Halal meat

[JBoss 12]

Then why are lots of things that can just as easily be harmful to health totally allowed then, if that's the reason?

Read my post again sister. "We hear and obey" Have you ever read Quran? Read last few verses of chapter 2 (Al Baqarah)

[sarsorti 36]

Then why are lots of things that can just as easily be harmful to health totally allowed then, if that's the reason?

It's only what we allow for ourselves not what Allah(swt) allows, he gave us free will, so if we make the wrong choice I am sure it is Allah(swt) we have to answer to and not each other, alhamdolillah.

[sarsorti 36]

Ahh the false kaka that can be found on the interwebs. That is some seriously ignorant anti pork propaganda.

http://www.homestead...hese-facts.html

No we must not believe false kaka that science has proven, we must first go ask the opinions of others, who themselves claim not to be experts, from another type of forum, who are seriously ignorant pro pork propaganda! You Go Mithra!

[sarsorti 36]

Oh, it met my expectations alright, given that you answered. What it didn't meet is my standards for like facts and stuff.

Cut and paste text walls of junk science,

No, I don't raise pigs. I've seen them at the county fair though.

Cut and paste? Of course, you don't think I spent my whole day listing facts from my head, I am not a scientist or a scholar. You ask for reasons other than religious ones. If you don't like the facts and you don't want religious reasons then there is no point in making conversation about it. I choose not to eat pork for all the reasons I copied and pasted but also for my religion and I have never been in better health. Just for the record and no accusations as I am not saying anyone isolated any one particular religion, Islam is not the only religion who knows the facts about the pig. The pig does have it's place in this world just not in our bodies, and that is my personal and religious beliefs and Allah(swt) is my judge. Thank God we live here in America and have the right to freedom of beliefs. It bothers me not that ignorance laughs.

Other religions that do not eat "the other white meat":

Jewish

Seventh Day Adventists

There are many christian sects that know pork is bad and choose not to eat it

However, the truth is if you are starving to death and pig is all you can find to eat and you can actually swallow it then Allah(swt) will not hold you accountable for eating the scavenger.

[Mithra 1,185]

Ok so your anti-pork copy paste sounded better? Sounded like a bunch of baseless #######. At least the "pro-pork propaganda" info came from folks who raise pigs and know what they're actually talking about not some garbage scare tactics #######.

If ppl don't want to eat pork for religious reasons that's great and their prerogative. Posting absolutely false, unsubstantiated information to back up your hatred of pigs is ridiculous. Just don't eat pork. Your fellow Muslims don't need convincing with that nonsense you posted.

No we must not believe false kaka that science has proven, we must first go ask the opinions of others, who themselves claim not to be experts, from another type of forum, who are seriously ignorant pro pork propaganda! You Go Mithra!

[devotedpartners 77]

Ok so your anti-pork copy paste sounded better? Sounded like a bunch of baseless #######. At least the "pro-pork propaganda" info came from folks who raise pigs and know what they're actually talking about not some garbage scare tactics #######.

If ppl don't want to eat pork for religious reasons that's great and their prerogative. Posting absolutely false, unsubstantiated information to back up your hatred of pigs is ridiculous. Just don't eat pork. Your fellow Muslims don't need convincing with that nonsense you posted.

Mithra, i,take your advise and not let others judge me here. So here goes.

My wifes family has a big farm in texas with so many hundred of animals and so many pigs. I know I will be judged here for saying this, though I dont eat pork, I find myself helping with feeding the animals and at first I was hesitate about even looking at the pigs much less feeding them. They are so ungly but have found a good place in my heart as Allah did creat them but I know to never eat them. I dont hate them as others here seem to judge this animal as a creature from hell.

To be honest, these pigs have a better lifestyle in there farm then so many on the streets. The pigs live on fresh vegetables, corn feed, and even get daily baths by the helpers since the day they born. I guess, I just am a bit different in my way of thinking of this animal, since I now help take care of them.

[Tahlisha 28]

Muslims can eat the meat from people of the "book" ie: Christians and jews.... So since this is a christian country the meat from most major store chains is fine.... Some prefer halal but it is ok if it is from a jewish store or Giant, safeway, weggmans, ect, ect..... Meat from muslim butchers is much more exspensive in my area so I only buy it for the Eid....

