Gun violence affects everyone

[himher 634]

Which libs are you talking to? There aren't any numbers of reductions so to speak on the web, and it doesn't appear to target blacks and males. It targets black and latino males, in plain english. Every article, every definition of the practice says this loud and proud: http://www.thenation.com/article/173565/we-were-handcuffing-kids-no-reason-stop-and-frisk-goes-trial# it's the only demographic they go after. Yet where is the reduction in crime? How many guns do they stop from killing innocent people? All I can find are debates whereas they are questioning if it's a practice worth keeping around since more and more lawsuits are coming out of it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/nypd-stop-and-frisk-search-harlem-student-######-mutt-alvin-harlem_n_1952169.html. And folks wonder why minorities have a negative outlook on the PD.

And it's funny, you have no problem with stop and frisk, but when we start talking about an assault weapons ban, then things get interesting. I know why, of course, because it affects you and those like you. See, no one cares about SAF since it doesn't have an impact of America as a whole. Only minorities are affected, and that's ok because we cause the most crimes according to the police. And while I can't dispute that, they don't SAF in the places where you have a high crime rate. Like Chicago, Detroit, DC. Nope, in NYC it's all the rage, and 99% of the folks they stop are law abiding citizens going to work or school.

So it's ok to trample on the 4th amendment if it saves lives, but not ok to trample on the 2nd, if it could save lives as well?

The 2nd ammendment is off limits and that applies to off limits for EVERYONE, even the black community (although you resent that it has to be that way so best bet for best outcome is to start exercising those rights responsibly)

It is up to the friskees if they want to protect their 4th ammendment rights or not. Please note that when you start trading rights for safety it takes a very, very high price to get them back.

Please stop acting like you give a damn. You've shown your colors already. You've made too many racist comments to try and add anything meaningful to this thread.

As you have with certainty shown yours. Noted with is your lack of comment on that whole realism vs racism thing

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Although on the surface, that would seem like a VERY good point, I'm still waiting to see any solid data showing where additional firearm restrictions would reduce crime. In fact, from what I have seen, the opposite seems to be the case. And I don't mean some study from Australia, London, Latvia, or whatever.

Personally I think the stop and frisk thing in NYC is bunch of bull$hit. That shouldn't be allowed anywhere in this country. I think there are a good percentage of cops that take that job because they're on a power trip. Black or white. It sure aint for the money.

And that's my point, there have been no numbers to say that SAF is working. But they refuse to remove it, which drives a wedge between minorities and police even further. But a weapons restriction, they won't even consider it.

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The 2nd ammendment is off limits and that applies to off limits for EVERYONE, even the black community (although you resent that it has to be that way so best bet for best outcome is to start exercising those rights responsibly)

It is up to the friskees if they want to protect their 4th ammendment rights or not. Please note that when you start trading rights for safety it takes a very, very high price to get them back.

As you have with certainty shown yours

So you can choose to be frisked or not, is that what you are saying? Because I'm pretty sure the cops aren't saying "Hey, you can invoke the 4th amendment and we won't search you". Like that kid who was called a mutt, but let me guess, he has to go through that, because what others are doing he gets to pay the price.

I am nothing like you, but nice try though. Here's the difference between us: When I used the term redneck, I didn't consider it a derogatory term since I have heard it so much used as a way to describe folks in the south, but when I was called out on it, I apologized for using it. Because I can't argue something when I am in the wrong myself. When you called the POTUS that slur, when you said "oh so when rappers say it does it offend you", when you talked about smoking crack and making a rap song about it, when every gun violence thread becomes a race issue because you or someone else loves to point out black on black violence, when you have to come into threads I create and argue or change the article(I didn't even have an opinion, and you still had something to say), that paints a different picture. I have never come on here and used inappropriate behavior to voice my opinion, nor do I act like a thuggish brute. And what's worse, your thoughts on a lot of what we talk about is right and I would get behind you if for once you would stop attacking whatever I post and just talk to me like a normal person. But you can't even see what you're doing wrong. At least Run says when he is talking tongue and cheek and admits when he is kidding or maybe crossed a line. At least Danno will, every now and then, try to have a normal conversation about race if you can get past his logic. But you, it's not possible. I remember even agreeing with what you said a few times and you still dogged me. So you tell me what the problem is.

