opposition from the Catholic Church. Next week, lawmakers in the lower house are expected to vote on the Senate's version.

Legislators in the United Kingdom are also weighing proposals to legalize same-sex marriage.

In the United States, the issue went before the Supreme Court last week, and justices are now deliberating over the matter.

Nine states and the District of Columbia issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, including three states -- Maryland, Washington, and Maine -- where voters approved it in ballot initiatives last year. The other 41 states have specific laws blocking gays and lesbians from legally marrying.

The first same-sex couples walked down the aisle in the Netherlands in 2001. Since then, almost a dozen countries have passed laws allowing same-sex marriages and domestic partnerships, including Canada, South Africa, Belgium and Spain.

In Argentina, the push to legalize same-sex marriage met with fierce opposition from the Roman Catholic Church, with Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio -- then the archbishop of Buenos Aires and now the pope -- engaging in a notorious war of words with the government over the issue. It was approved in 2010.

The issue also has divided Australia, where lawmakers voted against a bill to legalize same-sex marriage last September. A poll for the advocacy group Australian Marriage Equality indicated that 64% of those surveyed "support marriage equality."

Extending the right to marry and adopt to same-sex couples in France was one of President Francois Hollande's electoral pledges in campaigning last year.

The left, which includes Hollande's governing Socialist Party, dominates the National Assembly, where the bill passed by a large majority in February. The party has only a slim majority in the Senate.

The Senate debate is expected to continue into next week.

The issue has sparked strong reactions among ordinary voters, as well as their legislators.

Some 300,000 people turned out for a protest march staged less than two weeks ago, police in Paris told CNN affiliate BFM-TV.

Engineer Driss Houat, 69, told CNN Thursday he opposes the measure. "I am completely against it because God created man and woman so that they could be married. Not for anything else. It's absurd for me to see this bill pass," he said.

But Myriam Duru, 37, a manager at a Tommy Hilfiger store, disagrees.

"I am Muslim, so I believe in God. I think it's not a problem for me to accept. I don't understand people who think that God exists and can say 'I'm against the happiness of people,'" she said.

Alexis Nys, a 58-year-old salesman, said he supports same-sex marriage "because at the end it's love that matters. Not old things and old fashions. I think we need to live like we should live today."

A law legalizing civil unions was introduced in 1999 in France under a previous Socialist government.

Known in France as the PACS (pacte civil de solidarite), the civil union agreement can be entered into by same-sex or straight couples and confers many but not all of the rights of marriage.

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What have Gays ever done to you. Why should they not have rights also ??/