The Dream Act

[FlipgalRN 19]

Adding my 2 cents to this topic. While I have no qualms about kids who were brought here by illegal immigrants wanting to stay in the US after being raised here (since they had no say in what was going on) I do have qualms about illegal immigrants in the fact that they cut in front of people who are going about immigrating to this country in a legit way. My father was sponsored by his USC sister back in 1973 (from the Philippines) he did not receive his GC until 1998 (this was after moving to Canada after being sponsored by my mom). Should he feel like a chump because he did everything the "legal" way? To add insult to injury I was left behind because I aged out of the petition. So I applied for a job here and was fortunate enough to be sponsored by my company. Yes I understand hard economic reasons force families to do drastic things but I do not agree with abusing the system in order to bypass others who are having to go though red tape and sacrifice not being with their loved ones all to get their residency in the way the government has set up to be fair. With that being said I've seen quite a few DACA applicants complain about their processing times as well. In comparison to my father's wait? That doesn't seem too long to me. We all deserve to enjoy freedom and the ability to provide a better life for our families. Things just need to change to make it fair and that people who want these benefits should do so in a way that won't jeopardize their kids futures.

Edited March 25, 2013 by FlipgalRN

[I & B 273]

Just talked to USICS and they say CSC is processing July 18 I-129f today. Also said they do not just put 129 on back burner and stop processing.

They are technically telling the truth that they did not "stop" I-129F processing. But they did slow it drastically. By any reasonable standard, they have put I-129Fs on the back burner, and all to guarantee quick processing for DACA applicants.

[madtownguy 164]

Well i'm sorry that the lawyer messed up your life. That's not the fault of a child.

No I don't agree in how they do the petitions. But that is the USCIS who is doing it. How is it the fault of a DACA petitioner?

I'm trying to get you to understand where your anger should be placed. You're mad. You're angry. You have the right to be those things. Turn it onto the appropriate place. Do something to make something happen. Start petitions, write letters, be productive. Coming on the internet and ranting about how your case is taking longer because 1) your ex wife's lawyer messed up (or perhaps your ex wife didn't pay him?) and 2) the USCIS decided to process these petitions ahead of yours for reasons which are good reasons but not good enough for you, is a bit silly. Look deeper instead and get to the real root of the problem. The USCIS should amend their goals, and state exactly (or at the very least an accurate time range) how much time things will take vs trying to say it's all okay when it's not. They should have decided on a plan of action to process the DACA petitioners where it would't interfere with the regular petitions they process. They should have anticipated and planned this BETTER. Don't blame the Dream Act or the Dream act petitioners. It's squarely in the fault of the USCIS via mismanagement.

I agree with this post, you should not be mad at the Daca petitioner. You should be mad at the president for passing such a ridiculous thing and mad at the illegal parent who brought the kid here. Now I love foreigners, I love people from other countries coming to visit. I'm one of the few people in Orlando who likes the tourists. But people that invade our country and steal our resources is grounds for war. We bomb people we don't even know thousands of miles away because they are hurting each other, but we look the other way to the millions that are hurting our country our land. I don't really care if they are here, I would never compete job wise with them. But our government needs to be set up much differently so that the honor code is done away with. Take away illegals voting in the last election I would have liked to see the outcome.

[Bayareaguy 156]

Just talked to USICS and they say CSC is processing July 18 I-129f today. Also said they do not just put 129 on back burner and stop processing.

Oh, that's good to know

[Juliet and Steve 93]

Time and time again I see people on this site complain because their petition may be delayed because of Dream Act applicants. It is disgusting to think that people in this country are so self centered that they can't for one single moment imagine what it would be to in their shoes, faced with deportation because of something they had no control over in the first place, being brought here by their parents as young children. I can bet that the majority of people don't actually know what the Dream Act is. So before you whine about how slow your petition is going, and blame it on the so called 'illegals" that caused your so called delay, watch this video and then tell me the few extra weeks you had to wait was in vain. These people deserve a chance to stay, just like your husband/wife/fiance deserves the chance to be reunited with you. [/size][/font]

Good information, and it's nice to hear a person's heartfelt point of view, though at least for me, seeing the use of: "disgusting", "so self centered," and "whine" makes me think that the point of view espoused, or rather the manner in which it is presented is in violation of one of our basic American beliefs: "innocent until proven guilty." Something to think about perhaps?

