CASABLANCA

[chiquita 0]

This is true, we had the age but according to everyone and legally that is discremination and was addressed all the way thru the application. We are not the first nor the last im sure to have the age matter. The person doing Ahmeds interview never even looked at ANY of the material i had sent in my neatly divided notebook, not one piece. She ask him one question if i had ever sent him money, which truthfully i had forget and there was no evidence at all to bring this up. Him being mr i always tell the truth, told her yes once. BUT then she never gave him the opportunity to say "but i returned it when she made the visit". Then she ask him "have you known other American women, again mr truthful, "yes i have had many friends i enjoy to talk my 3 languages with" the main word being HAD to him but maybe not to her.

So you see they piece the story together to fit their opinions only, they have nothing on us, because there is NOTHING to have on us, everything was right out in the open with nothing to hide. He felt the interview went very good, he has no background or reasons that HE should not qualify as a person to get the visa,and i dont see Casa as God to decide who should choose to be together in life, and all our papers were done very carefully with no problems accepted all the way down the line....so you tell me, why were we denied (age) again are we the first or last with this issue, (money) 1 time he paid back, has no one else done this, ive seen they even included the many receipts they have,(others) who on the computer doesnt have friends from all over the world?

Anyone going thru Casa should beware, you can do perfect papers and tell the truth and it wont matter one little bit, they do as the please. How many are married and they dont believe the marriages? i think they are putting themselves just a little bit to much to make the decisions into other peoples lives

Also IF we were given a reason for denial i would glady say, but we dont know either nor can we find out.

you are so right!!!!

i even put in my responce to the NOIR that considering age is discrimination!!!

i cossed all my t's and dotted al my i's. it was not enough. i organized everything to make it a breeze when the USCIS/CO went trhough our case. i addressed each and every potentional RED FLAG. lol...back then i had never even heard of red flags but i had enough sense to address everything and anything i could so that there would be no question about our relationship.

the best anyone can do is try to be prepared. we have no idea who will or will not get a visa based on what is even more of a mystery reason by all of us who has been through it.

there is one bright light though, if i may bring it up. if you are married you will be able to overturn the supposed finding of the CO and have your case returned to casa for another interview. for fiance we are not sure who will get this chance and who will not. it depends on the service center that approved the petition the first time. i know this makes no sense! there should be a policy about this across the board but sadly there is not. kiyah can address this issue much better than i can. she has suffered through this mess first hand.

chi

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'll ask. I've referred them to Kiya and Chiquita.

i have not heard from the couple yet. does anyone know what happened?

chi

I haven't heard again from Abbas since he messaged me, but I did tell him that I would be contacting you and Kiya for him. I also sent along some info that Kiya sent to me for him. I'm hoping that the denial was just a misunderstanding and maybe they weren't denied at all, but he was sure they had been denied, and I told him that he needed to move fast. Abbas doesn't always respond to PMs quickly.

A woman being denied is a rarity, so this is doubly scary, imo. I know they did so many things well; I've been helping them for months, and Abbas is very good about following directions. Something may have gone wrong at the interview, at least, that's what he believed at the time he informed me that they were denied. Insha'allah, we will hear from him very soon!

PS - And, yes, if we KNEW why people were denied, we'd broadcast it to help others. Casa plays it close to the vest re denials.

Edited April 7, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

[brnidokiegurl 0]

section 212 g wich prohibits the issuance of a visa to anyone whose application does not not comply with the provisions of the immigration and nationality act or regulations issued pursuant thereto.the following remarks apply in your case *

your petition has been returned to the department of homeland security s bureau of citizenship and immigration servises USCIS for further review . please contact the USCIS national customer servise center at 1-800-375-5283 1-800-767-1833 for tyy calls for additional information about your petition

ok ahmed emailed me the paragraph he was given above now what does "DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE PROVISIONS ETC ETC" then the little * which he was given no reason to be returned.

What is the problem to address and fix if we are not told?? what provision or regulation did we not follow...

I dont mind to share this with anyone as i stated we dont have anything TO hide

[peezey 0]

i really wish people would put why couples are denied so some people can see whats coming for them. like if they had a huge age gap or whatever big red flags... or what?!

