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People who are underage should not be able to make life-or-death commitments. Even with parental approval.

But a 13 year old can go to a clinic without a parents permission? hmmmmmm

Marc,

Do you see JROTC in the schools as a fundamental civil right?

JROTC is a club like situation. kinda like the boy scouts.

BUt schools can not fund Boy Scouts! The SC declared them a private organization and their policy to discriminate in hiring and membership as constitutional. Schools can only allow their facilities to be used in after hours by the Scouts. JROTC is part of the school curriculum. Big difference.

[DeadPoolX 9]

So as you can see, both JROTC and ROTC are not "recruitment programs." They DO NOT go looking for you; you have to seek them out and join up. I hope this has cleared up some of the common misconceptions about the JROTC and ROTC programs on our school campuses.

That assumes that having kids parade around in a military-like activity while becoming familiar with the U.S. military does not function as a form of recruitment.

You know, the actual military recruitment office at my school (UW-Madison) did not go seeking us all out either.

And why is it that JROTC is always in those poorer high schools? There certainly is no demand for JROTC in the suburbs.

That was almost as educational as the time you taught me about Jews.

First of all, I can't really believe you are so ignorant as to believe the garbage you spouted before about the Jewish people. Only a complete fool would generalize to that extent. I am sincerely hoping that you are not such an individual, but only time will tell.

As for JROTC, I've seen them here in all sorts of high schools. Maybe it's different in Texas. But here's just an activity, like football (which is much more popular than JROTC) to many students and parents. Come to think of it, I can't recall ever hearing a complaint about JROTC -- and I grew up in an affluent neighborhood and went to a so-called "rich school."

I'm familiar with the military. I've taken a class before called "Military and War in America." Does this mean I'm indoctrinated by the U.S. Armed Forces into becoming a puppet for their agenda? No, it does not. It merely means I am educated about the history and practices of the American military, and that's all the students in JROTC really get -- a military-style education and historical lessons. They are not being sent off to war.

[Alex+R 0]

So as you can see, both JROTC and ROTC are not "recruitment programs." They DO NOT go looking for you; you have to seek them out and join up. I hope this has cleared up some of the common misconceptions about the JROTC and ROTC programs on our school campuses.

That assumes that having kids parade around in a military-like activity while becoming familiar with the U.S. military does not function as a form of recruitment.

You know, the actual military recruitment office at my school (UW-Madison) did not go seeking us all out either.

And why is it that JROTC is always in those poorer high schools? There certainly is no demand for JROTC in the suburbs.

That was almost as educational as the time you taught me about Jews.

First of all, I can't really believe you are so ignorant as to believe the garbage you spouted before about the Jewish people. Only a complete fool would generalize to that extent. I am sincerely hoping that you are not such an individual, but only time will tell.

As for JROTC, I've seen them here in all sorts of high schools. Maybe it's different in Texas. But here's just an activity, like football (which is much more popular than JROTC) to many students and parents. Come to think of it, I can't recall ever hearing a complaint about JROTC -- and I grew up in an affluent neighborhood and went to a so-called "rich school."

I'm familiar with the military. I've taken a class before called "Military and War in America." Does this mean I'm indoctrinated by the U.S. Armed Forces into becoming a puppet for their agenda? No, it does not. It merely means I am educated about the history and practices of the American military, and that's all the students in JROTC really get -- a military-style education and historical lessons. They are not being sent off to war.

JROTC is an activity that happens during school hours. That's the difference between JROTC and football. It's not about indoctrination, it's about kids wasting time in school marching around a football field (and yes, that is part of what they do) all the while seeing the military as more of an option for their futures (whether this is good or bad is a matter of opinion).

FYI, I'm Jewish.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

JROTC is a good program and they aren't the only ones marching in HS. I wasn't in JROTC in HS but I joined CAP (Civil Air Patrol) and we learned how to march, wore uniforms, etc. Young teenagers need to feel they belong to something (sports, music, etc). JROTC is one of those ways.

Also want to add that (ROTC) is in preparation for becoming an officer as opposed to being enlisted. So the focus of the training is in leadership as well as preparing the trainees for the military.

[Alex+R 0]

JROTC is a good program and they aren't the only ones marching in HS. I wasn't in JROTC in HS but I joined CAP (Civil Air Patrol) and we learned how to march, wore uniforms, etc. Young teenagers need to feel they belong to something (sports, music, etc). JROTC is one of those ways.

Also want to add that (ROTC) is in preparation for becoming an officer as opposed to being enlisted. So the focus of the training is in leadership as well as preparing the trainees for the military.

Do you think the fact that JROTC happens as part of the curriculum is a good idea? I tend to think not. Football players or cheerleaders also wore uniforms on game day, just as JROTC kids wore their uniforms on Tuesdays or something, but they practiced after school. Why is the military allowed to be part of classroom time?

[GaryC 7]

JROTC is a good program and they aren't the only ones marching in HS. I wasn't in JROTC in HS but I joined CAP (Civil Air Patrol) and we learned how to march, wore uniforms, etc. Young teenagers need to feel they belong to something (sports, music, etc). JROTC is one of those ways.

Also want to add that (ROTC) is in preparation for becoming an officer as opposed to being enlisted. So the focus of the training is in leadership as well as preparing the trainees for the military.

Thank you Steven.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

JROTC is an activity that happens during school hours. That's the difference between JROTC and football.

Actually, Alex, my son is currently in marching band and they meet during one of the periods while school is in session to practice marching on the field. I personally don't see any difference between the two.

[Alex+R 0]

JROTC is an activity that happens during school hours. That's the difference between JROTC and football.

Actually, Alex, my son is currently in marching band and they meet during one of the periods while school is in session to practice marching on the field. I personally don't see any difference between the two.

