American woman gang raped in Brazil

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Is it wrong to hope their death also takes 6 hours?

Maybe they were drunk and she was asking for it? You never know!

Though maybe that only applies if the rapists are good old American boys.

Edited April 2, 2013 by Evylin

[Danno 1,228]

Maybe they were drunk and she was asking for it? You never know!

here let me throw under-hand and lets see if you can catch it.

You seem to have this ongoing problem drawing a distinction between the two concepts

1. Do things to avoid becoming a victim.

2. Punish people who harm victims.

Sounds to me like the women was simply on the bus with her husband... what is it you are accusing her of?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

here let me throw under-hand and lets see if you can catch it.

You seem to have this ongoing problem drawing a distinction between the two concepts

1. Do things to avoid becoming a victim.

2. Punish people who harm victims.

Sounds to me like the women was simply on the bus with her husband... what is it you are accusing her of?

I'm not accusing her of anything. I'm reacting the exact same way YOU reacted when a young girl got raped.

In this story, your reaction is "how horrible, I hope they die a long and slow death"

In the other story, your reaction was "she shouldn't have been there, she made it easy for them to rape her"

So it seems that you have different levels of sympathy for rape victims depending on what they were doing at the time, and different levels of hatred and wanting punishment for the rapists depending on when/why they rape.

Brilliant!

Funny how you think I'm accusing this girl of something when I'm repeating the basic ideas/theories you gave in a thread about a different rape. Yet when you do it, you try to tell me you aren't blaming the victim.

Dannologic at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.

Edited April 2, 2013 by Evylin

[Ban Hammer 13,782]

Funny how you think I'm accusing this girl of something when I'm repeating the basic ideas/theories you gave in a thread about a different rape. Yet when you do it, you try to tell me you aren't blaming the victim.

an admission of baiting. don't see that every day on the site.

now stop while you're ahead.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

an admission of baiting. don't see that every day on the site.

now stop while you're ahead.

Wait, what? How the hell was that comment baiting? Am I not allowed to discuss previous conversations?

[Ban Hammer 13,782]

Wait, what? How the hell was that comment baiting? Am I not allowed to discuss previous conversations?

using someone's comments from another thread to create drama in another thread is not advised. you admitted doing so - i can only guess at the motivations - and i'm sure the motivation isn't tos compliant. proceed with caution.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

using someone's comments from another thread to create drama in another thread is not advised. you admitted doing so - i can only guess at the motivations - and i'm sure the motivation isn't tos compliant. proceed with caution.

"Proceed with caution"?

I am not creating drama. I'm asking why two different rape stories got such drastically different responses from the same person.

I wasn't aware of the rule that I wasn't allowed to bring up past conversations about the same topic.

Funny how being super offensive in one rape story is all well and good. But bringing it up again? Then you need to PROCEED WITH CAUTION.

[Danno 1,228]

I'm not accusing her of anything. I'm reacting the exact same way YOU reacted when a young girl got raped.

In this story, your reaction is "how horrible, I hope they die a long and slow death"

In the other story, your reaction was "she shouldn't have been there, she made it easy for them to rape her"

So it seems that you have different levels of sympathy for rape victims depending on what they were doing at the time, and different levels of hatred and wanting punishment for the rapists depending on when/why they rape.

Brilliant!

Funny how you think I'm accusing this girl of something when I'm repeating the basic ideas/theories you gave in a thread about a different rape. Yet when you do it, you try to tell me you aren't blaming the victim.

Dannologic at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.

We just disagree and thats fine.

I look at each case individually as each case had various circumstances and the heinous nature of the crime.

In one case you have a teen who went partying with guys drank herself drunk and can't even remember if she was raped.

In the other case you have a tourist on a public bus with her husband kidnapped for 6 hours while her and her husband were beaten raped and abused.

So yeah I might respond with more outrage at the later case.

-Danno logic never fails, don't forget it girl.

Edited April 2, 2013 by Danno

[Penny Lane 8,159]

So if this story had taken place somewhere where both parties were drinking, your reaction would be different?

In one case you have a teen who went partying with guys drank herself drunk and can't even remember if she was raped.

Can't remember? They were nice enough to videotape it for her.

Edited April 2, 2013 by Evylin

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

So if this story had taken place somewhere where both parties were drinking, your reaction would be different?

Even though she was a fresh teen, Drunky McDrunkerson brought it on herself.

[SMOKE 1,426]

At least this didn't happen in India.

[Danno 1,228]

So if this story had taken place somewhere where both parties were drinking, your reaction would be different?

Can't remember? They were nice enough to videotape it for her.

Look if you want to compare cases, you must make them much more similar.

Here I will help you.

Women goes to brazil cause she heard the beaches are really cool. She goes out partying alone, hooks up with a few guys drinkes herself silly, dances nude on the table and then goes to a motel with her new "friends".

The next day she realizes she passed out and her new friends took turns... and pictures.

Sorry if I don't shed a tear.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Look if you want to compare cases, you must make them much more similar.

Here I will help you.

Women goes to brazil cause she heard the beaches are really cool. She goes out partying alone, hooks up with a few guys drinkes herself silly, dances nude on the table and then goes to a motel with her new "friends".

The next day she realizes she passed out and her new friends took turns... and pictures.

Sorry if I don't shed a tear.

That's not similar to the Ohio rape case at all, but it's clear to me that your definition of rape, your sympathy for the victim, and your opinion of rapists depends on what the woman was doing at the time.

Even though at the end of the day, both women still end up violated and raped.

You live in a weird world where it seems you expect men to take advantage of women in a situation like that. You have a "well, who can blame them?" attitude about it that's pretty sickening.

[SMR 368]

I'm not going to comment on either of the cases in question because I don't have a reliable knowledge of the details. However, when people do stupid things and bad things happen to them, I have less sympathy than when bad things happen to people who were acting responsibly. That in no way condones the actions of the people who do the bad things. But people can and should take actions to lower the likelihood of becoming a victim.

The interesting thing is that this is practically not debated for most crimes. Leave your car running with the door open in a bad neighborhood at night and most people won't argue that you were asking to get car-jacked. Walk into a biker bar and start insulting everyone's mom and most people don't expect that it'll end well.

Now, rape is a unique crime in certain ways so some things are bound to be a little different. It's the only crime where a debate of ability to consent and what someone wanted ever really comes up. 'He wanted me to steal his car' or 'he wanted me to beat him up' isn't going to get you very far as a defense (unless the alleged victim corroborates your story). That said, dressing provocatively, being vulnerable, and making bad choices doesn't imply consent.

This comes down to the fact that there are bad people in the world. Sometimes they do bad things to people without being presented any particular opportunity to do so. There's no reason to make yourself vulnerable and give people access and opportunity to commit a crime against you. That would be irresponsible.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

There's no denying that people should do whatever they can to NOT become a victim. I'm not arguing that fact at all. People need to be aware of their surroundings and act responsibly.

Getting drunk at a party, however, is not an invitation to be raped.

You know what most boys/men would do when they see a female passed out on the couch (like the girl in Ohio)?

Nothing.

They certainly don't drag her around, rape her, and videotape her. Should she have been at that party? No. Does being there mean what happened to her was acceptable, or to be expected, and therefore deserves less sympathy? No.

Rapists are rapists. There really aren't certain levels of rape that take into account what you were doing at the time of the rape.

It just amazes me the different reactions rapists get. These rapists do something disgusting and people are calling for their heads. Two all American boys do something disgusting and people actually feel sorry for THEM and blame the GIRL for making it easy for them to rape her. Amazing.