Bill Clinton's legacy

[kaydee457 13]

GW's legacy:

ET. Let's understand something here. This is a war we're in, whether fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, or the streets of New York.

Perhaps you need proof such as a few more thousand Americans killed as was the plan a couple of months ago in England; of course luckily the plan was thwarted by the British.

Now let's comment on your post. The IRAQ war, having been fought for 4 years, has less than 10% of the men we lost in the Vietnam war. You're post typifies the hysteria and unrealistic notions put forth every day by a leftist media, and a very left and liberal Democratic Party.

It lacks any perspective at all. I'm sure that you wish to convey to readers here that Americans are being killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yes they are. But in far less numbers than your photo would suggest.

We've had less casualties in this war than in any war we've ever fought, period.

The nature of war is that soldiers die. Iraq is no Vietnam; trust me I lived through that war.

Bush's legacy will be that of the only U.S. President that understands that we ARE at war and no amount of ignoring that fact will make the bad guys go away.

The Democrats, in concert with a very left, liberal media, emboldened our enemies by portraying what is happening in Iraq as a conflict taking many, many U.S. lives and further acquiescing to their (the enemy) propaganda and terrorists war tactics.

Apparently, we lose another war. Iran and Korea are paying close attention to what’s happening.

Do you just regurgitate what you hear from people like Hannity and Savage? Seriously, do you actually read any dissenting or opposing arguments against Bush's policies from conservative publications without suspecting it is some kind of liberal conspiracy?

No, like I said in these forums before. I'm a Viet Vet, now an aerospace engineer of 30+ years and defense contractor that consults to the U.S. Army, Navy, and Air Force.

I travel to the middle east on average 5 times a year; accumulative time "in country" 3~6 months/year.

I don't need to "regurgitate" anything as I have first hand, eyeball experience.

And you?

[Alex+R 0]

"Eh, don't worry about it. It's just a few thousand American deaths. Not any big deal. And who cares about the gigantic number of foreign deaths? They're foreigners!"

Did I pretty much just sum up your position there, Kaydee457?

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

"Eh, don't worry about it. It's just a few thousand American deaths. Not any big deal. And who cares about the gigantic number of foreign deaths? They're foreigners!"

Did I pretty much just sum up your position there, Kaydee457?

is the pope German?

you nailed it on the head Alex.

Daniel

:energetic:

[ace13 0]

"Eh, don't worry about it. It's just a few thousand American deaths. Not any big deal. And who cares about the gigantic number of foreign deaths? They're foreigners!"

Did I pretty much just sum up your position there, Kaydee457?

That is probably the dumbest comment I have read all day. But expected.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

"Eh, don't worry about it. It's just a few thousand American deaths. Not any big deal. And who cares about the gigantic number of foreign deaths? They're foreigners!"

Did I pretty much just sum up your position there, Kaydee457?

Life is cheap, except when its our own.

Ever noticed how the hundreds / thousands of deaths of members of 3rd world countries make barely a footnote in a news report, "a by the way" type thing - but half a dozen dead US troops make front page news.

"Liberal Media" eh?

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What war? A war has to be won. What are we trying to win? If we "win", what is the result?

The unjust invasion has made matters worse in the Middle East, spawned more terrorists, killed tens of thousandsof innocent Iraqi's.

The best we can hope for is that many more Iraqis won't be killed in civil war when we finally realize our presence there is pointless and we get the hell out.

Putting the death of our military men and women there in terms of small percentages is absurd and an insult to those that died. How have these sacrafices made the middle east, Iraq or the U.S. safer from terrorism?What if this percentage included your son or daughter? The sacrifice was worth it?

The war on terrorism is just a phrase. Yes we must stop terrorist sand secure the U.S., but there's no war to win. You are not going to change thousands of years of religious fanaticism by refereeing a civil war in Iraq.

GW's legacy:

ET. Let's understand something here. This is a war we're in, whether fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, or the streets of New York.

Perhaps you need proof such as a few more thousand Americans killed as was the plan a couple of months ago in England; of course luckily the plan was thwarted by the British.

Now let's comment on your post. The IRAQ war, having been fought for 4 years, has less than 10% of the men we lost in the Vietnam war. You're post typifies the hysteria and unrealistic notions put forth every day by a leftist media, and a very left and liberal Democratic Party.

It lacks any perspective at all. I'm sure that you wish to convey to readers here that Americans are being killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yes they are. But in far less numbers than your photo would suggest.

We've had less casualties in this war than in any war we've ever fought, period.

The nature of war is that soldiers die. Iraq is no Vietnam; trust me I lived through that war.

Bush's legacy will be that of the only U.S. President that understands that we ARE at war and no amount of ignoring that fact will make the bad guys go away.

