Bill Clinton's legacy

[Fandango 1,439]

That's not what checks and balances are all about there, buddy....you can quote whomever you want, but facts are facts.

I might agree with you if it weren't for the fact that Bush has shown a willingness to spit on those checks and balances whenever they stand in his way.

Doesnt' change the fact that they weren't in his way re:Iraq

I can understand blind partisan loyalty to a certain extent, Erekose, but I really thought you were too intelligent to ignore facts. Or am I wrong?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Doesnt' change the fact that they weren't in his way re:Iraq

I can understand blind partisan loyalty to a certain extent, Erekose, but I really thought you were too intelligent to ignore facts. Or am I wrong?

Perhaps, but then the Republican party had big majority in both chambers when they were cooking up this war - but I could be wrong about that

Incidentally I don't really care which way people voted as I was never at any point convinced of the "imminent threat/WMD angle" that was trotted out in defence of it - I hold Bush accountable for this mess. He cooked up the idea, regardless of whomever else voted for it. Therefore its his responsibility - and clearly the administration has started to understand that by firing that idiot Rumsfeld.

Edited November 16, 2006 by erekose

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

erekose,

now wait a miute there, you really aren't proposing that the president actualy be held accountable to what happens under his watch are ya now?

if the buck doesn't stop there, then where does it stop?

Daniel

:energetic:

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

erekose,

now wait a miute there, you really aren't proposing that the president actualy be held accountable to what happens under his watch are ya now?

if the buck doesn't stop there, then where does it stop?

Daniel

:energetic:

Who should we blame?

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

erekose,

now wait a miute there, you really aren't proposing that the president actualy be held accountable to what happens under his watch are ya now?

if the buck doesn't stop there, then where does it stop?

Daniel

:energetic:

Who should we blame?

i say we blame this 'Borat' fella. seems to be causing a ruckus lately.

but in all seriousness, we will have to let history decide that stuff. sure we can debate it now and help history along, but a lot of times those that are in the 'times' really do not see everything. prolly some historian from one ofthe ivy leage schools will eventually write the book on it.

Daniel

:energetic:

[Carol&Marc 0]

"Eh, don't worry about it. It's just a few thousand American deaths. Not any big deal. And who cares about the gigantic number of foreign deaths? They're foreigners!"

I see you don't worry about a GIGANTIC NUMBER OF FOREIGN DEATHS as long as Saddam Hussein commits them, Your LOVE and CARING is truly..........................VACANT and HYPOCRITICAL!

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

"Eh, don't worry about it. It's just a few thousand American deaths. Not any big deal. And who cares about the gigantic number of foreign deaths? They're foreigners!"

I see you don't worry about a GIGANTIC NUMBER OF FOREIGN DEATHS as long as Saddam Hussein commits them, Your LOVE and CARING is truly..........................VACANT and HYPOCRITICAL!

Marc (of Carol&Marc),

what do you say we should do about Darfur? Plenty of folks dying over there.

Daniel

:energetic:

Edited November 16, 2006 by AnaAndDaniel

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

"Eh, don't worry about it. It's just a few thousand American deaths. Not any big deal. And who cares about the gigantic number of foreign deaths? They're foreigners!"

I see you don't worry about a GIGANTIC NUMBER OF FOREIGN DEATHS as long as Saddam Hussein commits them, Your LOVE and CARING is truly..........................VACANT and HYPOCRITICAL!

Interestingly I don't see you involved in a street march against African genocide. That says to me that your "moral high horse" only extends to Iraq as far as it justifies your clearly partisan loyalties.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

GW's legacy:

ET. Let's understand something here. This is a war we're in, whether fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, or the streets of New York.

Perhaps you need proof such as a few more thousand Americans killed as was the plan a couple of months ago in England; of course luckily the plan was thwarted by the British.

Now let's comment on your post. The IRAQ war, having been fought for 4 years, has less than 10% of the men we lost in the Vietnam war. You're post typifies the hysteria and unrealistic notions put forth every day by a leftist media, and a very left and liberal Democratic Party.

It lacks any perspective at all. I'm sure that you wish to convey to readers here that Americans are being killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yes they are. But in far less numbers than your photo would suggest.

We've had less casualties in this war than in any war we've ever fought, period.

The nature of war is that soldiers die. Iraq is no Vietnam; trust me I lived through that war.

Bush's legacy will be that of the only U.S. President that understands that we ARE at war and no amount of ignoring that fact will make the bad guys go away.

The Democrats, in concert with a very left, liberal media, emboldened our enemies by portraying what is happening in Iraq as a conflict taking many, many U.S. lives and further acquiescing to their (the enemy) propaganda and terrorists war tactics.

Apparently, we lose another war. Iran and Korea are paying close attention to what’s happening.

Do you just regurgitate what you hear from people like Hannity and Savage? Seriously, do you actually read any dissenting or opposing arguments against Bush's policies from conservative publications without suspecting it is some kind of liberal conspiracy?

No, like I said in these forums before. I'm a Viet Vet, now an aerospace engineer of 30+ years and defense contractor that consults to the U.S. Army, Navy, and Air Force.

I travel to the middle east on average 5 times a year; accumulative time "in country" 3~6 months/year.

I don't need to "regurgitate" anything as I have first hand, eyeball experience.

And you?

