Murders fall 42 percent in America's deadliest city: Chicago

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I didnt lump you into that category. There is no need to personally take general discussion and general statistics and apply them to yourself. The referenced violence and criminal synonyms are derived from published, free to all, and easily obtainable numbers. NONE of the published, free to all, and easily obtainable numbers imply that every single member of any one community engages in violent crime or murder or any other destructive "activity under discussion of the day".

From your side I am wondering why you and your colleagues are incapable of seeing that if I or anyone else comments / has harsh words on the murders or comments / has harsh words on the crimes and those who commit them or comments / has harsh words for those responsible for protecting them the empathy is with the victims and in that you will find no post, no implied words, no reason to believe that any of us feel that the victims somehow deserve what they have to live with. Can you? I suspect you can think back and maybe think that I and others who you call ignorant racists are color-blind in regards to those victims. You and your colleagues attack us daily when we speak up or speak out about those victims and the failures to protect those victims when in fact those victims are entitled to your empathy as well and those who victimize them or fail to protect them need to be called out.

Do they get it from you? No. No words from you for the victims and a stout defense for those who fail them followed by rallying cry to brand those who do question or comment ignorant or racist. The best you and your colleagues can offer is attack/name-calling to anyone who dares to consider speaking up for them or dares to challenge the excuses made for those who victimize them. If you make excuses for people who victimize other people I will call you out no matter where you are from or what color you are.

It is common to mistake southern slang for ignorance. You aren't the first and won't be the last to fall off that cliff.

Wow that was quite interesting, you say you are speaking out for the victims, and from this post, I would say that that's an admirable endeavor, except:

You say you have compassion for the victims, yet you always talk about the black community with disdain, consistently happening around you color, your exact words. When you type, there is no compassion, just finger pointing, at the black community, and only them. Your harsh words on us, only on us, period. Even when Spooky talked about MLK's dream, you had to turn it into an attack. You've used words you know are deemed racist and yet you say you care about the victims?

And lets be clear about something. You don't speak slang to other members on here, so don't insult me by using it when we conversate. I find it highly offensive that with other members you speak proper english, but when I get involved you devolve your speaking skills to use words that haven't been in circulation years.

Edited April 6, 2013 by Su and Marvin

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Wow that was quite interesting, you say you are speaking out for the victims, and from this post, I would say that that's an admirable endeavor, except:

You say you have compassion for the victims, yet you always talk about the black community with disdain, consistently happening around you color, your exact words. When you type, there is no compassion, just finger pointing, at the black community, and only them. Your harsh words on us, only on us, period. Even when Spooky talked about MLK's dream, you had to turn it into an attack. You've used words you know are deemed racist and yet you say you care about the victims?

And lets be clear about something. You don't speak slang to other members on here, so don't insult me by using it when we conversate. I find it highly offensive that with other members you speak proper english, but when I get involved you devolve your speaking skills to use words that haven't been in circulation years.

Now that Illinois has concealed carry, there will be a lot less victims.

Incidentally under the ruling they must also grant reciprocity to other states concealed carry licenses. Most popular...UTAH There are Utah concealed carry classes being offered all over the state of Illinois and even before the Illinois law goes into effect, either by June 9th by Legislative action or by June 9th by court order...Illinoisans will be carrying concealed using the permits of other states

Utah is the most popular because it is relatively inexpensive, does not have a shooting requirement (classroom only) and can be issued to non-residents without ever actually going to Utah

Rejoice Marvin. There will soon be less crime and less young men, black and white, killed in Chicago.

Aren't you happy?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

maybe when you were talking about compassion towards victims you were referring to a specific victim? not trying to stun, i'm trying to understand. this doesn't add up in my liberal mind.

I am talking about reducing the number of victims. Every jurisdiction which has introduced concealed carry has had a reduction in crime rates. Illinois will be the same. There will be LESS victims and that is a good thing. It is even compassionate.

If Illinois is like other states, once they find out the low information people were wrong...they will make changes to allow easier access to concealed permits, perhaps even eliminate them and allow freedom for everyone. As more people obtain the permits and the potential of encountering and armed victim increases, crime will fall further.

The most compassionate thing anyone could do would be to allow any person to carry concealed handguns without a permit. There would be a precipitous drop in the number of victims

[Karee 4,190]

Utah is the most popular because it is relatively inexpensive, does not have a shooting requirement (classroom only) and can be issued to non-residents without ever actually going to Utah

So you think it's a good idea for a bunch of people running around carrying a concealed weapon who have never fired a gun before?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Now that Illinois has concealed carry, there will be a lot less victims.

