Halal meat

[devotedpartners 77]

What!! I think your husband is muslim? Ok I know about the link you sent, but do you know it talks about slaughtered meat. We can eat if its slaughtered meat like the God said. In the link you provided, to say bismillah then you can eat, this was for people that didn't know where this meat came from and (this happened in time of war). Non muslim countries don't always slaughter the animal they kill the animal with beating or shooting or electrifying, etc. Then you go to the butcher and you know its not halal meat and you say oh its ok, just bismilah its enough - then no and no. If you know the word "tayibat" and what it means in this verse you would see this verse is not very debatable at all.

Unfortunately brother, you are wrong in this.

[MedRoni 161]

Unfortunately brother, you are wrong in this.

The bottom line is no one will know 100% what was meant until the end of days. So people can sit here and tell each other we are all right or wrong... and so what?

But salim82's belief is to only eat halal meat, which every muslim agrees is acceptable. If he is right, no problem when judgement day comes around. If he is wrong, still no problem on judgement day as he only ate what was clearly allowed. If you are right... again no issues on judgement day, great! If you are wrong... then you just might have some explaining to do after all.

I guess what I am saying is we KNOW he is following halal eating standards, nothing to debate with any muslim out there. He is not eating anything many Islamic scholars have not agreed upon. If they cannot agree, then it is not so clear, therefore salim82 may be right. Better to be safe than sorry.

[salim82 8]

Unfortunately brother, you are wrong in this.

I'm wrong??!! So the God is wrong too? Ok, you give us (God and myself)the truth.

There's alot of surat in the Koran that talk about the hallal food or meat and I try to answer you with this verse.

God says in 5/3: 1 "carrion" is forbidden for you and "blood" and "swine flesh", 2 "and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah", 3 and the "strangled" and 4 "the dead through beating" 5 and "that fell from a high place and died". 6 and "that which has been killed by horns", 7 and the "devoured of wild beasts" 8 and "that which hath been immolated unto idols". Till the end of sura

What it means:

1: Forbidden for muslims are carrion and bloody and the pork, and this is clear.

2: What mentioned by name is the name of God. It means bissmillah.

3: Who died by strangulation.

4: Who was killed with battered machine or heavy stone or otherwise died.

5: Dead through falling from a height.

6: The goring of.

7: What fanged animal killed them.

8: Any thing sacrificed to idols, and the like.

Now look to the 1.2.3 to 4. Do they exist in a non-Muslim country or not? Yes they do, and you know that they do.

I follow what is commanded by God, in the Koran which is clear what is halal and what is forbidden. If I were mistaken for you, I don't care. For God I am right and this is most important to me. If how to kill or slaughter animals does not matter, then why has Allah revealed all these verses of prohibition?

وَلا تَقُولُوا لِمَا تَصِفُ أَلْسِنَتُكُمْ الْكَذِبَ هَذَا حَلالٌ وَهَذَا حَرَامٌ لِتَفْتَرُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ الْكَذِبَ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَفْتَرُونَ عَلَى اللَّهِ الْكَذِبَ لا يُفْلِحُونَ

[sandinista! 1,816]

I agree maybe I did not word this well. I was referring to the act of draining blood from the animal as the bible states should be done - Leviticus 17:13, not that there is some actual manner of slaughter as far as a ritual, etc. goes. I also did not say Christians ever followed Jewish Koscher laws.

I also agree with you here about the additives in the meat and the freshness, but I grew up on a farm myself watching how the animals were butchered and I can tell you not all the blood is drained out as well as it could be, or shall I say should be when they are killed in some slaughter house type scenarios. I personally don't agree the majority kill in the same halal, zabihah and koscher shechita method. There are far too many horror stories out there for me to believe that all US slaughterhouses follow this. Some of what I see in the meat in the stores is additives and coloring to make it look pretty, sure - but I am also thoroughly convinced some of it is in fact blood. I wouldn't personally eat it, but then again we all have our choices to make! Thank you for some of the insight!

Leviticus 17:13, along with the rest of the book, is one of the main sources of kosher law. So do they just follow that one little part, and discard the rest? Where does Paul fit in, and him saying they can eat anything, it's all clean and ok, even meat sacrificed to idols so long as their faith and consciences are clear and their doing so does not corrupt others, I wonder?

Yeah, many slaughterhouses leave a lot to be desired. Halal and kosher slaughterhouses are just as fallible as anyone else's. What's supposed to happen as opposed to what actually happens is an issue for everyone. The US is certainly not alone when it comes to animal welfare and slaughterhouse operation issues.

All meat from exsanguinated animals is going to have small amounts of residual blood. All of it. There have been studies on this, in peer reviewed journals, that concluded that stunned animals actually have a little less residual blood than non-stunned shechita slaughtered animals. They're just as exsanguinated, if not more. The majority of residual blood remains in the organs, not in muscle tissue. So if you're eating liver, yeah there might be some minuscule amounts of blood along with myoglobin. Steak, kefta, etc., no.