For me it's sort of a moot point anyway. I'm not sure that the US is the great country that it used to be, perhaps it's not as good a deal as it once was to an immigrant. In 2009 I worked as a plant RN at a GM (General Motor's) facility. The maintenance person who swept out my small clinic daily was named Rose, though actually it was Roselia. She was from Guatemala and she told me that she had come to America illegally but now was eligible to become a US citizen under some program that if a person had been here for many years (maybe a subset of the Dream Act?) could apply for citizenship. The GM plant relocated down South to Virginia and so we both lost our jobs. Near the end I asked her if she was looking for a new job and she said no. She had decided that America wasn't as nice as she had hoped for and since she had to work multiple jobs just to survive that moving back to her father's farm seemed a much better option. She had decided to not take the offer.

Juliet is worried about discrimination in the US and I thought about it and at first said "no," that won't happen, but then I thought that on occasion it actually might, especially in rural New Hampshire and I explained that I thought such discrimination would be nonsensical since in my town, every person here that I know, since I don't know a single native American, has a lineage that goes back to an immigrant.

[NikLR 13,232]

Dream act is a horrible idea! First of all you have children being raised by criminals, the child is more likely to exhibit criminal activities because of that. I've seen first hand how poorly our system is manipulated and the life squeezed out of it by people who come here and say they need to break the laws to live and make money to raise their family. And that is the major problem that will never be fixed. You have millions of people breaking the law that justify doing it. They are essentially saying some laws are breakable if they need to be broken. I believe when it gets to that point then you have to overthrow the government, instead of them working on theirs they came to our lenient system to get away with what they could. I believe our country was founded by immigrants, I just believe it should be done in a legal way and once they come here illegally they have basically already become a criminal. It's like the pot debate, it really does no harm but they call it the gateway drug to try other more serious things. Well being an illegal is a gateway criminal offense. If you don't believe this it will only take one event to change your mind same with the gun debate actually. If anyone ever breaks into your house and you are against guns you will change your mind quick. If someone uses your social security number just because they feel it necessary to work, good luck dealing with that mess. Now I don't disagree that there are people who come here and live a very upstanding life. But they still did it illegally. What's funny is that the "latino" vote is supposedly driving this reform. But latin people that came here legally are most likely not for the dream act, they feel it is unfair that they did things the right way and others get rewarded for bad behavior. So do illegals really not vote? Anyone that agrees with the Dream act does not have a grasp of what is really happening in our country. There are millions of babies born with illegal parents who get full benefits of a legal citizen the moment the child is born. I think that is more than enough reward for criminals. We don't have the best education system in the world so saying it was done for the children isn't something I buy. It was done because it's the easiest place to live off the government and get away with criminal activities. Until our government gets rid of the honor system it will be taken advantage of especially by those who took advantage of it just to live here.

You believe the USA was founded by immigrants? IT WAS founded by immigrants. Unless you are a Native American, your family line, at some point, immigrated to the USA willingly or no.

Really look back at how the USA became a country as well. Think about it objectively and you'll probably find that it sounds a lot better when the history books are written by the victors.

Also perhaps if the USA wasn't purported to be the best place to live in the world, you wouldn't have the problem with illegal immigrants. Last time I checked, people weren't flocking to Russia, Malaysia, or Nigeria. Just something to think about since you're ranting about criminals and illegals and how your country has gone down hill.

As a side note: The dream act is not about children born in the USA. It's about children brought to the USA by their parents. There are rules for these children to be eligible and one of those is not being in trouble with the law, ever. Maybe read up on it eh?

[madtownguy 164]

You believe the USA was founded by immigrants? IT WAS founded by immigrants. Unless you are a Native American, your family line, at some point, immigrated to the USA willingly or no.

Really look back at how the USA became a country as well. Think about it objectively and you'll probably find that it sounds a lot better when the history books are written by the victors.

Also perhaps if the USA wasn't purported to be the best place to live in the world, you wouldn't have the problem with illegal immigrants. Last time I checked, people weren't flocking to Russia, Malaysia, or Nigeria. Just something to think about since you're ranting about criminals and illegals and how your country has gone down hill.

