Same-Sex Marriage -- Why Supporting It Is Good For Children

[Danno 1,228]

Danno's one bogus study (which the author has said himself was more for political point-scoring than anything else): A+ #1 YAY

57 studies endorsed by the AAP: worthless

Got it.

Bogus study.

You did read the in-depth effort made after bloggers made this claim... and how they could not find one shred of evidence to cast doubt on the study?

The facts are this is the first study which located children who are now adults to see how they faired in life.... rather than do polling through "OuT Magazine"

Lets look at the startling findings shall we?

-Children with married hetro parents who are currently on welfare 17% of the time..... while the Lesbian. couples children were on the dole 69% (Think about that when asked -How does it effect me?)

-Identifies as Heterosexual -Kids of married folks 90% Kids of Lesbians only 69% consider themselves Hetrosexual ( WOW! and here some suggest "ALL" gays are born that way"[/i].)

-When asked, Ever had an adult touch you sexually? only 2% of kids from married parents said yes....... When the question was asked of kids from Lesbian parents the rate jumped to 23% , ten times the amount of kids in Married hetro homes.

-At anytime iin your life have you EVER BEEN FORCED TO HAVE SEX UNWILLFULLY? Kids from Hetro marriages said yes 8% of the time, The Children of Lesbians had a 300% increase of 31% saying yes.

-When asked "Have you ever thought about suicide?"..... the children of Lesbian couples answered yes more than twice as often.

Now I submit that in todays climate, no professional, no university or Newspaper could release such troubling and startling statistics without facing major repercussions if it were "bogus."

The study has been crawled over by you know who and the University found no evidence at all that the research was not valid.

The question is, do we try to ignore and even block out this information?

What do we value more; Children, truth and social science or a politically Correct gauntlet in which all such information is suppressed?

This study looks at what becomes of children on into adulthood, having been raised by various models (not just gays). The two male paradigm was bad also but not as bad as the Lesbian model

and I should point out that when we make these same comparisons to kids raised by single hetro parents we see similar troubling results so I think this is more about kids who are not raised by their parents than anything else.

Edited March 23, 2013 by Danno

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

This study looks at what becomes of children on into adulthood, having been raised by various models (not just gays). The two male paradigm was bad also but not as bad as the Lesbian model and I should point out that when we make these same comparisons to kids raised by single hetro parents we see similar troubling results so I think this is more about kids who are not raised by their parents than anything else.

The study did not actually compare kids raised in stable biological families - i.e. the biological father and mother in a stable marriage vs. those raised in committed same-sex relationship households (the closest you could come to a married hetero-sexual couple). The professor made this quite clear. So the comparison is really apples to oranges. The author makes no claim along the lines you imagine.

In the words of the study's author:

Those stably coupled mom-and-pop-relationships are not often a part of a lot of the previous studies (that include data on gay parents). So in the background of all this is kind of a recognition that we all know that mom-and-pop stably coupled households are good for kids. So a lot of comparisons in the past — when you talk about “no differences” (between children who grow up in same-sex households and children who grow up in heterosexual or single-parent households) have been between some degree of diminished family structure, whether it’s divorce or single parenthood. But in the public imagination, the discourse around this subject means there are no differences regardless of family structure. And when pushed, a lot of people who were critics of mine will say: “Yeah, we know that, obviously, family structure matters,” and then they’ll complain, “Why didn’t you find many stably coupled lesbians?” Well, they just were not that common in the nationally representative population. There were two cases where they said the mom and her partner lived together for 18 years. There was another several who lived together for 15 or 13 years. So, stability in the sense of long-term was not common. And frankly, it’s not all that common among heterosexual population. I take pains in the study to say this is not about saying gay or lesbian parents are inherently bad. It is not a study about parenting or parenthood, or parenting practices. I didn’t measure parenting practices.

[decocker 7,198]

in my experience - whenever both parents (be it biological or otherwise) are committed to their relationship and the children involved - the kids are happy and more secure. when both parents aren't - difficult decisions have to be made. the aap study lines up with my personal reality. i know only a couple same sex couples with children personally and their children are just fine.