So where do you get your news sources from? Whose political commentary are you listening to? I'm curious. Be honest.

[Carol&Marc 0]

"Eh, don't worry about it. It's just a few thousand American deaths. Not any big deal. And who cares about the gigantic number of foreign deaths? They're foreigners!"

I see you don't worry about a GIGANTIC NUMBER OF FOREIGN DEATHS as long as Saddam Hussein commits them, Your LOVE and CARING is truly..........................VACANT and HYPOCRITICAL!

Marc (of Carol&Marc),

what do you say we should do about Darfur? Plenty of folks dying over there.

Daniel

:energetic:

Daniel, I was commenting on Alexs statement about blaming lots of death on Bush. (No mention of Saddam) Darfur????? Question should be Where the ** is the rest of the world on darfur. DAmned if you do, damned if you dont??? #######

Yep lets go help some more people! alot will die! Alex will blame U.S. for getting involved?

Edited November 16, 2006 by Carol&Marc

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

"Eh, don't worry about it. It's just a few thousand American deaths. Not any big deal. And who cares about the gigantic number of foreign deaths? They're foreigners!"

I see you don't worry about a GIGANTIC NUMBER OF FOREIGN DEATHS as long as Saddam Hussein commits them, Your LOVE and CARING is truly..........................VACANT and HYPOCRITICAL!

Marc (of Carol&Marc),

what do you say we should do about Darfur? Plenty of folks dying over there.

Daniel

:energetic:

Daniel, I was commenting on Alexs statement about blaming lots of death on Bush. (No mention of Saddam) Darfur????? Question should be Where the ** is the rest of the world on darfur. DAmned if you do, damned if you dont??? #######

Yep lets go help some more people! alot will die! Alex will blame U.S. for getting involved?

And why did we get involved in Iraq again?

Kaydee hinted at having an opinion. Possibly.

[Alex+R 0]

Marc,

I don't know where to start. Maybe with

[kaydee457 13]

GW's legacy:

ET. Let's understand something here. This is a war we're in, whether fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, or the streets of New York.

Perhaps you need proof such as a few more thousand Americans killed as was the plan a couple of months ago in England; of course luckily the plan was thwarted by the British.

Now let's comment on your post. The IRAQ war, having been fought for 4 years, has less than 10% of the men we lost in the Vietnam war. You're post typifies the hysteria and unrealistic notions put forth every day by a leftist media, and a very left and liberal Democratic Party.

It lacks any perspective at all. I'm sure that you wish to convey to readers here that Americans are being killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yes they are. But in far less numbers than your photo would suggest.

We've had less casualties in this war than in any war we've ever fought, period.

The nature of war is that soldiers die. Iraq is no Vietnam; trust me I lived through that war.

Bush's legacy will be that of the only U.S. President that understands that we ARE at war and no amount of ignoring that fact will make the bad guys go away.

The Democrats, in concert with a very left, liberal media, emboldened our enemies by portraying what is happening in Iraq as a conflict taking many, many U.S. lives and further acquiescing to their (the enemy) propaganda and terrorists war tactics.

Apparently, we lose another war. Iran and Korea are paying close attention to what’s happening.

Do you just regurgitate what you hear from people like Hannity and Savage? Seriously, do you actually read any dissenting or opposing arguments against Bush's policies from conservative publications without suspecting it is some kind of liberal conspiracy?

No, like I said in these forums before. I'm a Viet Vet, now an aerospace engineer of 30+ years and defense contractor that consults to the U.S. Army, Navy, and Air Force.

I travel to the middle east on average 5 times a year; accumulative time "in country" 3~6 months/year.

I don't need to "regurgitate" anything as I have first hand, eyeball experience.

And you?

So where do you get your news sources from? Whose political commentary are you listening to? I'm curious. Be honest.

Like I said, I'm "there" most of the time so I don't need to rely on news sources to form my opinions.

Let's say that I don't peruse all the leftist extremist sites on the web and endlessly post copies of articles that support my leftist and very absurd liberal agenda (if I had one of course)....

I can't do battle with all you liberals in these forums because you simply have too many misconceptions and too much ignorance concerning this subject and it would take all my time rebutting you guys.

It’s clear to me that you simply read, and unfortunately for this country, subscribe to the reports and ideas relating to a war that the very people reporting about it do not understand.

Most are liberals and have no Military experience themselves.

Fortunately for us we didn't have satellite and television in WW2. We'd all be speaking German right now........

[Alex+R 0]

Kaydee-- I totally feel you.

I'm in the U.S. a lot, so I don't have to read about anything that happens here.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Like I said, I'm "there" most of the time so I don't need to rely on news sources to form my opinions.

Let's say that I don't peruse all the leftist extremist sites on the web and endlessly post copies of articles that support my leftist and very absurd liberal agenda (if I had one of course)....

I can't do battle with all you liberals in these forums because you simply have too many misconceptions and too much ignorance concerning this subject and it would take all my time rebutting you guys.

It’s clear to me that you simply read, and unfortunately for this country, subscribe to the reports and ideas relating to a war that the very people reporting about it do not understand.

Most are liberals and have no Military experience themselves.

Applying the term "islamic fascists" to Al Qaeda AND Saddam's regime is a bit like Bush's comparison of Osama Bin Laden to Hitler AND Lenin. Totally meaningless but quite revealing all the same.