[himher 634]

So you can choose to be frisked or not, is that what you are saying? Because I'm pretty sure the cops aren't saying "Hey, you can invoke the 4th amendment and we won't search you". Like that kid who was called a mutt, but let me guess, he has to go through that, because what others are doing he gets to pay the price.

I am nothing like you, but nice try though. Here's the difference between us: When I used the term redneck, I didn't consider it a derogatory term since I have heard it so much used as a way to describe folks in the south, but when I was called out on it, I apologized for using it. Because I can't argue something when I am in the wrong myself. When you called the POTUS that slur, when you said "oh so when rappers say it does it offend you", when you talked about smoking crack and making a rap song about it, when every gun violence thread becomes a race issue because you or someone else loves to point out black on black violence, when you have to come into threads I create and argue or change the article(I didn't even have an opinion, and you still had something to say), that paints a different picture. I have never come on here and used inappropriate behavior to voice my opinion, nor do I act like a thuggish brute. And what's worse, your thoughts on a lot of what we talk about is right and I would get behind you if for once you would stop attacking whatever I post and just talk to me like a normal person. But you can't even see what you're doing wrong. At least Run says when he is talking tongue and cheek and admits when he is kidding or maybe crossed a line. At least Danno will, every now and then, try to have a normal conversation about race if you can get past his logic. But you, it's not possible. I remember even agreeing with what you said a few times and you still dogged me. So you tell me what the problem is.

You are nothing like me true. I dont swallow the victimization nonesense anymore and never will. Even though we may all look/sound alike to you my plea on crack and rap is not guilty and my plea on killing and rap is guilty. You and your community are and always have been unbothered by me however it is not ok for you or your community to throw the yoke of responsibility or the cost of shouldering the responsibility of the plight that the black community has selected for themselves by their own bad choices around my neck and I will never accept a comment from you that puts that responsibility on me. That's a fence and as the 'rednecks' say "good fences make for good neighbors".

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You are nothing like me true. I dont swallow the victimization nonesense anymore and never will. Even though we may all look/sound alike to you my plea on crack and rap is not guilty and my plea on killing and rap is guilty. You and your community are and always have been unbothered by me however it is not ok for you or your community to throw the yoke of responsibility or the cost of shouldering the responsibility of the plight that the black community has selected for themselves by their own bad choices around my neck and I will never accept a comment from you that puts that responsibility on me. That's a fence and as the 'rednecks' say "good fences make for good neighbors".

Funny how you left out the POTUS remark, and the we all look alike line is resonating from you, not me. Did I say "hey you must be white so you listen to country music?" Or did I say, "you're white so you must be a redneck". I don't generalize, you do, and you continue to do so. I have always said we have our own issues coming from within our own community, but to say racism doesn't exist is, is ignorant at best. Just like you just said you and your community. I know that not all white people are bad, just like I know there is evil in every form of human beings. I don't think anyone owes me anything, I have to work to get what I want, and I hold myself responsible for my own actions. But even saying this, time and time again, you still have a problem with me. You even misquoted MLK, he wanted racial equality and harmony within all races, yet you can't help but attack his message.

If you are what they call a "good neighbor", let me move to a bad neighborhood. Cause no matter what I post, you only see what you want to.

[himher 634]

Funny how you left out the POTUS remark, and the we all look alike line is resonating from you, not me. Did I say "hey you must be white so you listen to country music?" Or did I say, "you're white so you must be a redneck". I don't generalize, you do, and you continue to do so. I have always said we have our own issues coming from within our own community, but to say racism doesn't exist is, is ignorant at best. Just like you just said you and your community. I know that not all white people are bad, just like I know there is evil in every form of human beings. I don't think anyone owes me anything, I have to work to get what I want, and I hold myself responsible for my own actions. But even saying this, time and time again, you still have a problem with me. You even misquoted MLK, he wanted racial equality and harmony within all races, yet you can't help but attack his message.

If you are what they call a "good neighbor", let me move to a bad neighborhood. Cause no matter what I post, you only see what you want to.

Who attacked MLK's message? I sure did and with forethought / premeditation attack Nagin's message though. If you like Nagin guess what? When he gets out of prison you can vote for him to represent you.