Koshering goes a step further-meat has to be soaked in cold water for a certain amount of time and then covered in salt and then rinsed again. As far as I know, those steps are not required for halal prep.

Edited March 15, 2013 by sandinista!

[sarsorti 36]

A few quibbles. Please detail exactly what the Christian manner of slaughter is, as detailed in the bible. The majority of Christians do not follow Jewish kosher dietary laws and methods, as a matter of belief. It is their belief, and upheld by a majority of catholic and Protestant leaders over the ages that this is simply not a requirement of the faith. So what is the exact ritual followed for slaughtering an animal for food then that "Christians" were doing? Did it differ between Rome and Constantinople and Damascus?

Some science stuff-the utter majority of animals like cows and lamb in the United States in mass production slaughterhouses are killed by exsanguination, just like halal zabihah and kosher shechita method. They're killed by severing the great blood vessels of the neck along with the trachea,esophagus and vagus nerve. They're drained of all their blood too.

It's a quality control/taste issue. It increases the shelf life of meat and most consumers prefer its taste when the blood has been fully drained. Red liquid in most meat is not blood. It's myoglobin. It's chemically different from blood-borne hemoglobin. Myoglobin is what makes meat red. It's present in meat regardless of how long it's cooked, but it just changes color based on the number of electrons it has, which is affected by cooking. Freshness is also a factor, along with bacterial action.

Under various conditions, halal, zabihah slaughtered steak will release water from its cells that are tinted red from the myoglobin present just like a regular grocery store steak will. I see it in my kitchen all the time.

The importance of Halal has to do with ones own level and belief in Islam. Yes it is important how the meat is slaughtered (mercifully and quickly) but more importantly it is the offering of prayer to Allah(swt) and the gratitude and thankfulness/gratefulness of the sacrifice on behalf of the poor animal to be consumed. The blessings bestowed upon us so we can eat and be healthy and not take the food chain for granted. Yes, halal meat/food is very important to Muslims and may God bless them for trying to stick with their convictions and what they believe in. This is no insult or offense meant against any other religion, but I guarantee if every store sold only halal groceries Christians would never taste the difference or realize it is healthier, therefore that only reiterates my point that it is more importantly a spiritual connection and a religious belief scientifically proven to be better for ones health , also a gift and blessing from GOD/Allah(swt). Thank you God that we are able to debate this subject while no one in this forum is literally "starving" from physical hunger. Eat, pray and be thankful, the world is filled with way too many options of what to eat. Eat to live don't live to eat. BTW and just to cover my A&&, this is just my own opinion, I am not a scholar. There have been times I have been called an though! ; )

[himher 634]

Of course there is. There is Halal meat from America exported to and sold in Saudi - including in among other places Jeddah.

Best place to find it is Arabic / Pakastani shops. An example would be http://www.zabihah.com/d/Webster+6210+Bismillah-Grocers-amp-Halal-Meat/ which is a local shop south of Houston.

Most of the larger cities have similar places.

This is real Crazy,There is no Halal meet in America.

[sarsorti 36]

Of course there is. There is Halal meat from America exported to and sold in Saudi - including in among other places Jeddah.

Best place to find it is Arabic / Pakastani shops. An example would be http://www.zabihah.c...amp-Halal-Meat/ which is a local shop south of Houston.

Most of the larger cities have similar places.

Another great place is Katy, Texas, 29 miles from Houston. There is an actual You Tube video (4 to be exact) for anyone truly interested in the importance of Halal products to a true Muslim. They also have a large operation serving locally, nationally and internationally.

part 1

part 2A

part 2B

http://youtu.be/T8jSOFfgBqY Why Muslims eat halal

We are what we eat,

Edited March 15, 2013 by sarsorti

[MedRoni 161]

We are what we eat

YIKES!!

That makes me one very gigantic ONION!!!

[devotedpartners 77]

Leviticus 17:13, along with the rest of the book, is one of the main sources of kosher law. So do they just follow that one little part, and discard the rest? Where does Paul fit in, and him saying they can eat anything, it's all clean and ok, even meat sacrificed to idols so long as their faith and consciences are clear and their doing so does not corrupt others, I wonder?

Yeah, many slaughterhouses leave a lot to be desired. Halal and kosher slaughterhouses are just as fallible as anyone else's. What's supposed to happen as opposed to what actually happens is an issue for everyone. The US is certainly not alone when it comes to animal welfare and slaughterhouse operation issues.