The problem is, if you go back to the threads, there is no denial reason, nothing clear, nothing at all.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

section 212 g wich prohibits the issuance of a visa to anyone whose application does not not comply with the provisions of the immigration and nationality act or regulations issued pursuant thereto.the following remarks apply in your case *

your petition has been returned to the department of homeland security s bureau of citizenship and immigration servises USCIS for further review . please contact the USCIS national customer servise center at 1-800-375-5283 1-800-767-1833 for tyy calls for additional information about your petition

ok ahmed emailed me the paragraph he was given above now what does "DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE PROVISIONS ETC ETC" then the little * which he was given no reason to be returned.

What is the problem to address and fix if we are not told?? what provision or regulation did we not follow...

I dont mind to share this with anyone as i stated we dont have anything TO hide

That's the standard wording on every 221g, whether it's simply a request for a missing document, or a more complicated situation such as a return to USCIS. Then they put the reason a visa was not issued down below it, after an asterisk, as you see in yours.

I have never of heard anyone here with a returned petition whose 221g actually stated the specific reason why. And it seems that Casa does not share this information very easily -- I am trying to think if I've ever seen a petitioner or beneficiary here in ME/NA who has been able to pry it out of them. Maybe once or twice. Sometimes people don't find out what exactly the Consulate considered "invalid" about their relationship until months later, as they appealed their case with USCIS.

One of the others with personal experience in this can give you specific details on how they obtained the consulate's grounds for return in their cases. Hope it can help.

Again, I'm really sorry you're having to face this kind of ordeal. I must say that you are showing amazing strength and cool-headedness in an extremely stressful situation, and I admire that very much. You seem like a real fighter, and I have confidence that you have the strength to get through this.

All the best to you and your fiance in facing this challenge.

-MK

[chiquita 0]

section 212 g wich prohibits the issuance of a visa to anyone whose application does not not comply with the provisions of the immigration and nationality act or regulations issued pursuant thereto.the following remarks apply in your case *

your petition has been returned to the department of homeland security s bureau of citizenship and immigration servises USCIS for further review . please contact the USCIS national customer servise center at 1-800-375-5283 1-800-767-1833 for tyy calls for additional information about your petition

ok ahmed emailed me the paragraph he was given above now what does "DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE PROVISIONS ETC ETC" then the little * which he was given no reason to be returned.

What is the problem to address and fix if we are not told?? what provision or regulation did we not follow...

I dont mind to share this with anyone as i stated we dont have anything TO hide

this is the problem. no reason is ever given.

we were never given the reason on the NOIR that i received. nothing concrete that is. just generalities...

ie husband does not meet the requirements required for the benifit sought. the CO concluded the relationship was not valid for immigration purposes.

what does that tell me?? not a thing.

i wish there was more to help others but not even the petitioner gets to know the reason.

chi

[sereia 0]

thanks for your resposes. i didn't mean to make it seem like i felt people who were denied were keeping information from us. its awful they can't give you the decency to tell you WHY they deny you!

i thank you all who come here and post your experiences so we can all learn (and those who can help)! i will go back and read more of your posts so i get a better idea of all your experiences. i wish you luck in the future!

[mybackpages 0]

And it seems that Casa does not share this information very easily -- I am trying to think if I've ever seen a petitioner or beneficiary here in ME/NA who has been able to pry it out of them. Maybe once or twice. Sometimes people don't find out what exactly the Consulate considered "invalid" about their relationship until months later, as they appealed their case with USCIS.

And this is one of most disturbing problems inherent in this system. The view of the DOS is that the burden of proof is on the beneficiary. It's a case of guilty until you prove your innocence. Our laws are so opposed to this in the legal system, it is appalling to me that this mentality takes hold here where many many innocent people are caught in the process.

The DOS doe snot feel it is compelled to answer to these non-citizens. Shameful esp in the context of family based immigration.

[brnidokiegurl 0]

No prob i know you are like anyone else concerned about whats ahead, but i think we just found there is no plan to be prepared no right way to gather information, no right way to practice the possible questions. I had read, we talked over questions etc.....we had everything, but if they dont ask the same questions or look at the papers thats not going to help when the time comes.

