NC Eliminates "Office ofLatino affairs."

[Teddy B 17,252]

You are aware Hispanics go for the party of Big-Gov at about 2/3.

Actually Danno, this is a very recent shift by Latino/Hispanic voters due to the strong immigration stance by the Republican party. Most Latino/Hispanic people are very religious and lean towards the right because of those beliefs, in the past most Latino/Hispanic voters pulled the Republican lever at voting time, and this could easily shift back if/when the Republicans loosen their stance on immigration.

[Danno 1,228]

Actually Danno, this is a very recent shift by Latino/Hispanic voters due to the strong immigration stance by the Republican party. Most Latino/Hispanic people are very religious and lean towards the right because of those beliefs, in the past most Latino/Hispanic voters pulled the Republican lever at voting time, and this could easily shift back if/when the Republicans loosen their stance on immigration.

While I don't totally discount your thoughts on that I would feel so much more comforted if I saw even a regional example of this.

What you are suggesting is that Hispanics will do what no other groups does -Vote against their interests.

Hispanics (especially illegals), when able will more often be on the dole than the average citizen,

are you going to suggest they are going to vote for a party which might cut some of these programs?

I don't think so.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Danno

[Teddy B 17,252]

While I don't totally discount your thoughts on that I would feel so much more comforted if I saw even a regional example of this.

What you are suggesting is that Hispanics will do what no other groups does -Vote against their interests.

Hispanics (especially illegals), when able will more often be on the dole than the average citizen,

are you going to suggest they are going to vote for a party which might cut some of these programs?

I don't think so.

Danno, please follow along. I did not adress illegals at all in my post. By law, illegals are not allowed to vote. I adressed Lation/Hispanic voters. Why you believe that illegals who are not allowed to vote, will vote for social programs is beyond me, but I guess that makes sense to you. Historically(up until the last 5 years or so), the majority of legal Hispanic/Latino voters have voted Republican.

[Darnell 8,479]

Danno, back to post #1.

An office of minority affairs has always been useful in the past, as it assisted that minority group in covering their concerns, addressing their concerns, during the time (1 year, 50 years, whatever) that the minority group needed to

assimilate into the USA and become 'Americanized'.

I view the closing of any 'minority affairs office' as a good thing - to me, is the signal that 'that minority group' was successful in their attempt to assimilate and become Americanized,

and thus ..

their concerns no longer exist.

It's a win-win, all the way round. That office was useful in education and outreach - is no longer needed, as this minority group has already successfully assimilated themselves in North Carolina.

Sorry you missed that point, really. It's in there, buried.

[Danno 1,228]

Danno, please follow along. I did not adress illegals at all in my post. By law, illegals are not allowed to vote. I adressed Lation/Hispanic voters. Why you believe that illegals who are not allowed to vote, will vote for social programs is beyond me, but I guess that makes sense to you. Historically(up until the last 5 years or so), the majority of legal Hispanic/Latino voters have voted Republican.

Oh really... and you believe that?

Now I see where your logic on the issue comes from.

I need you to contact PBS and let them know you have new info because according to them, you are dead wrong.

http://www.pbs.org/latinos08/explore.php

[Danno 1,228]

Actually Danno, this is a very recent shift by Latino/Hispanic voters due to the strong immigration stance by the Republican party. Most Latino/Hispanic people are very religious and lean towards the right because of those beliefs, in the past most Latino/Hispanic voters pulled the Republican lever at voting time, and this could easily shift back if/when the Republicans loosen their stance on immigration.

Oh and by the way, take note of how few Hispanics "flocked" to the GOP after Reagan got on board for amnesty.

Edited April 4, 2013 by Danno

[Teddy B 17,252]

Oh really... and you believe that?

Now I see where your logic on the issue comes from.

I need you to contact PBS and let them know you have new info because according to them, you are dead wrong.

http://www.pbs.org/latinos08/explore.php

That's outrageous!! I'm writing my letter to PBS as we speak.

[Danno 1,228]

You said illegals WILL vote a certain way. I'm asking why you believe that. You compared it to the sun coming up. I said "well, there is a precedent for the sun coming up, so that makes sense" ... is there a precedent for how illegals will vote? If not, it's nothing more than baseless speculation.

http://www.pbs.org/latinos08/explore.php

It is in pictures to make it easy.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

http://www.pbs.org/latinos08/explore.php

It is in pictures to make it easy.

Where's the breakdown that shows the voting patterns of the population in question: US citizens of Hispanic origin that are amnestied illegals who have since become US citizens? How does that segment vote? Where is that discussed in these links? Or does that simply not matter - i.e. is your claim that Latinos that immigrated legally have the very same voting pattern as those that did not? If so, what do you base that on?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

http://www.pbs.org/latinos08/explore.php

It is in pictures to make it easy.

And yet, those pictures don't answer a damn thing that's been asked of you. And you're still satisfied with your answer! Amazing.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

And yet, those pictures don't answer a damn thing that's been asked of you. And you're still satisfied with your answer! Amazing.

Danno provides the answers he likes. The actual questions be damned!

[Darnell 8,479]

And yet, those pictures don't answer a damn thing that's been asked of you. And you're still satisfied with your answer! Amazing.

maybe he's got some agenda, some attempt to infuriate you ? HTH !

[Teddy B 17,252]

Oh really... and you believe that?

Now I see where your logic on the issue comes from.