[Danno 1,228]

So it would then stand to reason that allowing same sex couples to marry would be beneficial for the children raised in same sex relationship households.

That is actually a good point!

While SS relationships produce troubled children in so many ways, it probably would mitigate the effects by making them more stable.

Not to compare but to make a parallel,

Would a child be better off raised by a single mother who is a crack addict or this same mother ... married as a crack addict and living with her husband?

So yeah, research shows kids need the stability of being raised by their Mother and father .. married., or the best forms of imitation if that is not available, even where the parents are not-the-best, being connected to both parents are very important.....unless the parent is of course abusive or something like that.

To assume this adds to the call for gay marriage is short-sighted because by experimenting with "redefining" marriage (and it will then be further redefined) it creates a huge destabilization to the culture which tends to value marriage less and less.

In fact we have seen this with a few other social and legal changes of the last decade.

Edited March 23, 2013 by Danno

[Danno 1,228]

in my experience - whenever both parents (be it biological or otherwise) are committed to their relationship and the children involved - the kids are happy and more secure. when both parents aren't - difficult decisions have to be made. the aap study lines up with my personal reality. i know only a couple same sex couples with children personally and their children are just fine.

Who would expect you to relay any other "observance"?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

While SS relationships produce troubled children in so many ways...

There's no evidence to support that statement.

[decocker 7,198]

Would a child be better off raised by a single mother who is a crack addict or this same mother ... married as a crack addict and living with her husband?

uh. i can answer this question. though as the mother in my personal scenario, married to the crack addict, i may not sufficiently support your distaste for single mothers.

don't attempt to raise a child anywhere near a crack addict, even if he is the father of your child. nothing will work, no matter how hard you try. he will rob you and your child blind. crack addicts can also get pretty violent.

and no, he was not at all a crack addict, for the first ten years of our relationship or the first four years of our son's life. sh*t happens, danno.

Who would expect you to relay any other "observance"?

what do i care what people expect? i don't have any other observance to relay. i do have quite a few horror stories spawned of straight couples, if you want to dish..

[Danno 1,228]

uh. i can answer this question. though as the mother in my personal scenario, married to the crack addict,

If you are going to use my example.... then use my example don't change it to your different experience and take it apart.

My example said "The mother is a crack addict with a child.

assuming the child is going to be with her, is that child better off with the mom single or married (typically speaking)

Edited March 23, 2013 by Danno

[decocker 7,198]

If you are going to use my example.... then use my example don't change it to your different experience and take it apart.

My example said "The mother is a crack addict with a child.

assuming the child is going to be with her, is that child better off with the mom single or married (typically speaking)

but of course, the mother being the crack addict is the imperative variable.

[Danno 1,228]

but of course, the mother being the crack addict is the imperative variable.

No, the care taker being addicted and alone was the point.

[Danno 1,228]

There's no evidence to support that statement.

At least none you are willing to read.

[decocker 7,198]

No, the care taker being addicted and alone was the point.

why? what were you trying to prove?

[Danno 1,228]

The study did not actually compare kids raised in stable biological families - i.e. the biological father and mother in a stable marriage vs. those raised in committed same-sex relationship households (the closest you could come to a married hetero-sexual couple). The professor made this quite clear. So the comparison is really apples to oranges. The author makes no claim along the lines you imagine.

In the words of the study's author:

No and the Professor should not make such claims, his roll is to produce facts not make interpretations.

Those are left to us and others.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

At least none you are willing to read.

Where is the evidence. Don't point me to the study you posted earlier. Try as you may, it simply doesn't support the statement at all.

No and the Professor should not make such claims, his roll is to produce facts not make interpretations.

Those are left to us and others.

His roll?

[Danno 1,228]

His roll?

Yes his roll.

The most comprehensive study done to date and you reject the scrutinized outcome.

You prefer the metrics used by polling respondents in Gay magazines.

I hear ya.