Incidentally under the ruling they must also grant reciprocity to other states concealed carry licenses. Most popular...UTAH There are Utah concealed carry classes being offered all over the state of Illinois and even before the Illinois law goes into effect, either by June 9th by Legislative action or by June 9th by court order...Illinoisans will be carrying concealed using the permits of other states

Utah is the most popular because it is relatively inexpensive, does not have a shooting requirement (classroom only) and can be issued to non-residents without ever actually going to Utah

Rejoice Marvin. There will soon be less crime and less young men, black and white, killed in Chicago.

Aren't you happy?

What about the kids, Gary? You know the ones under 18 that are being killed daily?

[decocker 7,198]

The most compassionate thing anyone could do would be to allow any person to carry concealed handguns without a permit. There would be a precipitous drop in the number of victims

any person can carry a concealed handgun without a permit. as you guys have pointed out over and over again, gun control only keeps the good guys unarmed. people with ill intentions do what they will. you're misapplying the word compassion here. try 'indifferent'..

[Penny Lane 8,159]

What about the kids, Gary? You know the ones under 18 that are being killed daily?

Arm them too.

[himher 634]

Your answer

Wow that was quite interesting, you say you are speaking out for the victims, and from this post, I would say that that's an admirable endeavor, except:

You say you have compassion for the victims, yet you always talk about the black community with disdain, consistently happening around you color, your exact words. I speak of what happens, who does it, and who allows it to happen, and who tolerates and excuses it with disdain yes.

When you type, there is no compassion, just finger pointing, at the black community, and only them. Specifically at what about the black community? Crime? Violence? Tolerance of it? When we conversate it ain't skin color

Your harsh words on us, only on us, period. Really? Because I lump all liberals together with the worst in the black community. We had a think/feel conversation the other day and some names were mentioned. They were all out of the black community but I respect them as leaders. Nothing I say about liberals or criminals or corrupt leaders or murderers in the black community is worse than what the black community says about Condoleezza Rice or Alan Keyes.

Even when Spooky talked about MLK's dream, you had to turn it into an attack. No mention of MLK's dream alongside a speech about MLK's dream made by someone who turned out to be nothing more than a corrupt politician in the city with the #1 murder rate in America, exceeding even war zones, warrants anything but contempt.

You've used words you know are deemed racist and yet you say you care about the victims? NOTE: In the liberal mind, everything said about taking personal responsibility for oneself and ones community is deemed racist. hohum and as if being branded as such for this reason is anything new?

And lets be clear about something. You don't speak slang to other members on here, so don't insult me by using it when we conversate. Conversate? Really? We conversate? See below. Remember when you introduced me to the urban dictionary? OOPS

I find it highly offensive that with other members you speak proper english, but when I get involved you devolve your speaking skills to use words that haven't been in circulation years. Um yeah. Right. Got that. Circulation years? You mean circulation in years? You talking down to me? Years you say? Like say back when I got picked up at 6:10 and transported across town back in the 80's and learned them? Are they racist? Really? Insulting? You're talking to the wrong dude about that. Again, see below.

According to the urban dictionary: This is a direct quote:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=conversate

conversate:

A word used by backwards, ignorant, illiterate inner city trash who mean to say 'converse'

"Yo, I just needs to conversate witcha!"

I might get dinged for that but being dinged for a quote taken out of a reference that you, thank you, introduced me to would be, I think, worth it.

Marvin logic 101:

"I want to use slang in speaking to you in the very sentence where I demand that you not use slang when you are speaking to me"

Goes with "we want to use the "n" word but we are offended when you do it"

Goes with "we want our separate organizations for ourselves and programs for ourselves but we are offended if you separate yourselves from us"

Here is, however, an example of the line of logic within the community itself that disgusts me the most:

The Reverend Jesse Jackson says that GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain’s notion that “Blacks can succeed in America without the helping hand of government is an insult to our race. I’m not saying that Cain’s life story isn’t a remarkable demonstration of perseverance and accomplishment, but it isn’t a model for others.”

Jackson labeled Cain’s rise from a childhood of poverty to a career of corporate and financial success “atypical.” “Just because Cain is the kind of person who benefited from the freedom to pursue his own dream doesn’t mean that freedom is the magic formula for everyone,” Jackson opined. “His contention that Blacks have been brainwashed into believing that voting for handouts is in their best interest is flat out wrong. Considering that the average Black person’s talents and opportunities fall far short of Cain’s, it should be clear that our voting patterns have been consistently in our interests.”

Your turn to conversate - yo

con·ver·sate

[kon-ver-seyt]

verb (used without object), con·ver·sat·ed, con·ver·sat·ing. Nonstandard except in some dialects.

to have a conversation; converse; talk.

