A Filipina in Air Force Basic Training

[JoBri 548]

Actually, not a joke, if comparing Army basic training passing standards to Air Force basic training passing standards.

Army gives 2 minutes for push ups and 2 minutes for sit ups, compared to 1 minute for each in Air Force. Army requires 1/2 mile longer on run, but still is comparable to Air Force standards. The required total for each event with the extra time allowed in Army, breaks down as follows:

Army

Female Age 17-21 : Push Ups-13(2 minutes) Sit Ups-47(2 minutes) 2 Mile Run-19:42

Air Force

Female Age 17-21: Push Ups-18 (1 minute) Sit Ups-38(1 minute) 1.5 Mile Run-14:26

So if you do a percentage of the run time based on that pace, an Army basic trainee would have 20 seconds longer to still pass the run (14:46 at the given pace at 1.5 miles). Army requires 5 less push ups in 2 minutes than the Air Force requires in 1 minute. Army requires 9 more sit ups in 2 minutes than Air Force requires in 1 minute.

So the standards are comparable.

PT for air force? is a joke.....

sorry but its true

Edited March 23, 2013 by Brijo

[hellINTIM 9]

yes, i know, i have some experience about it.

But hey, time passes, things change - that's why I'm anxious to hear of news, aye?

[Nice to see you posting again, btw]

just been busy , pre-deployment is sucks lol. i wont complain on the food in AF base but their PT is a joke hahahaha. i miss on them theyre yelling saying "dont walk on the grass, thats AIR Force grass" wahahaha... unless EOD USAF ... that i will respect and not going to messed around lol...

[JoBri 548]

There ya go again... How is it a joke any more than Army PT is a joke?

just been busy , pre-deployment is sucks lol. i wont complain on the food in AF base but their PT is a joke hahahaha. i miss on them theyre yelling saying "dont walk on the grass, thats AIR Force grass" wahahaha... unless EOD USAF ... that i will respect and not going to messed around lol...

[JoBri 548]

I think any PT standard is bogus for ANY branch unless male and female use the same PT standard without lowering the requirements expected of the males. I encouraged my wife to pass the 17 year old male standards for push ups and sit ups in the Air Force. Just fell a little short on the run time. She can pass the mark on push ups and sit ups. She will get that run time down to a 17 year old male in basic training because she wants to. She is a 39 year old woman who can and will do as good as any male is required to do in basic training.

I don't think there should be 2 standards to accommodate women OR age. When they are all thrown into the mix together, each should be able to accomplish the same thing if that is what they are wanting to do by joining the military. That is why I pushed my wife to accomplish the requirements of any man in the Air Force (or the Army, Navy or Marines). I want her to be the best, as she does too, and that is what she is reaching for...the best. And if she falls short then she sure gave it HER best. And I am proud of her, very, very proud of her.

Edited March 27, 2013 by Brijo

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Glad to see you guys are doing well, Brijo. And glad to see you were vetted and determined NOT GUILTY of an OPSEC violation by talking about basic training... LOL

And as far as I can see, PT is what you make of it, regardless of WHICH branch you are in. AF PT tests are harder than Army, or at least the PT tests I took in the AF 20 years ago. Not sure what the standards are now, but we used to do 5 events in 20 minutes. The Army has 3 events with 20 minutes between events. Besides, PT is for those not smart enough to figure out how to solve a problem with brains instead of brawn.

[JoBri 548]

Glad to see you guys are doing well, Brijo. And glad to see you were vetted and determined NOT GUILTY of an OPSEC violation by talking about basic training... LOL

And as far as I can see, PT is what you make of it, regardless of WHICH branch you are in. AF PT tests are harder than Army, or at least the PT tests I took in the AF 20 years ago. Not sure what the standards are now, but we used to do 5 events in 20 minutes. The Army has 3 events with 20 minutes between events. Besides, PT is for those not smart enough to figure out how to solve a problem with brains instead of brawn.

LOL... hehehe... That gave me a good laugh. Needed that.

Wow, so nice to see you again! Havent seen you forever. You doing alright? Glad you commented here because I was wondering what became of you.

It has been so quiet here with my wife gone. i hate it. She probably hates it too (basic training that is) but it is what she chose and I sure didnt stand in her way. Just can hardly stand her being gone though. I sorta envy her though. I told her in a letter tonight that this week she gets to learn about the parts of a rifle while I get to throw another load of pee-soaked laundry into the washing machine.

God bless you and your wife. Good to see you again

[JoBri 548]

By the way, AF only has 3 events now, 4 if you are a male or ambitious female, which I encourage my wife to be. Push ups (5 more in 1 minute than Army women in 2 minutes), and sit ups in one minute, and the 1.5 mile run. But they (women) get "extra credit" if they can do the pull ups too. My wife will do it. She can walk on water (Just kidding, hehe). Happy Easter!

(

Glad to see you guys are doing well, Brijo. And glad to see you were vetted and determined NOT GUILTY of an OPSEC violation by talking about basic training... LOL

And as far as I can see, PT is what you make of it, regardless of WHICH branch you are in. AF PT tests are harder than Army, or at least the PT tests I took in the AF 20 years ago. Not sure what the standards are now, but we used to do 5 events in 20 minutes. The Army has 3 events with 20 minutes between events. Besides, PT is for those not smart enough to figure out how to solve a problem with brains instead of brawn.

