One conservative's dramatic reversal on gay marriage

[BaBamSam 239]

This is the part that makes you look silly.

You have already said you would stand in the way of people who are legally able to marry now.... from getting married, why

Because you you think only consenting adults should be able to marry.

When that is not the law in most places nor the tradition.

Yur a phoney just admit it.

I on the other hand recognize that lines not only must be drawn but are drawn now and will be in the future.

Some people will be told "sorry" ... we don't allow that, if it be men and men.... Brothers marrying brothers or off shoots of the Mormon church who want to wed several 16 year old girls or fathers marrying their "consenting" adult daughters.

Because you are not aware does not mean that others, using your principle are not ready to fight for their "rights" too.

Trust me with 340 million people there are many many out there.

Oh, Danno. You never cease to amaze me. I can't fathom the logic behind anything you spew.

[Danno 1,228]

Oh, Danno. You never cease to amaze me. I can't fathom the logic behind anything you spew.

Same if you are just going to copy and paste these tag lines in post after post..... at least post an accompanying photo thats a little entertaining, that way it won't be a total waste.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Same if you are just going to copy and paste these tag lines in post after post..... at least post an accompanying photo thats a little entertaining, that way it won't be a total waste.

Care to give an example of this social chaos you're describing in countries that already allow gay marriage? I'm curious to see how their structure as a society is crumbling under the weight of all those gays getting married.

[BaBamSam 239]

Same if you are just going to copy and paste these tag lines in post after post..... at least post an accompanying photo thats a little entertaining, that way it won't be a total waste.

A total waste? Have you read anything you've ever posted? Perhaps I wouldn't question your logic so often if you could provide some rationale behind your thoughts and opinions, or at least enlighten us as to how your mind arrives at certain conclusions. Or at least post verifiable sources to back up your claims.

[Danno 1,228]

A total waste? Have you read anything you've ever posted? Perhaps I wouldn't question your logic so often if you could provide some rationale behind your thoughts and opinions, or at least enlighten us as to how your mind arrives at certain conclusions. Or at least post verifiable sources to back up your claims.

Hey, you almost managed proper paragraph there.

[BaBamSam 239]

Hey, you almost managed proper paragraph there.

Your hubris is just astounding. (c wut i did thur?)

It's early - I'm sure I'll get to your level soon.

[Danno 1,228]

Care to give an example of this social chaos you're describing in countries that already allow gay marriage? I'm curious to see how their structure as a society is crumbling under the weight of all those gays getting married.

Well of course the seed is barely out of the ground, I mean it's only been a decade or two at the most for most places experimenting but we do know this already.

Where you have gay marriage you begin to have repression of people who disagree on principle, I think even a bishop was set upon in Canada.

We see right here in this country Orphanages shut down because they can't in good conscience betray their faith and adopt to gays.

We have seen the marriage rate plummet in one of the Scandinavia countries.

We see the Public school system being used to indoctrinate children at the earliest ages that "both hetro and ** marriages are equally valid" .....against their parents wishes and convictions on the matter.

Need me to go on?

And the seed is barely out of the ground.

[BaBamSam 239]

Well of course the seed is barely out of the ground, I mean it's only been a decade or two at the most for most places experimenting but we do know this already.

Where you have gay marriage you begin to have repression of people who disagree on principle, I think even a bishop was set upon in Canada.

We see right here in this country Orphanages shut down because they can't in good conscience betray their faith and adopt to gays.

We have seen the marriage rate plummet in one of the Scandinavia countries.

We see the Public school system being used to indoctrinate children at the earliest ages that "both hetro and ** marriages are equally valid" .....against their parents wishes and convictions on the matter.

Need me to go on?

And the seed is barely out of the ground.

Sorry, were these examples of "social chaos"? I'm missing the chaos part.

To say that gay marriage leads to repression is a bit baffling to me. The oppression of homosexuals, currently, is of no relevance to you?

Gay marriage is allowed...which leads to drop in marriage. I'm not following the causation here.

To teach equality is bad? I don't think I should have to remind you that you are making this argument identically to the ones used by racists when segregation was outlawed.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Well of course the seed is barely out of the ground, I mean it's only been a decade or two at the most for most places experimenting but we do know this already.

Where you have gay marriage you begin to have repression of people who disagree on principle, I think even a bishop was set upon in Canada.

We see right here in this country Orphanages shut down because they can't in good conscience betray their faith and adopt to gays.

We have seen the marriage rate plummet in one of the Scandinavia countries.

We see the Public school system being used to indoctrinate children at the earliest ages that "both hetro and ** marriages are equally valid" .....against their parents wishes and convictions on the matter.

Need me to go on?

And the seed is barely out of the ground.

That's why you see orphanages shut down? Because gay people wanting to adopt? Have a source on that one?

How does gay marriage impact heterosexual marriage rates? Again, source please. Heterosexual marriages in this country fail as much as they succeed. Are the failures the fault of the gays?

