Halal meat

[devotedpartners 77]

Ah... don't assume I have not been a farm girl in my life time either! I have in the past, most likely many more years than you have been helping. I did not say the other animals never eat what they should not... but pigs will go so far as to eat each other when one dies. Show me a goat or a chicken that will, a picture please! Until then, still not convinced they are one in the same.

you keep saying I DIDNT SAY THAT in many of your posts, but yet you do. You just said above you did not say about other animals when you did its quoted below.

Those animals are halal, however they do not eat garbage... other dead animals, rotting food, flesh, or even their own kind. They do not eat wood, and plastic, and anything they can swallow.

The point is, though other food is halal beside pork, animals are animals and can eat things not so good, like cows eat grass all day bird or chicken poop on it, you think a cow knows what bird poop is, and birds carry,diseases dont they? but its still considered good for,us.

and.. you seem to be,stuck in this pig thing. How long have you been muslim? you are talking to born and raised muslims as if we just converted and know nothing about pigs, seriously.

[salim82 8]

Yeah, I've like said numerous times here that I don't eat it because the Quran says not to eat it. And your response to that is to insinuate that' I'm somehow deficient or lacking in having read the very source I just cited? Really?

Right, we hear and obey that it's forbidden, on that we are in agreement. Then you also assert that it's "not good for our health" and that's the reason that it is therefore prohibited. How do you know that's why? Spiritually it's certainly harmful, but how is it harmful physically? On a nutritional level? A microbiological level? None of those reasons really hold up, so I don't understand what the problem seems to be for so many people with just accepting it, instead of trying to find reasons that are completely unneeded. Slandering the animal hardly seems necessary.

Everyone is a believer knows that God forbids some things on his people for a particular reason. We as humans, if we want to do something it's certainly for a reason. We do not doubt for a moment that the pig is a dirty and filthy animal, the meat is harmful to humans. Our straight self is repulsive and refuses to eat. Everyone knows that dirt harms humans. How can we eat the eater of the dirt? Religion forbids eating it, science and life prove to us this animal is dirty. Imagine that God has not forbidden to eat pork. Although the animal is dirty, we eat it. When we have a health problem, we turn the blame on God and say, why, oh God did you not tell me it was dangerous being the creator?

God knows what we do not know, and we should not doubt the prohibition of things, if we think that God has forbidden us things for no reason, seems like we said that God has no knowledge, and that is wrong. These are not attributes of God because he is the Knower, the Wise. Religion directs humans and science discovers. If there is inability of science to discover something there is inevitably an imbalance in science. Has science proven that the pig is useful to people? All the things that God has forbidden to his people he has with reason, really only the pork was without reason?

[MedRoni 161]

and.. you seem to be,stuck in this pig thing. How long have you been muslim? you are talking to born and raised muslims as if we just converted and know nothing about pigs, seriously.

Long enough to not be feeding them and dealing with them on a daily basis for my spouses family business, thank you.

Are born and raised Muslims better than any other Muslim? Oh.

[devotedpartners 77]

Long enough to not be feeding them and dealing with them on a daily basis for my spouses family business, thank you.

Are born and raised Muslims better than any other Muslim? Oh.

Its not a business as these animals are like pets to the entire family. My wife has 20 horses to heself on this as so does her other 13 brother and sisters. ,They do not KILL them for pleasure or food, just as people here who have dogs, cats, for.

No, born muslims are not better as people of all religion choose there path. But its one,thing to question a muslim about something as a pig as,if we have never read the Quean. The problem is, YOU want ro be right no matter,what anyone says.

[MedRoni 161]

Its not a business as these animals are like pets to the entire family. My wife has 20 horses to heself on this as so does her other 13 brother and sisters. ,They do not KILL them for pleasure or food, just as people here who have dogs, cats, for.

No, born muslims are not better as people of all religion choose there path. But its one,thing to question a muslim about something as a pig as,if we have never read the Quean. The problem is, YOU want ro be right no matter,what anyone says.

Really? I need to be right? Is that why I said MULTIPLE times that we all need to do our research... make our choices based on what is right for ourselves and that we should agree to disagree?

That was so horrible of me to say that... sheez.

My point was never to question muslims about pigs but to discuss why my belief was pig meat is bad for you... that was after all the debate for awhile.

You know you are very judgemental. I didn't realize you had the right to judge me like God. Must be my mistake. Let me leave you to that, ok?

[serendipity9 1]

I don't know if it's any easier to find kosher meat where you live, but kosher is also halal.

[devotedpartners 77]

i didnt mean to judge you medroni, i thought we all were just talking. I may use words wrong,at time. If i said wrongful things to anyone here, sorry.

[serendipity9 1]

I don't know if it's any easier to find kosher meat where you live, but kosher is also halal.