[MedRoni 161]

Muslims can eat the meat from people of the "book" ie: Christians and jews.... So since this is a christian country the meat from most major store chains is fine.... Some prefer halal but it is ok if it is from a jewish store or Giant, safeway, weggmans, ect, ect..... Meat from muslim butchers is much more exspensive in my area so I only buy it for the Eid....

The issue I have here is the US is generally a Christian dominated country, however not all meat here is from people of the book. How can you be certain the meat you are eating from a big grocery store chain was raised and slaughtered by someone/people of the book? There are millions of atheists, Mormans, Jehova Witness', Buddhists, pagans, etc. in the country overall. And a good percentage of the Christians are not even practicing at all. So really, you can call this a christian country, but you can group an entire nation as "people of the book". I really don't see how you can say all the meat here is just fine to eat for Muslims, based on the teachings of the Qur'an.

[MedRoni 161]

The issue I have here is the US is generally a Christian dominated country, however not all meat here is from people of the book. How can you be certain the meat you are eating from a big grocery store chain was raised and slaughtered by someone/people of the book? There are millions of atheists, Mormans, Jehova Witness', Buddhists, pagans, etc. in the country overall. And a good percentage of the Christians are not even practicing at all. So really, you can call this a christian country, but you can't group an entire nation as "people of the book". I really don't see how you can say all the meat here is just fine to eat for Muslims, based on the teachings of the Qur'an.

Edited March 16, 2013 by MedRoni

[salim82 8]

Muslims can eat the meat from people of the "book" ie: Christians and jews.... So since this is a christian country the meat from most major store chains is fine.... Some prefer halal but it is ok if it is from a jewish store or Giant, safeway, weggmans, ect, ect..... Meat from muslim butchers is much more exspensive in my area so I only buy it for the Eid....

As a moslim I'm sure that we can't eat just any meat, only if this meat is slaughtered as the God said. Yes the God said we can eat food people of the book, but if this food is hallal for you, and there is a difference between food and meat in the Koran as you know. Can you tell me, is there a difference between an animal killed using hallal slaughter and animals killed in processing centers like electrifying/beating, etc.? Yes; there is a difference: Not hallal means not hallal.

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The issue I have here is the US is generally a Christian dominated country, however not all meat here is from people of the book. How can you be certain the meat you are eating from a big grocery store chain was raised and slaughtered by someone/people of the book? There are millions of atheists, Mormans, Jehova Witness', Buddhists, pagans, etc. in the country overall. And a good percentage of the Christians are not even practicing at all. So really, you can call this a christian country, but you can group an entire nation as "people of the book". I really don't see how you can say all the meat here is just fine to eat for Muslims, based on the teachings of the Qur'an.

I am sorry to say that you have some wrong understanding of some religious groups you have mentioned to your knowledge, mormans and Jehova Witness are Christian groups, though some may not agree with that just like they don't call Catholics Christians, but they are too.

Plus, why did you speak about how animals are "raised"? who cares how they are raised! and where in Quran or Sunnah does it say that the people of the Book should be "practicing"? there are many non-practicing Muslims as well. Are we not allowed to eat their zabiha or animals they killed?! and how can we guarantee they named Allah's named before killing the animal? Beside, the fact that America is not a Christian country is a wrong statement simply because we usually speak about a country's religion based on the majority of people who live there and not on the minority, just like when we say that the Middle East or North Africa is Muslim even though the two geographical areas have thousands, nay, millions of Christians as well.

Edited March 16, 2013 by foreverwaiting

[MedRoni 161]

I am sorry to say that you have some wrong understanding of some religious groups you have mentioned to your knowledge, mormans and Jehova Witness are Christian groups, though some may not agree with that just like they don't call Catholics Christians, but they are too.

Plus, why did you speak about how animals are "raised"? who cares how they are raised! and where in Quran or Sunnah does it say that the people of the Book should be "practicing"? there are many non-practicing Muslims as well. Are we not allowed to eat their zabiha or animals they killed?! and how can we guarantee they named Allah's named before killing the animal? Beside, the fact that America is not a Christian country is a wrong statement simply because we usually speak about a country's religion based on the majority of people who live there and not on the minority, just like when we say that the Middle East or North Africa is Muslim even though the two geographical areas have thousands, nay, millions of Christians as well.

Don't apologize to me for my understandings - no offense but it is my business to be accountable for those.

