Bill Clinton's legacy

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Why isn't it being fought by the intelligence community rather than our men?

exactly!

The Clinton Administration was actively pursuing AQ by those means. AQ attacked us shortly after Clinton was gone - clearly, his efforts, while commendable, were not enough. Intelligence alone isn't going to crack this nut. Boots on the ground will have to play a role, although I would argue that Bush put boots in the wrong part of the world.

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In the days of the drum beat to war- CIA officers were torn over the meaning of the intelligence i nregards to the presence of WMD in Iraq. The closest advisors to the President were of the school of thought that Saddam needed to go. If the evidence was manipulated, misinterpretated or falsely promoted to achieve an objective outside the scope of what was being told to the country- is that a lie? If not, it's just a bad as one.

Well, was it faulty intelligence then? Or is that backpeddling by the inner circle?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why isn't it being fought by the intelligence community rather than our men?

exactly!

The Clinton Administration was actively pursuing AQ by those means. AQ attacked us shortly after Clinton was gone - clearly, his efforts, while commendable, were not enough. Intelligence alone isn't going to crack this nut. Boots on the ground will have to play a role, although I would argue that Bush put boots in the wrong part of the world.

I mentioned it earlier - but if I remember rightly wasn't the Bay of Pigs the reason that the handcuffs were put on the CIA (relatively speaking)?

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Have I been reading too much Tom Clancy?

No such thing as too much Tom Clancy

There is such a thing as too much Clancy Brown.

OMG. How many times have YOU seen the Shawshank Redemption? Like....too many? LOL

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GW's legacy:

ET. Let's understand something here. This is a war we're in, whether fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, or the streets of New York.

kaydee, let's understand something else here. We're at war in Iraq for only one reason: W lied this country into this needless, misguided adventure. Our being in Iraq has increased, not decreased the odds of us having to fight in the streets of NYC. That is the unanimous assessment by all US intelligence services of the impact of Bush's war of choice on the nation's security situation. Let's not forget that.

You, and I know that's nonsense. U.S. Presidents don't "lie" on such a scale; unless of course you're one of those conspiracy nuts that believe that everyone in Government is corrupt and untruthful. I don't thisk you are.

I'm not. And there is fairly solid evidence that the President made claims that he knew, based on intel and info available to him, to be much less than reliable to put it mildly. The AQ/Saddam link, for example. He based his claim of Saddam providing exposives and poison gas training to AQ on the testimony of on enemy operative even though the DIA assessed in very clear terms that that particular testimony was nonsense. He took the word of the enemy over that of the intelligence service and then turned around later claiming to have been provided bad intel. That's not being honest and you know it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

GW's legacy:

ET. Let's understand something here. This is a war we're in, whether fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, or the streets of New York.

kaydee, let's understand something else here. We're at war in Iraq for only one reason: W lied this country into this needless, misguided adventure. Our being in Iraq has increased, not decreased the odds of us having to fight in the streets of NYC. That is the unanimous assessment by all US intelligence services of the impact of Bush's war of choice on the nation's security situation. Let's not forget that.

You, and I know that's nonsense. U.S. Presidents don't "lie" on such a scale; unless of course you're one of those conspiracy nuts that believe that everyone in Government is corrupt and untruthful. I don't thisk you are.

I'm not. And there is fairly solid evidence that the President made claims that he knew, based on intel and info available to him, to be much less than reliable to put it mildly. The AQ/Saddam link, for example. He based his claim of Saddam providing exposives and poison gas training to AQ on the testimony of on enemy operative even though the DIA assessed in very clear terms that that particular testimony was nonsense. He took the word of the enemy over that of the intelligence service and then turned around later claiming to have been provided bad intel. That's not being honest and you know it.

That would be:

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Our being in Iraq has increased, not decreased the odds of us having to fight in the streets of NYC. That is the unanimous assessment by all US intelligence services of the impact of Bush's war of choice on the nation's security situation. Let's not forget that.

Link to that BS please.

Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terrorism Threat

Yeah but what do those liberal intelligence services know? Rush Limbaugh said that the war in Iraq makes us safer and that is the god damn truth. We all knoww what a stand-up guy ole' Rush is...

GW's legacy:

ET. Let's understand something here. This is a war we're in, whether fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, or the streets of New York.

kaydee, let's understand something else here. We're at war in Iraq for only one reason: W lied this country into this needless, misguided adventure. Our being in Iraq has increased, not decreased the odds of us having to fight in the streets of NYC. That is the unanimous assessment by all US intelligence services of the impact of Bush's war of choice on the nation's security situation. Let's not forget that.

You, and I know that's nonsense. U.S. Presidents don't "lie" on such a scale; unless of course you're one of those conspiracy nuts that believe that everyone in Government is corrupt and untruthful. I don't thisk you are.

I'm not. And there is fairly solid evidence that the President made claims that he knew, based on intel and info available to him, to be much less than reliable to put it mildly. The AQ/Saddam link, for example. He based his claim of Saddam providing exposives and poison gas training to AQ on the testimony of on enemy operative even though the DIA assessed in very clear terms that that particular testimony was nonsense. He took the word of the enemy over that of the intelligence service and then turned around later claiming to have been provided bad intel. That's not being honest and you know it.

That would be:

Actually, that is putting it very, very mildly. To trust the enemy over your own military is a pretty bad thing when you're the President and Commander in Chief.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Our being in Iraq has increased, not decreased the odds of us having to fight in the streets of NYC. That is the unanimous assessment by all US intelligence services of the impact of Bush's war of choice on the nation's security situation. Let's not forget that.

Link to that BS please.

Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terrorism Threat

Yeah but what do those liberal intelligence services know? Rush Limbaugh said that the war in Iraq makes us safer and that is the god damn truth. We all knoww what a stand-up guy ole' Rush is...