The Democrats, in concert with a very left, liberal media, emboldened our enemies by portraying what is happening in Iraq as a conflict taking many, many U.S. lives and further acquiescing to their (the enemy) propaganda and terrorists war tactics.

Apparently, we lose another war. Iran and Korea are paying close attention to what’s happening.

[rclouse 0]

I have to respond to a few of KD's gems:

Perhaps you need proof such as a few more thousand Americans killed as was the

plan a couple of months ago in England; of course luckily the plan was thwarted

by the British.

A plan, as it turned out, that was completely unfeasible. The only place you're going to see a liquid bomb is in a Die Hard movie (DH3, to be precise).

Now let's comment on your post. The IRAQ war, having been fought for 4 years,

has less than 10% of the men we lost in the Vietnam war. You're post typifies

the hysteria and unrealistic notions put forth every day by a leftist media, and

a very left and liberal Democratic Party.

And we lost 407,300 military lives in WWII. The difference is the lives lost in WWII were for a clear-cut, justifiable reason. The lives lost in Vietnam and in W's adventure in the Middle East were and are being lost for no good reason. There may be terrorists in Iraq now, but that is entirely W's fault.

It lacks any perspective at all. I'm sure that you wish to convey to readers

here that Americans are being killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yes they are. But

in far less numbers than your photo would suggest. We've had less casualties in

this war than in any war we've ever fought, period.

Acutally, they're being killed in far greater numbers than his photo suggests. And once again conservatives show they're true colors by not counting the brown people's deaths.

Bush's legacy will be that of the only U.S. President that understands that we

ARE at war and no amount of ignoring that fact will make the bad guys go away.

We're at war with Islamic terrorists, something W seemed to forget in his desire to take out Saddam. Hell, even Rummy complained "there are no good targets" in Afghanistan when it was proven the perps were there.

And now because of the distraction of Iraq, Afghanistan is getting worse. Had Gore been President (like he was supposed to be except for the bought-and-paid-for Supreme Court) I'm positive he would have gone after OBL and AQ, gotten them, and then turned his attention to addressing the root causes of how AQ came to be.

This country needs to change its foreign policy. For too long we've put "do the right thing" on the back burner for "what is of immediate benefit for us". We need to do the right thing first, even if we have a price to pay in the near future. The payoff will be much better in the long run. And "do the right thing" does NOT mean placate extremists.

Dammit, I wanted to take on the Dittohead and went off on a rant. Sorry 'bout that.

[kaydee457 13]

"Eh, don't worry about it. It's just a few thousand American deaths. Not any big deal. And who cares about the gigantic number of foreign deaths? They're foreigners!"

Did I pretty much just sum up your position there, Kaydee457?

This is exactly the kind of popular, naive, unrealistic, delusional and snooty pompous liberal nonsense that typifies the prevalent trend in anti-war rhetoric.

Alex....We (America) are not an island! Enjoy the fact that you've never had to wait in line for gasoline for an hour or two only to be told that you can only have 1 gallon; or worse yet that they've run out! Or, having to worry about getting to work because you only have one gallon in the tank and work's twenty miles from home......

Fcuked up, ey? Well, thank your Democratic Party. We have enough oil to claim independence from the middle east but the liberal democrats continually thwart our attempts to get at it. That's a fact. Look it up.

I lived through two gas shortages. It affects your live, your livelihood, and everyone’s standard of living in this country.

We are beholden to oil in the middle east and that's a fact. We have an interest there, politically, and economically. That's a fcuking fact.

Your liberal prose means squat to people like me that understand what's at stake here. We are not an ISLAND.....GET IT?

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I'm still not sure why they didn't kill the man with a proven connection to 9-11, Osama Bin Laden, in Bora Bora when they had the chance.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

"Eh, don't worry about it. It's just a few thousand American deaths. Not any big deal. And who cares about the gigantic number of foreign deaths? They're foreigners!"

Did I pretty much just sum up your position there, Kaydee457?

This is exactly the kind of popular, naive, unrealistic, delusional and snooty pompous liberal nonsense that typifies the prevalent trend in anti-war rhetoric.

Alex....We (America) are not an island! Enjoy the fact that you've never had to wait in line for gasoline for an hour or two only to be told that you can only have 1 gallon; or worse yet that they've run out! Or, having to worry about getting to work because you only have one gallon in the tank and work's twenty miles from home......

Fcuked up, ey? Well, thank your Democratic Party. We have enough oil to claim independence from the middle east but the liberal democrats continually thwart our attempts to get at it. That's a fact. Look it up.

I lived through two gas shortages. It affects your live, your livelihood, and everyone’s standard of living in this country.