All meat from exsanguinated animals is going to have small amounts of residual blood. All of it. There have been studies on this, in peer reviewed journals, that concluded that stunned animals actually have a little less residual blood than non-stunned shechita slaughtered animals. They're just as exsanguinated, if not more. The majority of residual blood remains in the organs, not in muscle tissue. So if you're eating liver, yeah there might be some minuscule amounts of blood along with myoglobin. Steak, kefta, etc., no.

Koshering goes a step further-meat has to be soaked in cold water for a certain amount of time and then covered in salt and then rinsed again. As far as I know, those steps are not required for halal prep.

Are you a teacher of some sort, this is very educating. Many should understand the truth behind what you are saying.

[sarsorti 36]

YIKES!!

That makes me one very gigantic ONION!!!

Sounds delicious can we add a little garlic? I just love that ONION!

[devotedpartners 77]

YIKES!!

That makes me one very gigantic ONION!!!

Hi, I was reading alot of your posts here. Can I ask if you and your husband live like those amish people I saw and never eat outisde your home. You speak In other posts about subway, and how your food may touch bacon. I would think that would be at any place where food is served. Right?

[sarsorti 36]

sandinista!, on 15 March 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:

Leviticus 17:13, along with the rest of the book, is one of the main sources of kosher law. So do they just follow that one little part, and discard the rest? Where does Paul fit in, and him saying they can eat anything, it's all clean and ok, even meat sacrificed to idols so long as their faith and consciences are clear and their doing so does not corrupt others, I wonder?<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(243, 249, 246);">Yeah, many slaughterhouses leave a lot to be desired. Halal and kosher slaughterhouses are just as fallible as anyone else's. What's supposed to happen as opposed to what actually happens is an issue for everyone. The US is certainly not alone when it comes to animal welfare and slaughterhouse operation issues.<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(243, 249, 246);">All meat from exsanguinated animals is going to have small amounts of residual blood. All of it. There have been studies on this, in peer reviewed journals, that concluded that stunned animals actually have a little less residual blood than non-stunned shechita slaughtered animals. They're just as exsanguinated, if not more. The majority of residual blood remains in the organs, not in muscle tissue. So if you're eating liver, yeah there might be some minuscule amounts of blood along with myoglobin. Steak, kefta, etc., no.<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(243, 249, 246);">Koshering goes a step further-meat has to be soaked in cold water for a certain amount of time and then covered in salt and then rinsed again. As far as I know, those steps are not required for halal prep.

Are you a teacher of some sort, this is very educating. Many should understand the truth behind what you are saying.

Let us not forget the spiritual part of preparing halal

Edited March 15, 2013 by sarsorti

[sandinista! 1,816]

The bottom line is no one will know 100% what was meant until the end of days. So people can sit here and tell each other we are all right or wrong... and so what?

But salim82's belief is to only eat halal meat, which every muslim agrees is acceptable. If he is right, no problem when judgement day comes around. If he is wrong, still no problem on judgement day as he only ate what was clearly allowed. If you are right... again no issues on judgement day, great! If you are wrong... then you just might have some explaining to do after all.

I guess what I am saying is we KNOW he is following halal eating standards, nothing to debate with any muslim out there. He is not eating anything many Islamic scholars have not agreed upon. If they cannot agree, then it is not so clear, therefore salim82 may be right. Better to be safe than sorry.

While that's true, if I didn't already strictly stick to zabiha slaughtered meat products, I would certainly not be swayed to do so by his postings, as shrill and off putting and confrontational as they've come off. I agree with his bottom line about what's allowed to eat, but ugh.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Let us not forget the spiritual part of preparing halal

Excuse me but where have I discounted anything about the spiritual aspects of eating halal? It's nothing but spiritual.

[sandinista! 1,816]

The importance of Halal has to do with ones own level and belief in Islam. Yes it is important how the meat is slaughtered (mercifully and quickly) but more importantly it is the offering of prayer to Allah(swt) and the gratitude and thankfulness/gratefulness of the sacrifice on behalf of the poor animal to be consumed. The blessings bestowed upon us so we can eat and be healthy and not take the food chain for granted. Yes, halal meat/food is very important to Muslims and may God bless them for trying to stick with their convictions and what they believe in. This is no insult or offense meant against any other religion, but I guarantee if every store sold only halal groceries Christians would never taste the difference or realize it is healthier, therefore that only reiterates my point that it is more importantly a spiritual connection and a religious belief scientifically proven to be better for ones health , also a gift and blessing from GOD/Allah(swt). Thank you God that we are able to debate this subject while no one in this forum is literally "starving" from physical hunger. Eat, pray and be thankful, the world is filled with way too many options of what to eat. Eat to live don't live to eat. BTW and just to cover my A&&, this is just my own opinion, I am not a scholar. There have been times I have been called an though! ; )

Really, are you saying you're in some position to rank Muslims based on what and how they eat? Smdh.