I don't either. I think they should practice marching around after school. But it is just my opinion.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

JROTC is a good program and they aren't the only ones marching in HS. I wasn't in JROTC in HS but I joined CAP (Civil Air Patrol) and we learned how to march, wore uniforms, etc. Young teenagers need to feel they belong to something (sports, music, etc). JROTC is one of those ways.

Also want to add that (ROTC) is in preparation for becoming an officer as opposed to being enlisted. So the focus of the training is in leadership as well as preparing the trainees for the military.

Thank you Steven.

However.... I am against the recruiters being on the HS campuses. I don't think they should be talking to the kids who are under 18.

[Carol&Marc 0]

JROTC is a good program and they aren't the only ones marching in HS. I wasn't in JROTC in HS but I joined CAP (Civil Air Patrol) and we learned how to march, wore uniforms, etc. Young teenagers need to feel they belong to something (sports, music, etc). JROTC is one of those ways.

Also want to add that (ROTC) is in preparation for becoming an officer as opposed to being enlisted. So the focus of the training is in leadership as well as preparing the trainees for the military.

Thank you Steven.

DITTO the thumbs Steve, oooops bad word , In the spirit of bipartisanship

[DeadPoolX 9]

JROTC is an activity that happens during school hours. That's the difference between JROTC and football. It's not about indoctrination, it's about kids wasting time in school marching around a football field (and yes, that is part of what they do) all the while seeing the military as more of an option for their futures (whether this is good or bad is a matter of opinion).

FYI, I'm Jewish.

I'm Jewish too.

Anyway...

I don't understand the objection to JROTC being an elective class. If it were a requirement, then yes, I could see the problem (and perhaps I'd join in on the opposing side), but if students need to volunteer to enter the program and get parental permission, where is this going wrong?

While I do agree that marching, in of itself, is a waste of time, the core values, education, and historical lessons learned from JROTC are invaluable. I wish I had taken advantage of such opportunities when I was younger. Unfortunately, I didn't.

I've known people in JROTC before, and many have taken it as a course because it's different and interesting, as opposed to most courses in high school. They had no aspirations of becoming a soldier or an officer in the military, before or after they went into the program.

[GaryC 7]

JROTC is a good program and they aren't the only ones marching in HS. I wasn't in JROTC in HS but I joined CAP (Civil Air Patrol) and we learned how to march, wore uniforms, etc. Young teenagers need to feel they belong to something (sports, music, etc). JROTC is one of those ways.

Also want to add that (ROTC) is in preparation for becoming an officer as opposed to being enlisted. So the focus of the training is in leadership as well as preparing the trainees for the military.

Thank you Steven.

However.... I am against the recruiters being on the HS campuses. I don't think they should be talking to the kids who are under 18.

Didn't hurt me any. I did the delayed enlistment and got the school I wanted after boot camp. I also got E-4 rank after Navy school was done. It was a really great deal for me. It's like anything else. If you don't like it then don't do it. But please don't make that decision for others.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

JROTC is an activity that happens during school hours. That's the difference between JROTC and football.

Actually, Alex, my son is currently in marching band and they meet during one of the periods while school is in session to practice marching on the field. I personally don't see any difference between the two.

I don't either. I think they should practice marching around after school. But it is just my opinion.

That's understandable and my son meets after school as well. In fact I'm picking him up 3 nights a week - they practice for a couple of hours - it's very demanding but he really enjoys it. My daughter, who was in Cheer - they also had a period where they practiced during school. I believe that JROTC, Marching Band and Cheer are considered fulfilling the students PE requirements.

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Ah. In the schools around here they make them take PE PLUS whatever activities they're in. I think your school district has an idea there.

But with JROTC the marching is only part of it. Maybe that part could serve as gym and the rest could be done after school?

[mybackpages 0]

So as you can see, both JROTC and ROTC are not "recruitment programs." They DO NOT go looking for you; you have to seek them out and join up. I hope this has cleared up some of the common misconceptions about the JROTC and ROTC programs on our school campuses.

That assumes that having kids parade around in a military-like activity while becoming familiar with the U.S. military does not function as a form of recruitment.

You know, the actual military recruitment office at my school (UW-Madison) did not go seeking us all out either.

And why is it that JROTC is always in those poorer high schools? There certainly is no demand for JROTC in the suburbs.

That was almost as educational as the time you taught me about Jews.

First of all, I can't really believe you are so ignorant as to believe the garbage you spouted before about the Jewish people. Only a complete fool would generalize to that extent. I am sincerely hoping that you are not such an individual, but only time will tell.

As for JROTC, I've seen them here in all sorts of high schools. Maybe it's different in Texas. But here's just an activity, like football (which is much more popular than JROTC) to many students and parents. Come to think of it, I can't recall ever hearing a complaint about JROTC -- and I grew up in an affluent neighborhood and went to a so-called "rich school."

I'm familiar with the military. I've taken a class before called "Military and War in America." Does this mean I'm indoctrinated by the U.S. Armed Forces into becoming a puppet for their agenda? No, it does not. It merely means I am educated about the history and practices of the American military, and that's all the students in JROTC really get -- a military-style education and historical lessons. They are not being sent off to war.

I have no doubt that JROTC classes have good benefots for students. They learn discipline, self-esteem, develop a sense of community etc. The same as any other elective course (football, speech and debate, marching band, drama). I also have no problem with a student who is interested in the military as a career choice and JROTC certainly gives this type of student access to the military world before finishing high school.

The difference as I see it is that JROTC is taught by active uniformed members of the military. There is an indirect recruitment effect. If a school district does not want to open the door to indirectly promote military service, I think that is a positive thing.