You may and are free to move to wherever you wish. There is a minimum level of expected behaviour (you know, like respect for other's safety and property, stuff like that) if you move to mine. If you can't meet that level and suffer consequences for it then tough chit.

Kudos for your self-expectation of responsibility for your own actions. You have achieved the level of minimum expectation which though it may make you proud it certainly doesn't make you special. That puts you at a minimum expected level for a civilized person and is something that others, like myself, take for granted as a matter of course.

The POTUS, as just another scammer and thief, has earned whatever gets thrown at him. He represents something other than the values that I do and he doesn't represent me. Your demands for apology are disrespectfully declined. Had the community chosen an honest man, like say Powell or Keyes, or an honest woman like say Rice, no label or slur would be appropriate on that choice. The black community has had plenty of labels and slurs to throw at those three. Your lack of outrage on this is as unstunning as your surprise at being profiled when 1 out of 5 from your community has a felony record. Like DUH dude.

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Who attacked MLK's message? I sure did and with forethought / premeditation attack Nagin's message though. If you like Nagin guess what? When he gets out of prison you can vote for him to represent you.

You may and are free to move to wherever you wish. There is a minimum level of expected behaviour (you know, like respect for other's safety and property, stuff like that) if you move to mine. If you can't meet that level and suffer consequences for it then tough chit.

Kudos for your self-expectation of responsibility for your own actions. You have achieved the level of minimum expectation which though it may make you proud it certainly doesn't make you special. That puts you at a minimum expected level for a civilized person and is something that others, like myself, take for granted as a matter of course.

The POTUS, as just another scammer and thief, has earned whatever gets thrown at him. He represents something other than the values that I do and he doesn't represent me. Your demands for apology are disrespectfully declined. Had the community chosen an honest man, like say Powell or Keyes, or an honest woman like say Rice, no label or slur would be appropriate on that choice. The black community has had plenty of labels and slurs to throw at those three. Your lack of outrage on this is as unstunning as your surprise at being profiled when 1 out of 5 from your community has a felony record. Like DUH dude.

My point exactly, you can't stop attacking me no matter what because you can't see past my color. You're right, I'm not like you, I'm better because I hold a person accountable for their own actions. If I hear someone putting down any race, I stand up and say something.

The thread that spooky quoted was about MLK, not Nagin, but you drug him into it. Because you can't help it.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

1. Who does gun violence affect in Vermont where everyone can carry guns?

2. There will be no assault weapons ban.

3. If you don't like it...too bad.

[himher 634]

My point exactly, you can't stop attacking me no matter what because you can't see past my color. You're right, I'm not like you, I'm better because I hold a person accountable for their own actions. If I hear someone putting down any race, I stand up and say something.

The thread that spooky quoted was about MLK, not Nagin, but you drug him into it. Because you can't help it.

No, I cant and won't see past your beliefs, politics, and values and I won't excuse them just because you believe your color and things that happened decades ago earns you some sort of special consideration today.

The remark I made is tied to Nagin's speech, not MLK. It was actually you who chose to associate MLK with Nagin's "chocolate city" speech, not me, because you can't help it and why? Because of their shared color. The fact that the "chocolate city" speech was made on MLK day to cater to the violent in New Orleans and according to you at least because a "chocolate city" is some sort of peaceful black utopia the whole picture is pretty ironic but I didnt make that racist speech and I don't live in New Orleans. It is also ironic that you can type the word racist 100 times a day referring to me and others but quickly rush to defend an MLK day celebration speech about how it is "God's will" that a city with the top murder rate in the country will be a "chocolate city" indicating that somehow "God" shows preference for skin color on MLK day.

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1. Who does gun violence affect in Vermont where everyone can carry guns?

2. There will be no assault weapons ban.

3. If you don't like it...too bad.

No one is talking about Vermont, the thread is talking about gun violence not just a minority problem. So do you think that giving everyone a gun would solve problems? What about the teenagers shot and killed daily, or about the baby that was shot while his father changed his diapers?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

No one is talking about Vermont, the thread is talking about gun violence not just a minority problem. So do you think that giving everyone a gun would solve problems? What about the teenagers shot and killed daily, or about the baby that was shot while his father changed his diapers?