As a side note: The dream act is not about children born in the USA. It's about children brought to the USA by their parents. There are rules for these children to be eligible and one of those is not being in trouble with the law, ever. Maybe read up on it eh?

Well you obviously have a hard time reading, I specifically told someone that dream act is not about kids born here, they are already citizens. Your post makes no sense, so being the best place to live in the world makes it only fair that people want to come and destroy it? I'm not sure if you even read my post, I never implied that the USA wasn't founded by immigrants. I really don't understand the point to your post, so if the illegal immigrants take over the USA someday they will write history books and they will sound like heros? Basically you wrote to tell me things I said wrong, but yet I said them correctly and you just didn't understand it... You are more likely to be a criminal if you are raised by a criminal, you can argue that but other than that it's pretty straight forward. People should not be rewarded when they do something wrong it is something nobody can argue against.

[Andrea&Henry 311]

Mimo,

I think you need to get off your high horse a bit. I am sure it is easy for you to be critical of others when (it appears) you are already done with the process and with your loved one. If you have a problem with others "whining" or being inappropriate, then call them out specifically when they post. Reply to their post, or send them a personal note. But when you start a new thread, as you have done, it makes you appear as though you are being critical of all of us who are still waiting.

I, like most people, don't have a problem with illegals having the opportunity to apply and go through the immigration process. If you have a problem with them being called illegals, then get over it. It is not racist, or prejudicial. It is fact. They are here illegally. To call them illegals is simply calling them what they are. Having said I have no problem with them going through the process, I do have a MAJOR problem with them cutting in line. I am a law abiding, tax paying citizen. And my needs / wants are being displaced by people who are here illegally. But let’s call a spade a spade. We are currently being run by a very liberal administration. And DACA, Dream Act, whatever you want to call it, is nothing more than democrats making a reach for future votes. Very sleazy if you ask me. I doubt any of them are doing it out of the kindness of their own hearts.

11,000,000 illegals currently in the country? How can anyone not see that as a problem? I have 3 kids. Run the numbers. Very roughly 11/330 means 1/30 currently in the US are here illegally. That means from a statistical standpoint, each one of my kids has 1 kid in their classroom who does not belong there. They are draining the system, most likely not paying taxes, and now allowed to cut in line.

I'm very offended by your post. I can't believe you had the gall to post something so rediculous. Let them apply and go through the process normally just like the rest of us.

I couldn't be more agree with you!

Edited March 25, 2013 by Andrea&Henry

[Dave + Loni 10]

I'm not a PHD in math or any other field, but it's not required to simply look at the numbers, use simple logic and come to the simple conclusion that around the time the dream act starts K-1 and all other application at CSC slow down.

Logic tells us you can draw these conclusions baring facts to the contrary. since CSC will not provide facts to the contrary, the conclusion stands on its merits. you can dispute this all day long it won't change reality.

As many other have noted and I will agree, I have nothing against the dream act other than it's poor implamentation, lack of preplanning, thoughtless disreguard for the people ahead of them in line. These can be blamed not on the people filing claims but the USCIS and other govenment officials who jumped on the program without thinking about it's impact. And there unwillingness to talk about it to anyone, breeds the notion that they did something wrong in the way they implamented the program.

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[Zipline 23]

Here's some real simple math ....

DACA fee - $380 + $85 biometric fee = $465

I-129F fee - $340

$485 - $340 = $145

... you figure out the rest

[NikLR 13,232]

Well you obviously have a hard time reading, I specifically told someone that dream act is not about kids born here, they are already citizens. Your post makes no sense, so being the best place to live in the world makes it only fair that people want to come and destroy it? I'm not sure if you even read my post, I never implied that the USA wasn't founded by immigrants. I really don't understand the point to your post, so if the illegal immigrants take over the USA someday they will write history books and they will sound like heros? Basically you wrote to tell me things I said wrong, but yet I said them correctly and you just didn't understand it... You are more likely to be a criminal if you are raised by a criminal, you can argue that but other than that it's pretty straight forward. People should not be rewarded when they do something wrong it is something nobody can argue against.