Oops, I didn't seen there was already a debate going on this topic when I replied- my post is probably moot or redundant by now. Nevermind

[sandinista! 1,816]

Ah... don't assume I have not been a farm girl in my life time either! I have in the past, most likely many more years than you have been helping. I did not say the other animals never eat what they should not... but pigs will go so far as to eat each other when one dies. Show me a goat or a chicken that will, a picture please! Until then, still not convinced they are one in the same.

An, but so do perfectly halal under just about every Sunni madhab crabs, lobsters, and shrimp. Their carrion eating and cannibalism is magically less gross under the sea?

[sandinista! 1,816]

And for the ones looking for medical or scientific proof, not just "internet kaka" - just Google the "CDC and pork".

I won't post the links or information here as I know some of you hate to see the copy and paste method, however there are several different issues they have listed there regarding and warning about the dangers of eating pork.

For those of you outside the US, the CDC is our Center for Disease Control and Prevention. The same ones who determine what communicable diseases must be tested for during immigration medical exams. I am pretty sure they would have checked the facts.

They list similar warnings for beef, re tapeworms, salmonella, and E. coli, to name but a few, and a whole list of pathogens involving chicken. Point?

[sandinista! 1,816]

Everyone is a believer knows that God forbids some things on his people for a particular reason. We as humans, if we want to do something it's certainly for a reason. We do not doubt for a moment that the pig is a dirty and filthy animal, the meat is harmful to humans. Our straight self is repulsive and refuses to eat. Everyone knows that dirt harms humans. How can we eat the eater of the dirt? Religion forbids eating it, science and life prove to us this animal is dirty. Imagine that God has not forbidden to eat pork. Although the animal is dirty, we eat it. When we have a health problem, we turn the blame on God and say, why, oh God did you not tell me it was dangerous being the creator?

God knows what we do not know, and we should not doubt the prohibition of things, if we think that God has forbidden us things for no reason, seems like we said that God has no knowledge, and that is wrong. These are not attributes of God because he is the Knower, the Wise. Religion directs humans and science discovers. If there is inability of science to discover something there is inevitably an imbalance in science. Has science proven that the pig is useful to people? All the things that God has forbidden to his people he has with reason, really only the pork was without reason?

Your deficiencies in reading comprehension have hit a new low here, congrats.

People get sick from eating perfectly halal food all the time. It's not as though the pig prohibition and avoiding pork magically gives all people who avoid pork immunity from food borne illness.

Does "science and life" also prove to us that cats, that people keep as pets but cannot eat are also,filthy, dirty creatures and that must be why you can't eat them?

Edited March 17, 2013 by sandinista!

[sandinista! 1,816]

Fruit ferments and and converts carbohydrate to alcohol all on its own over time. So does leavened bread and milk.

There are numerous scholars that say synthetic alcohol, such as that on donuts and stuff is not najis. They make the distinction based on the source from which that alcohol is derived, and the minuscule amounts of it. All are perfectly valid scholarly opinions.

[sarsorti 36]

and.. you seem to be,stuck in this pig thing. How long have you been muslim? you are talking to born and raised muslims as if we just converted and know nothing about pigs, seriously.

If you are Muslim and claim Islam practice it or please don't preach it! I feel the same way about everything, if your gonna go poop wipe your butt don't just talk about how good you are at it.

[MedRoni 161]

An, but so do perfectly halal under just about every Sunni madhab crabs, lobsters, and shrimp. Their carrion eating and cannibalism is magically less gross under the sea?

I can honestly tell you I don't know squat about under the sea animals. It is very possible they digest things differently, processing another way. I honestly do not know.It is not any less gross but may or may not be less harmful. I am no expert on that and can admit it. At the same time it is not an issue for me as I do not eat anything from the sea as I do not like seafood, regardless.

You may have a point here, you may not. Like I said before, I am entitled to listen to you, research and make a decision based on what my beliefs are. Something worth looking into for me at some point for sure. More out of curiosity to know. God did not forbid the seafood for a reason. Just as I am a firm believer in he did forbid pork for a reason.

[MedRoni 161]

Fruit ferments and and converts carbohydrate to alcohol all on its own over time. So does leavened bread and milk.

There are numerous scholars that say synthetic alcohol, such as that on donuts and stuff is not najis. They make the distinction based on the source from which that alcohol is derived, and the minuscule amounts of it. All are perfectly valid scholarly opinions.

Fruit ferments when it rots. I don't know about you but I prefer fresh fruit.

I am fine with all these scholars saying all the things you have posted to date. Just like I am fine with many scholars that have different beliefs. Not every scholar agrees with each other 100% on all things. Sunni or otherwise. So you keep quoting the scholars you choose to agree with and that is great. I am happy you feel comfortable with your choices. I also feel very comfortable with mine, as well as my beliefs.