It says "everyone" Change it to "Everyone-except-Vermont-where-everyone-can-carry-a-gun" then.

There are no daily teenager killings or babies shot while diaper changing here. Why is that?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

No, I cant and won't see past your beliefs, politics, and values and I won't excuse them just because you believe your color and things that happened decades ago earns you some sort of special consideration today.

The remark I made is tied to Nagin's speech, not MLK. It was actually you who chose to associate MLK with Nagin's "chocolate city" speech, not me, because you can't help it and why? Because of their shared color. The fact that the "chocolate city" speech was made on MLK day to cater to the violent in New Orleans and according to you at least because a "chocolate city" is some sort of peaceful black utopia the whole picture is pretty ironic but I didnt make that racist speech and I don't live in New Orleans. It is also ironic that you can type the word racist 100 times a day referring to me and others but quickly rush to defend an MLK day celebration speech about how it is "God's will" that a city with the top murder rate in the country will be a "chocolate city" indicating that somehow "God" shows preference for skin color on MLK day.

Once again show me where I said we should get special consideration. If you paid attention, you'd see I am against AA and anything that shows preferences to anyone who didn't earn it. That's the problem you're having, I'm black so even thought I am not a thug or anything you say you can't stand, you still can't even agree with me when I am agreeing with you. The MLK post was about racism and what he stood for, it had nothing to do with Nagin or New Orleans, but you had to tie something negative into it. Just like I showed the context about the Nagin speech, you still have an issue with it. He said nothing about keeping white people out, NO is over 60% African American, and he was trying to bring back the positive message that George Clinton was signing about.

And then you go and marginalize my existence, because I am not rich and republican, I guess I am just an average person in your eyes.

[Danno 1,228]

Which libs are you talking to? There aren't any numbers of reductions so to speak on the web, and it doesn't appear to target blacks and males. It targets black and latino males, in plain english. Every article, every definition of the practice says this loud and proud: http://www.thenation.com/article/173565/we-were-handcuffing-kids-no-reason-stop-and-frisk-goes-trial# it's the only demographic they go after. Yet where is the reduction in crime? How many guns do they stop from killing innocent people? All I can find are debates whereas they are questioning if it's a practice worth keeping around since more and more lawsuits are coming out of it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/nypd-stop-and-frisk-search-harlem-student-######-mutt-alvin-harlem_n_1952169.html. And folks wonder why minorities have a negative outlook on the PD.

And it's funny, you have no problem with stop and frisk, but when we start talking about an assault weapons ban, then things get interesting. I know why, of course, because it affects you and those like you. See, no one cares about SAF since it doesn't have an impact of America as a whole. Only minorities are affected, and that's ok because we cause the most crimes according to the police. And while I can't dispute that, they don't SAF in the places where you have a high crime rate. Like Chicago, Detroit, DC. Nope, in NYC it's all the rage, and 99% of the folks they stop are law abiding citizens going to work or school.

So it's ok to trample on the 4th amendment if it saves lives, but not ok to trample on the 2nd, if it could save lives as well?

-Not sure I endorsed STOP AND FRISK, I simply repeated what little I have heard about it.

Here is one such graph on the murder reduction.

-Why don't you post the parameters around which Stop and Frisk is allowed, you make it sound like they are frisking all the Black folks as they exist the subway.

I would assume it is authorized when police make contact with a suspicious person.

Clarify please, I am on my way to a dinner engagement or I would look in to it.

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It says "everyone" Change it to "Everyone-except-Vermont-where-everyone-can-carry-a-gun" then.

There are no daily teenager killings or babies shot while diaper changing here. Why is that?

Because those cities have more people in them than your entire state. You honestly think a gun ban is the reason why there is so much violence?

-Not sure I endorsed STOP AND FRISK, I simply repeated what little I have heard about it.

Here is one such graph on the murder reduction.

-Why don't you post the parameters around which Stop and Frisk is allowed, you make it sound like they are frisking all the Black folks as they exist the subway.

I would assume it is authorized when police make contact with a suspicious person.

Clarify please, I am on my way to a dinner engagement or I would look in to it.

Ok, let me do the research, I have to take the wife out for a minute, when you come back it should be up.