Okay so, the people benefiting from the Dream act are not criminals. We agree on that right? Their parents may be, but the children themselves are not. You cannot convict a child of this crime, they're innocent. They didn't choose for their parents to bring them to the USA and stay here illegally. Should their parents have been kicked out a long time ago? Yes I agree with you there. Should they have done it the legal way? Yes they should have but they didn't. You cannot change the past. Should perhaps their parents still be deported? Perhaps yes, they should. But then the government is separating a family. Hrm... Makes you think does it not? Or do you already have the answer?

Lts say all the illegal immigrants become senators and presidents? They would write the history books to make it sound like what they did was okay and beneficial.

And yes, if you say "everyone is free and has rights in the USA" people from all over the place will want to be there, criminals included.

You stated, and I quoted "I believe our country was founded by immigrants" like there is any other way to think it was created? So I responded that yes, your country was founded by immigrants. There's no "i believe" it just "was." It's overly particular of me to argue the point, but I did so anyhow.

[madtownguy 164]

Okay so, the people benefiting from the Dream act are not criminals. We agree on that right? Their parents may be, but the children themselves are not. You cannot convict a child of this crime, they're innocent. They didn't choose for their parents to bring them to the USA and stay here illegally. Should their parents have been kicked out a long time ago? Yes I agree with you there. Should they have done it the legal way? Yes they should have but they didn't. You cannot change the past. Should perhaps their parents still be deported? Perhaps yes, they should. But then the government is separating a family. Hrm... Makes you think does it not? Or do you already have the answer?

Lts say all the illegal immigrants become senators and presidents? They would write the history books to make it sound like what they did was okay and beneficial.

And yes, if you say "everyone is free and has rights in the USA" people from all over the place will want to be there, criminals included.

You stated, and I quoted "I believe our country was founded by immigrants" like there is any other way to think it was created? So I responded that yes, your country was founded by immigrants. There's no "i believe" it just "was." It's overly particular of me to argue the point, but I did so anyhow.

Yup I agree with what you are saying. It's hard to blame the children, but if we told them you have to leave for 2 years and then we will let you back with a path to become a citizen it would make a lot more sense and they will learn a lesson. Anything that comes too easy won't be respected. I'm very extreme on most issues because I believe that often the most extreme remedies are the ones that work the best. If the death penalty was given to any illegal alien caught the problem would end immediately. Who would stay in a country with the risk to face death. Why we waste time securing borders and coming up with solutions when to me it seems to simple. I've "illegaly" crossed the border, true it's not illegal technically because I'm a citizen but even as a citizen they want us to cross at a check point.

I'm just about to finish my fiance visa and my fiance will be here in probably 3 weeks. I did everything by the book and waited, much longer than I thought it would take. Even though she is in the Philippines I could still very easily have gotten her here. I have plenty of friends with planes and boats that would never get checked with 1 extra passenger, but why would I want to start a relationship with breaking a law? If I was ok with that it would be reasonable to say I might be more inclined to break other laws I thought were ok to break. I really think kids are a reflection of their parents, so I don't really think they get this free pass because it wasn't their fault.

One of my step kids is an illegal immigrant, well was. He is literally the best kid in the US and probably the world. I like to think that is because of me but probably not he's just a really good kid. So there are exceptions to the rule. But he would be just fine had he needed to go back and wait a year or two in his country and he would appreciate things her a heck of a lot more. I have first hand knowledge of what the illegal community is, and it is sickening. I understand why they do it, and I don't blame them because it is our governments fault for allowing it to happen. BTW the USA is not a free country, Mexico is much much more free than the USA. If you really want to know what free is Dominican Republic is as free as it comes. I can't wait until the day comes that I can afford to live in Mexico, that is why I don't want a secure border because it locks me in just as much as it locks them out. Better to make them decide to stay out.

[madtownguy 164]

Here's some real simple math ....

DACA fee - $380 + $85 biometric fee = $465

I-129F fee - $340

$485 - $340 = $145

... you figure out the rest

I doubt that is what drives it plenty of people would pay way more than that for I129F to move to front of line.

[Bayareaguy 156]

Need to add ROC to the K1 fees.

[rascalcat 28]

Its bad that they have the same offices processing these applications. It is obviously an overload of applications that have come in from the Dream Act. They should have organized adequate staff to handle this seperately.. specially when they need to get these done fast. It was obvious that this was going to happen.. and there was nothing stopping the Government prepping for this. Its just common sense..