I like your use of the word indoctrinate here. Is teaching a child at an early age that marriage is between a man and a woman considered indoctrination? Or do you only use that word when children are being taught something you disagree with.

[james&olya 1,121]

Need me to go on?

Do we have a choice? Would you stop if a majority voted for you to?

[Danno 1,228]

That's why you see orphanages shut down? Because gay people wanting to adopt? Have a source on that one?

How does gay marriage impact heterosexual marriage rates? Again, source please. Heterosexual marriages in this country fail as much as they succeed. Are the failures the fault of the gays?

I like your use of the word indoctrinate here. Is teaching a child at an early age that marriage is between a man and a woman considered indoctrination? Or do you only use that word when children are being taught something you disagree with.

Evlyin do you read the news?

I think most people are aware in several locations The Catholic church was forced out of the work they used to do with Orphans.

You ask for sources then when I supply them none are good enough.

Whats the point, you already know what you don't know.

[Danno 1,228]

Sorry, were these examples of "social chaos"? I'm missing the chaos part.

To say that gay marriage leads to repression is a bit baffling to me. The oppression of homosexuals, currently, is of no relevance to you?

Gay marriage is allowed...which leads to drop in marriage. I'm not following the causation here.

To teach equality is bad? I don't think I should have to remind you that you are "

NO, actually you have that backwards, it was the CHurch then

which lead the call of freedom and it was people like you who said things like - If you don't like slavery ... don't own one.

Anyway, I know the liberal bumpersticker slogans really captivates you but let me clue you in.... Hypothetically speaking, If there were a movement to marry people and their pets,

those who oppose it could (under your logic) be accused of "acting just like those in the day of Jim Crow,"

SO your bumpersticker slogan basically holds that anytime someone resists a change in marriage law, they de facto become Bull Connor.

ooooK.

[BaBamSam 239]

NO, actually you have that backwards, it was the CHurch then

which lead the call of freedom and it was people like you who said things like - If you don't like slavery ... don't own one.

Anyway, I know the liberal bumpersticker slogans really captivates you but let me clue you in.... Hypothetically speaking, If there were a movement to marry people and their pets,

those who oppose it could (under your logic) be accused of "acting just like those in the day of Jim Crow,"

SO your bumpersticker slogan basically holds that anytime someone resists a change in marriage law, they de facto become Bull Connor.

ooooK.

Again, you do not follow my logic and have returned to Danno logic.

One, I am not a liberal, but I find no offense in being called one in a manner that you clearly meant to be insulting.

And my "slogan" applies to situations where parents and families teach that someone is lesser due to race/sexuality/religion/etc. and get upset when a secular government or secular entity teaches an equal playing field.

[Danno 1,228]

Again, you do not follow my logic and have returned to Danno logic.

One, I am not a liberal, but I find no offense in being called one in a manner that you clearly meant to be insulting.

And my "slogan" applies to situations where parents and families teach that someone is lesser due to race/sexuality/religion/etc. and get upset when a secular government or secular entity teaches an equal playing field.

When I say the word "children" what does that mean?

If I say, well Sam adults are great and all but they just aren't children, does that mean I hate adults or that adults are necessarily lesser than children?

It simply means to call 35 year old man a child, changes the definition.

Marriage nearly universally means the joining of man and women. In western Culture is almost always one man and one woman.

To claim two men joined in love is equal to a man in a women suggests you don't yet appreciate the "roll" of marriage in society.

You are thinking only in the most hedonistic terms of -two people fulfilling each other.

Every child has a mother and father, that three point connection is unique and special and it's worth protecting.

You would seriously risk the foundation of our society so that 3% of the population can call themselves married by law?

I think you are friggin nuts and time will prove me right.

[BaBamSam 239]

When I say the word "children" what does that mean?

If I say, well Sam adults are great and all but they just aren't children, does that mean I hate adults or that adults are necessarily lesser than children?

It simply means to call 35 year old man a child, changes the definition.

Marriage nearly universally means the joining of man and women. In western Culture is almost always one man and one woman.

To claim two men joined in love is equal to a man in a women suggests you don't yet appreciate the "roll" of marriage in society.

You are thinking only in the most hedonistic terms of -two people fulfilling each other.

Every child has a mother and father, that three point connection is unique and special and it's worth protecting.

You would seriously risk the foundation of our society so that 3% of the population can call themselves married by law?

I think you are friggin nuts and time will prove me right.

We have different definitions of marriage. But I'd love to have a marriage "roll" if there's butter on it please.

Now if we're talking about the "role" of marriage, you're right. I don't appreciate it. I find the societal construct of marriage, historically, very oppressive. I am glad it has been changing for the last 25 years.

Every child does not have a mother and father - and that is fine. Better in some situations that one of the parents is removed.

I think you are ignorant and close-minded, and time has already started to prove me right