[JoBri 548]

I have a soft spot in my heart though for the Army. The Army has it much harder in the end than the Air Force. When I was stationed in Germany, I was on a soccer team of Christian athletes. When we competed against the Air Force teams we were shocked they called the barracks "dorms" and had German cleaning women to come and clean their "dorms". And the food was fantastic! But we had great food too. We had a NATO contingent billeted with us, and they had a German baker who stayed up late nights decorating cakes for the NATO dining facility at which I was able to eat.

[JoBri 548]

When I said "NATO" I meant CENTAG, as in Central Army Group, which for us was German soldiers, and thus a German baker. Sorry, that was about 30 years ago, and I began to forget some things I guess. I just remembered that and needed to correct that.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Airmen get better quarters than Army officers do, although the digs at Fort Belvoir were pretty sweet when I TDY'd there for the EOBC short course.

Edited March 27, 2013 by The Patriot

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

We are doing great, Brijo. I kinda backed away from the forums because of some drama here, didn't need it in my life; I have a job, kids, a new wife... why put up with the folks on here who make our lives miserable with their childish meanderings?

But I have met many great folks like you, so I wanted to step back in for a minute and see what's going on. I was happy to see your post about your wife in the AF. I remember back when it was just her idea. Now you guys have made it a reality, and I am proud of you. Though I have NO intentions of offering assistance with the pee-soaked diapers, lol.

We will soon be leaving Alaska, though I am not sure where to just yet. Alaska has been beautiful, no place in the world quite like it. I'll probably be retiring in the next couple of years, so will have to finally figure out what I want to be now that I am almost grown up.

[JoBri 548]

There is a guy in the Army here who lives in the same apartment building as me who came here from Alaska. I haven't had a chance to talk with him much yet, but I think he may be an Army recruiter now. But he still has Alaska license plates on his truck. I wonder if you knew him? Have to get out and talk with him soon and find out who he is and what he did in the Army in Alaska. I am sure it is beautiful up there. The only time I saw it was flying back and forth between here and the Philippines, and we flew over Alaska and I saw all the snow from the air. I hope wherever you go will be equally as nice for you. And I will leave you a message when I find out where this neighbor of ours was assigned in the military in Alaska.

We are doing great, Brijo. I kinda backed away from the forums because of some drama here, didn't need it in my life; I have a job, kids, a new wife... why put up with the folks on here who make our lives miserable with their childish meanderings?

But I have met many great folks like you, so I wanted to step back in for a minute and see what's going on. I was happy to see your post about your wife in the AF. I remember back when it was just her idea. Now you guys have made it a reality, and I am proud of you. Though I have NO intentions of offering assistance with the pee-soaked diapers, lol.

We will soon be leaving Alaska, though I am not sure where to just yet. Alaska has been beautiful, no place in the world quite like it. I'll probably be retiring in the next couple of years, so will have to finally figure out what I want to be now that I am almost grown up.

[Kevo 69]

By the way, AF only has 3 events now, 4 if you are a male or ambitious female, which I encourage my wife to be. Push ups (5 more in 1 minute than Army women in 2 minutes), and sit ups in one minute, and the 1.5 mile run. But they (women) get "extra credit" if they can do the pull ups too. My wife will do it. She can walk on water (Just kidding, hehe). Happy Easter!

(

Huh? That must be a basic training thing. AF fitness evals are 1. 1.5 mile run, 2. Abdominal circumference measurement, 3. Pushups, 4. Situps.

If you're on a physical profile approved by a physician then you can be exempted from one or more and also a walk (not sure how far, I think 3 miles) with measured heart-rate somehow calculated can be substituted for the run.

Edited March 27, 2013 by Kevo

[JoBri 548]

I didnt count measuring the tummy and walking as events, hehe. Was just talking about real physical stuff here. In the Army it is sit ups, push ups and 2 mile run. In Air Force, "events" I think of as real events are the push ups, sit ups and 1.5 mile run... and pull ups if you have to do them. In the Army too they do BMI on those who are overweight. But we didnt consider that a physical training event, and I dont consider abdominal circumference measurement a physical event either, but maybe the Air Force does. Sorry, that makes me smile.

Huh? That must be a basic training thing. AF fitness evals are 1. 1.5 mile run, 2. Abdominal circumference measurement, 3. Pushups, 4. Situps.

If you're on a physical profile approved by a physician then you can be exempted from one or more and also a walk (not sure how far, I think 3 miles) with measured heart-rate somehow calculated can be substituted for the run.

Edited March 27, 2013 by Brijo

[Kevo 69]

I didnt count measuring the tummy and walking as events, hehe. Was just talking about real physical stuff here. In the Army it is sit ups, push ups and 2 mile run. In Air Force, "events" I think of as real events are the push ups, sit ups and 1.5 mile run... and pull ups if you have to do them. In the Army too they do BMI on those who are overweight. But we didnt consider that a physical training event, and I dont consider abdominal circumference measurement a physical event either.

I used to be a UFPM and do fitness evals for almost everyone in my unit. One Lt was going to the Army through the "blue to green" program and had to pass an Army fit eval before his application was approved...after coordinating with the Army I tested him, and it included situps. This was a few years ago, around 2008.

No pull-ups for the AF, male or female...unless that is just a basic training thing they're doing now.