We are beholden to oil in the middle east and that's a fact. We have an interest there, politically, and economically. That's a fcuking fact.

Your liberal prose means squat to people like me that understand what's at stake here. We are not an ISLAND.....GET IT?

Would you be suggesting here that Iraq might just be about oil?

[Fandango 1,439]

WTG for exploiting soldiers' deaths to counter a joke thread :rollseyes:

It's not BUSH'S legacy alone...it's Congress's....that HUGE fact has been selectively ignored and forgotten. We don't live in a dictatorship....checks & balances and all that jazz....and Bush couldn't have done diddly w/o the approval of Congress....which he got overwhelmingly, might I add.

I get the feeling it's almost as if the anti-Bushies hear about some soldier dying and think 'excellent! more ammo for me!' War is war....people will die. Stop cheapening their lives in a way to counter a lil barb against Clinton's fidelity....

Edited November 16, 2006 by LisaD

[kaydee457 13]

I have to respond to a few of KD's gems:

Perhaps you need proof such as a few more thousand Americans killed as was the

plan a couple of months ago in England; of course luckily the plan was thwarted

by the British.

A plan, as it turned out, that was completely unfeasible. The only place you're going to see a liquid bomb is in a Die Hard movie (DH3, to be precise).

Now let's comment on your post. The IRAQ war, having been fought for 4 years,

has less than 10% of the men we lost in the Vietnam war. You're post typifies

the hysteria and unrealistic notions put forth every day by a leftist media, and

a very left and liberal Democratic Party.

And we lost 407,300 military lives in WWII. The difference is the lives lost in WWII were for a clear-cut, justifiable reason. The lives lost in Vietnam and in W's adventure in the Middle East were and are being lost for no good reason. There may be terrorists in Iraq now, but that is entirely W's fault.

It lacks any perspective at all. I'm sure that you wish to convey to readers

here that Americans are being killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yes they are. But

in far less numbers than your photo would suggest. We've had less casualties in

this war than in any war we've ever fought, period.

Acutally, they're being killed in far greater numbers than his photo suggests. And once again conservatives show they're true colors by not counting the brown people's deaths.

Bush's legacy will be that of the only U.S. President that understands that we

ARE at war and no amount of ignoring that fact will make the bad guys go away.

We're at war with Islamic terrorists, something W seemed to forget in his desire to take out Saddam. Hell, even Rummy complained "there are no good targets" in Afghanistan when it was proven the perps were there.

And now because of the distraction of Iraq, Afghanistan is getting worse. Had Gore been President (like he was supposed to be except for the bought-and-paid-for Supreme Court) I'm positive he would have gone after OBL and AQ, gotten them, and then turned his attention to addressing the root causes of how AQ came to be.

This country needs to change its foreign policy. For too long we've put "do the right thing" on the back burner for "what is of immediate benefit for us". We need to do the right thing first, even if we have a price to pay in the near future. The payoff will be much better in the long run. And "do the right thing" does NOT mean placate extremists.

Dammit, I wanted to take on the Dittohead and went off on a rant. Sorry 'bout that.

I'll respond to you're "bombs"...You're delusional.....I won't waste my time.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

WTG for exploiting soldiers' deaths to counter a joke thread :rollseyes:

It's not BUSH'S legacy alone...it's Congress's....that HUGE fact has been selectively ignored and forgotten. We don't live in a dictatorship....checks & balances and all that jazz....and Bush couldn't have done diddly w/o the approval of Congress....which he got overwhelmingly, might I add.

Bush alone takes ownership of his decisions, and therefore his mistakes. If he didn't want that responsibility he should never have taken the oath of office.

Perhaps what Thomas Jefferson said has some merit here:

"When the government fears the people, you have liberty. When the people fear the government, you have tyranny."

[Fandango 1,439]

WTG for exploiting soldiers' deaths to counter a joke thread :rollseyes:

It's not BUSH'S legacy alone...it's Congress's....that HUGE fact has been selectively ignored and forgotten. We don't live in a dictatorship....checks & balances and all that jazz....and Bush couldn't have done diddly w/o the approval of Congress....which he got overwhelmingly, might I add.

Bush alone takes ownership of his decisions, and therefore his mistakes. If he didn't want that responsibility he should never have taken the oath of office.

Perhaps what Thomas Jefferson said has some merit here:

"When the government fears the people, you have liberty. When the people fear the government, you have tyranny."

That's not what checks and balances are all about there, buddy....you can quote whomever you want, but facts are facts.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That's not what checks and balances are all about there, buddy....you can quote whomever you want, but facts are facts.

I might agree with you if it weren't for the fact that Bush has shown a willingness to spit on those checks and balances whenever they stand in his way.