I need you to contact PBS and let them know you have new info because according to them, you are dead wrong.

http://www.pbs.org/latinos08/explore.php

Ok Danno, I'm going to throw you a bone here. Why, I don't know, but I will. I concede that my statement about the majority of Hispanic/Latino voters historically voting Republican was incorrect. However, there has been a recent shift in the Hispanic/Latino Republican base voters from Repubs to Democrat. As recently as 2004, 44% of Latino voters gave George Bush the nod. That number dwindled to 31% for McCain, and even less for Romney. The reason given by most people for this shift is the Republican hard line stance on immigration. If and when the Republicans ease their stance on immigration, they will get a good chunk of those Hispanic/Latino voters back.

51 percent of Hispanic-Latino registered voters are Democrats, with 31 percent Independents, and 18 percent Republican. But only 11 million are registered, and the push is on to register more Hispanic-Latino voters, particularly by the Democrats.

About two thirds of Hispanic-Latino voters have gone for the Democrats in their voting behavior in the past ten years, with the high point for Republicans being George W. Bush in 2004 with 44 percent, dropping to 31 percent for John McCain, and at the moment, 14 percent for Mitt Romney, who has taken a very hard line backing Arizona and other states which have passed discriminatory profiling laws.

My link

[Danno 1,228]

Ok Danno, I'm going to throw you a bone here. Why, I don't know, but I will. I concede that my statement about the majority of Hispanic/Latino voters historically voting Republican was incorrect. However, there has been a recent shift in the Hispanic/Latino Republican base voters from Repubs to Democrat. As recently as 2004, 44% of Latino voters gave George Bush the nod. That number dwindled to 31% for McCain, and even less for Romney. The reason given by most people for this shift is the Republican hard line stance on immigration. If and when the Republicans ease their stance on immigration, they will get a good chunk of those Hispanic/Latino voters back.

That you can admit your slight error on Hispanic voting is noted and appreciated.

Looking at your position I have to call in question your Point of view and here is why.

You seem to rest your case on 2004 as a high water mark in recent history, yet here we have

Bush who not only spoke spanish, but also put out a great effort to reach Hispanics... and had a number of high profile

Hispanics endorsing him. He also placed a number of Hispanics in high profile places and fully supported Amnesty and yet the most he got was less than half the Hispanics to support him, what more could he have done?

John McCain was one of the few spear-catchers on the very issue we are told we can win Hispanics on... Immigration reform. And how did Hispanics reward him? They didn't.

My position is this, there is nothing the GOP can promise or embrace that will outdo what The democrats will promise to do, certainly not enough to win over any sizable change in the trends.

So even though, Reagan granted Amnesty, Bush did all he could for more amnesty and John McCain stuck his neck out for Amnesty... where did it get the GOP?

The truth is, the GOP is between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand you have a rapidly growing segment which consistently votes for the party of Big Government both locally and nationally.

And on the other hand we are told the way to "win them" is to put more on the pathway to the voting booth.

And when these 12 mil are citizens they will be able to bring in even more.... not to mention the next batch which also comes across the border.

We have imported (willingly or not) 40 million immigrants in the last several decades, these folks come from the third world, they are going to vote for "more government" not less.

Once the population of TX or Fl. reach the tipping point, the GOP is finished as a national party. They simply will no longer have the elector votes to win the white-house.

This is why I advise people who are into gun-rights to enjoy that PRIVILEGE now.... because it is on the way out as are many other things.

But instead they look at the momentary victory ignoring the momentum.

[Teddy B 17,252]

That you can admit your slight error on Hispanic voting is noted and appreciated.

Looking at your position I have to call in question your Point of view and here is why.

You seem to rest your case on 2004 as a high water mark in recent history, yet here we have

Bush who not only spoke spanish, but also put out a great effort to reach Hispanics... and had a number of high profile

Hispanics endorsing him. He also placed a number of Hispanics in high profile places and fully supported Amnesty and yet the most he got was less than half the Hispanics to support him, what more could he have done?

John McCain was one of the few spear-catchers on the very issue we are told we can win Hispanics on... Immigration reform. And how did Hispanics reward him? They didn't.

My position is this, there is nothing the GOP can promise or embrace that will outdo what The democrats will promise to do, certainly not enough to win over any sizable change in the trends.

So even though, Reagan granted Amnesty, Bush did all he could for more amnesty and John McCain stuck his neck out for Amnesty... where did it get the GOP?

The truth is, the GOP is between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand you have a rapidly growing segment which consistently votes for the party of Big Government both locally and nationally.

And on the other hand we are told the way to "win them" is to put more on the pathway to the voting booth.

And when these 12 mil are citizens they will be able to bring in even more.... not to mention the next batch which also comes across the border.

We have imported (willingly or not) 40 million immigrants in the last several decades, these folks come from the third world, they are going to vote for "more government" not less.

Once the population of TX or Fl. reach the tipping point, the GOP is finished as a national party. They simply will no longer have the elector votes to win the white-house.

This is why I advise people who are into gun-rights to enjoy that PRIVILEGE now.... because it is on the way out as are many other things.

But instead they look at the momentary victory ignoring the momentum.

My point of view is this. The majority of Hispanics are religious people, the majority of Republicans are religious people, the two go hand in hand for the most part. The only thing I see preventing the religious sector of Hispanics voting Republican now and in the future, is the immigration issue. The immigration issue has become more importat than their religious beliefs when it comes to politics. Yes Bush and McCain did their fair share of window dressing, but the Republican party as a whole, have not. This window dressing is not enough for the Hispanic community, they want a path to citizenship for the immigrants that are here now, both legally and illegally, and it appears they're going to get it. Whether it comes from the Dems or the Repubs remains to be seen. But right now the Dems are in the drivers seat for sure.