GW's legacy:

ET. Let's understand something here. This is a war we're in, whether fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, or the streets of New York.

kaydee, let's understand something else here. We're at war in Iraq for only one reason: W lied this country into this needless, misguided adventure. Our being in Iraq has increased, not decreased the odds of us having to fight in the streets of NYC. That is the unanimous assessment by all US intelligence services of the impact of Bush's war of choice on the nation's security situation. Let's not forget that.

You, and I know that's nonsense. U.S. Presidents don't "lie" on such a scale; unless of course you're one of those conspiracy nuts that believe that everyone in Government is corrupt and untruthful. I don't thisk you are.

I'm not. And there is fairly solid evidence that the President made claims that he knew, based on intel and info available to him, to be much less than reliable to put it mildly. The AQ/Saddam link, for example. He based his claim of Saddam providing exposives and poison gas training to AQ on the testimony of on enemy operative even though the DIA assessed in very clear terms that that particular testimony was nonsense. He took the word of the enemy over that of the intelligence service and then turned around later claiming to have been provided bad intel. That's not being honest and you know it.

That would be:

Actually, that is putting it very, very mildly. To trust the enemy over your own military is a pretty bad thing when you're the President and Commander in Chief.

I know that one I think. Does the word begin with "T"?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

GW's legacy:

ET. Let's understand something here. This is a war we're in, whether fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, or the streets of New York.

kaydee, let's understand something else here. We're at war in Iraq for only one reason: W lied this country into this needless, misguided adventure. Our being in Iraq has increased, not decreased the odds of us having to fight in the streets of NYC. That is the unanimous assessment by all US intelligence services of the impact of Bush's war of choice on the nation's security situation. Let's not forget that.

You, and I know that's nonsense. U.S. Presidents don't "lie" on such a scale; unless of course you're one of those conspiracy nuts that believe that everyone in Government is corrupt and untruthful. I don't thisk you are.

I'm not. And there is fairly solid evidence that the President made claims that he knew, based on intel and info available to him, to be much less than reliable to put it mildly. The AQ/Saddam link, for example. He based his claim of Saddam providing exposives and poison gas training to AQ on the testimony of on enemy operative even though the DIA assessed in very clear terms that that particular testimony was nonsense. He took the word of the enemy over that of the intelligence service and then turned around later claiming to have been provided bad intel. That's not being honest and you know it.

That would be:

Actually, that is putting it very, very mildly. To trust the enemy over your own military is a pretty bad thing when you're the President and Commander in Chief.

I know that one I think. Does the word begin with "T"?

Edited November 16, 2006 by ET-US2004

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

#######. That's it

[Carol&Marc 0]

ET, I hear lots of CONDEMNATION (THATS EASY) Whats the CURE?.........? WAITING?

[Carol&Marc 0]

Marc,

I don't know where to start. Maybe with

Well I see you need help on where to START! It's really kind of hard to articulate an Idea when your BRAIN is 99.9% WATER (AKA WATERHEAD)

Stay with me now! CONCENTRATE! You with me? I will give you a few MINUTES! (30 minutes have past)

WAKE_UP!.............. MY PRESIDENT (not yours) Thought it might be a good Idea to give some, POOR,DOWN TRODDIN PEOPLE, A CHANCE at DEMOCRACY (waiting for you to catch up) yep I SAID.......D>>>>E>>>>M>>>O>>>C>>>R>>>A>>>C>>>Y! GEt the IDEA? (waiting AGAIN) OKAY I hope your still with ME (probably NOT but I am Trying) I am gonna stop for now and wait for a response.

Please DO NOT RESPOND IN ANGER! IT WILL SHOW!

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Marc,

I don't know where to start. Maybe with

Well I see you need help on where to START! It's really kind of hard to articulate an Idea when your BRAIN is 99.9% WATER (AKA WATERHEAD)

Stay with me now! CONCENTRATE! You with me? I will give you a few MINUTES! (30 minutes have past)

WAKE_UP!.............. MY PRESIDENT (not yours) Thought it might be a good Idea to give some, POOR,DOWN TRODDIN PEOPLE, A CHANCE at DEMOCRACY (waiting for you to catch up) yep I SAID.......D>>>>E>>>>M>>>O>>>C>>>R>>>A>>>C>>>Y! GEt the IDEA? (waiting AGAIN) OKAY I hope your still with ME (probably NOT but I am Trying) I am gonna stop for now and wait for a response.

Please DO NOT RESPOND IN ANGER! IT WILL SHOW!

Oui, oui monsierre Marc. Vous etes cirque de soleil!

[Carol&Marc 0]

His LEFT hand is free? OUI OUI!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Marc,

I don't know where to start. Maybe with

Well I see you need help on where to START! It's really kind of hard to articulate an Idea when your BRAIN is 99.9% WATER (AKA WATERHEAD)

Stay with me now! CONCENTRATE! You with me? I will give you a few MINUTES! (30 minutes have past)

WAKE_UP!.............. MY PRESIDENT (not yours) Thought it might be a good Idea to give some, POOR,DOWN TRODDIN PEOPLE, A CHANCE at DEMOCRACY (waiting for you to catch up) yep I SAID.......D>>>>E>>>>M>>>O>>>C>>>R>>>A>>>C>>>Y! GEt the IDEA? (waiting AGAIN) OKAY I hope your still with ME (probably NOT but I am Trying) I am gonna stop for now and wait for a response.

Please DO NOT RESPOND IN ANGER! IT WILL SHOW!

You know... when you use capital letters in an email, message board or instant message window - its generally assumed that you are shouting. In anger...

BTW - your president is a lying sack of piss.