Thanks MK ummmm if you have seen me around then you know im not to good at keeping my mouth shut if im wrong i will acknowledge but if im not i wont just lay down and take it and in this case we are not wrong. As i said logically i know im no different i cant change government or even fight them to great extent they wont treat me any differently than the one before me or the one after me but in time THEY WILL REMEMBER AND KNOW WHO WE ARE..cool head NO if they were in front of me grrrrrrrrrr

[brnidokiegurl 0]

maybe they dont feel the need to answer to the non-citizen but at this time they are not answering to the citizen either and if they need reminding they are representing me as the citizen i dont mind at all to help them remember who pays their bills

Edited April 7, 2007 by brnidokiegurl

[Michaela_Hassan 1]

Wow Okiegirl I'm so sorry to read about this! You'll be in my prayers! Sorry they did you like that.

Michaela

[chiquita 0]

No prob i know you are like anyone else concerned about whats ahead, but i think we just found there is no plan to be prepared no right way to gather information, no right way to practice the possible questions. I had read, we talked over questions etc.....we had everything, but if they dont ask the same questions or look at the papers thats not going to help when the time comes.

Thanks MK ummmm if you have seen me around then you know im not to good at keeping my mouth shut if im wrong i will acknowledge but if im not i wont just lay down and take it and in this case we are not wrong. As i said logically i know im no different i cant change government or even fight them to great extent they wont treat me any differently than the one before me or the one after me but in time THEY WILL REMEMBER AND KNOW WHO WE ARE..cool head NO if they were in front of me grrrrrrrrrr

very true. very true indeed.

i am sure the CO knew exactly everything i did to prove they LIED and were SO WRONG. she kept apologizing the entire time i was there. she said she was sorry for what we had went through. does that not tell they know full well they are wrong but dont care?

by the time of our 2nd interview our case file was HUGE! trust me i omitted nothing. i am sure my anger and outrage (but polite) at how we were treated came through quite clear.

chi

[peezey 0]

I haven't heard again from Abbas since he messaged me, but I did tell him that I would be contacting you and Kiya for him. I also sent along some info that Kiya sent to me for him. I'm hoping that the denial was just a misunderstanding and maybe they weren't denied at all, but he was sure they had been denied, and I told him that he needed to move fast. Abbas doesn't always respond to PMs quickly.

A woman being denied is a rarity, so this is doubly scary, imo. I know they did so many things well; I've been helping them for months, and Abbas is very good about following directions. Something may have gone wrong at the interview, at least, that's what he believed at the time he informed me that they were denied. Insha'allah, we will hear from him very soon!

PS - And, yes, if we KNEW why people were denied, we'd broadcast it to help others. Casa plays it close to the vest re denials.

Any update? I'm hoping there is just a misunderstanding about what their 221g says (if they got one).

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Nothing yet. Thanks for asking!

[m&n 0]

I'm sorry for everyone having to go through this......that is ridiculous......is it supposed to be some sort of a guessing game....they should at LEAST give you a reason why they think there's a problem.......

I hope you can get this straightened out.

This is true, we had the age but according to everyone and legally that is discremination and was addressed all the way thru the application. We are not the first nor the last im sure to have the age matter. The person doing Ahmeds interview never even looked at ANY of the material i had sent in my neatly divided notebook, not one piece. She ask him one question if i had ever sent him money, which truthfully i had forget and there was no evidence at all to bring this up. Him being mr i always tell the truth, told her yes once. BUT then she never gave him the opportunity to say "but i returned it when she made the visit". Then she ask him "have you known other American women, again mr truthful, "yes i have had many friends i enjoy to talk my 3 languages with" the main word being HAD to him but maybe not to her.

So you see they piece the story together to fit their opinions only, they have nothing on us, because there is NOTHING to have on us, everything was right out in the open with nothing to hide. He felt the interview went very good, he has no background or reasons that HE should not qualify as a person to get the visa,and i dont see Casa as God to decide who should choose to be together in life, and all our papers were done very carefully with no problems accepted all the way down the line....so you tell me, why were we denied (age) again are we the first or last with this issue, (money) 1 time he paid back, has no one else done this, ive seen they even included the many receipts they have,(others) who on the computer doesnt have friends from all over the world?

Anyone going thru Casa should beware, you can do perfect papers and tell the truth and it wont matter one little bit, they do as the please. How many are married and they dont believe the marriages? i think they are putting themselves just a little bit to much to make the decisions into other peoples lives

Also IF we were given a reason for denial i would glady say, but we dont know either nor can we find out.