Edited April 6, 2013 by himher

[himher 634]

What about the kids, Gary? You know the ones under 18 that are being killed daily?

By killers that are on the 'catch and release' program until they finally kill someone? Who is in charge of 'catch and release' anyway?

Edited April 6, 2013 by himher

[himher 634]

Now that Illinois has concealed carry, there will be a lot less victims.

Incidentally under the ruling they must also grant reciprocity to other states concealed carry licenses. Most popular...UTAH There are Utah concealed carry classes being offered all over the state of Illinois and even before the Illinois law goes into effect, either by June 9th by Legislative action or by June 9th by court order...Illinoisans will be carrying concealed using the permits of other states

Utah is the most popular because it is relatively inexpensive, does not have a shooting requirement (classroom only) and can be issued to non-residents without ever actually going to Utah

Rejoice Marvin. There will soon be less crime and less young men, black and white, killed in Chicago.

Aren't you happy?

You are kindly and politely requested to show respect and use proper english when you conversate with Marvin because he demands and requires this respect while conversating.

Reworded for you: Less crime and fewer young men, black and white....

Hey dude don't thank me. It was nothing. Really. Just conversating here.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Your answer

According to the urban dictionary: This is a direct quote:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=conversate

conversate:

A word used by backwards, ignorant, illiterate inner city trash who mean to say 'converse'

"Yo, I just needs to conversate witcha!"

I might get dinged for that but being dinged for a quote taken out of a reference that you, thank you, introduced me to would be, I think, worth it.

Marvin logic 101:

"I want to use slang in speaking to you in the very sentence where I demand that you not use slang when you are speaking to me"

Goes with "we want to use the "n" word but we are offended when you do it"

Goes with "we want our separate organizations for ourselves and programs but we are offended if you separate yourselves from us"

Here is, however, an example of the line of logic within the community itself that disgusts me the most:

The Reverend Jesse Jackson says that GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain’s notion that “Blacks can succeed in America without the helping hand of government is an insult to our race. I’m not saying that Cain’s life story isn’t a remarkable demonstration of perseverance and accomplishment, but it isn’t a model for others.”

Jackson labeled Cain’s rise from a childhood of poverty to a career of corporate and financial success “atypical.” “Just because Cain is the kind of person who benefited from the freedom to pursue his own dream doesn’t mean that freedom is the magic formula for everyone,” Jackson opined. “His contention that Blacks have been brainwashed into believing that voting for handouts is in their best interest is flat out wrong. Considering that the average Black person’s talents and opportunities fall far short of Cain’s, it should be clear that our voting patterns have been consistently in our interests.”

Your turn to conversate - yo

[Darnell 8,478]

huh? conversate? really? that's a made up word, and since it's been noted, it's been tracked over the past 20 years.

Some consider it slang, but it's a made up word.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

So you think it's a good idea for a bunch of people running around carrying a concealed weapon who have never fired a gun before?

Why would you think they have never fired a gun? Seems an unusual, even outrageously ignorant, conclusion to make. Dare I say "biased". You actually believe that people who have never fired a gun will get a concealed carry permit and "run around" with them? Really?

That's asinine.

Concealed carry classes (where required, not all states even require ANY instruction) do NOT teach people to shoot. EVER. They teach about the laws regarding the use of deadly force. SOME states have a shooting test, usually requiring 10 shots at 7 yards on a man sized silhouette and requiring 6 "hits". Illinois' law will require that in order to receive reciprocity a state MUST require a class of at least 10 hours. Illinois' law will not require a shooting component either.

The reason that the Utah class is favored in Illinois is that many of the classes are being done in urban areas (Chicago!) where a shooting component would be difficult to comply with due to facilitation.

If anyone here thinks for a moment that a concealed carry class teaches people to shoot it only demonstrates their ignorance of the issue. Please inform yourself...then post

Gary

Concealed Carry Instructor, Texas.

[himher 634]

huh? conversate? really? that's a made up word, and since it's been noted, it's been tracked over the past 20 years.

Some consider it slang, but it's a made up word.

Well lemme introduce you to some rules of engagement

1. Marvin can use made up words on VJ while he lectures us on what is offensive

2. You and I cannot use slang or made up words because if we do it is offensive to Marvin

Get that? Marvin can conversate but you, and I, and everyone else, must converse.

[decocker 7,198]

huh? conversate? really? that's a made up word, and since it's been noted, it's been tracked over the past 20 years.

Some consider it slang, but it's a made up word.

yeah. urban dictionary is an open site and very loosely edited, not sure everyone here knows that..it ain't cambridge.