First of all I said the US is a Christian dominated country, but one grouping the entire country as Christians is not accurate. I don't care how countries are referenced/grouped. It has nothing to do with halal meat vs. any other type. I am saying since this is in fact a Christian dominated country it does not guarantee Christians are killing all the animals for meat consumption. Practicing or otherwise.

As for other religions, do the ones I mention all follow the book and only the book? Sorry, I am no scholar on all the religions, but I do know they do not all follow just the Bible or Qu'ran.

And as far as being raised, there was nothing in this quote - but in general pigs are dirty, unclean animals. Give them a bath and keep there pen clean, provide them the most pure fresh food and they will still eat their own feces. When God told us not to eat pigs, Qu'ran or bible he said because they are unclean and forbidden. I personally don't care how one chooses to raise a pig - the debate that has been going on here between many members is if the meat is any worse for you or not than other animals, how some animals are killed and if it is ok to eat the meat from regular grocery stores or not.

Edited March 17, 2013 by MedRoni

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Mithra, i,take your advise and not let others judge me here. So here goes.

My wifes family has a big farm in texas with so many hundred of animals and so many pigs. I know I will be judged here for saying this, though I dont eat pork, I find myself helping with feeding the animals and at first I was hesitate about even looking at the pigs much less feeding them. They are so ungly but have found a good place in my heart as Allah did creat them but I know to never eat them. I dont hate them as others here seem to judge this animal as a creature from hell.

To be honest, these pigs have a better lifestyle in there farm then so many on the streets. The pigs live on fresh vegetables, corn feed, and even get daily baths by the helpers since the day they born. I guess, I just am a bit different in my way of thinking of this animal, since I now help take care of them.

Lol i agree, there are many farms here in Ohio too where the animals live better than some people lol. But hey, as long as you know what your doing, youll be fine helping with the farm.

[salim82 8]

In the Koran God has strictly forbidden people to eat pork, he says: "Forbidden to you is dead meat, blood and pork" till the end of aya.

The pig is the only animal that eats everything, they eat garbage and waste and impurities, an animal that eats rats, mice and etc. The words of God state "it is an abomination" - abomination meaning filth, it is dirty and common and unclean and carries harm.

If we came to the words of other religions, we find that the pork is forbidden in the Old Testament, which is mentioned in the Bible:

{Do not eat abomination; these beasts that eating ... And pork because of hoof, he does not chew cud, he is unclean to you, it is to not eat their meat, and their carcasses not touch} Deuteronomy 14/3-8 and so also Leviticus 11-1-8.

There are also other provisions regarding filthy swine, and contempt of the herding pigs, Matthew 67, Peter II 2/22 Luke 15/11-15.

- If it is forbidden to eat, why did God create the pig? He created them to sweep the land because it eats everything, and also ask why God created such bad things, or the nasty, ask why God created Satan?! I think this is God's business, not ours.

Is not it the right of the God to command people as he wishes, and to rule them as he wants? Is it not the duty of man to say we hear and we obey when God ordered him to do something? You may enjoy its taste, and want to eat it, and enjoy it around you, but do you not have to sacrifice some of what your heart desires in order to gain entry into Paradise?

We know that the Religious books came before us, these books deprived pork for example about two thousand years ago. Why do some people not believe about what God said? Instead they choose to believe they are right?

[JBoss 12]

In the Koran God has strictly forbidden people to eat pork, he says: "Forbidden to you is dead meat, blood and pork" till the end of aya.

The pig is the only animal that eats everything, they eat garbage and waste and impurities, an animal that eats rats, mice and etc. The words of God state "it is an abomination" - abomination meaning filth, it is dirty and common and unclean and carries harm.

If we came to the words of other religions, we find that the pork is forbidden in the Old Testament, which is mentioned in the Bible:

{Do not eat abomination; these beasts that eating ... And pork because of hoof, he does not chew cud, he is unclean to you, it is to not eat their meat, and their carcasses not touch} Deuteronomy 14/3-8 and so also Leviticus 11-1-8.

There are also other provisions regarding filthy swine, and contempt of the herding pigs, Matthew 67, Peter II 2/22 Luke 15/11-15.

- If it is forbidden to eat, why did God create the pig? He created them to sweep the land because it eats everything, and also ask why God created such bad things, or the nasty, ask why God created Satan?! I think this is God's business, not ours.

Is not it the right of the God to command people as he wishes, and to rule them as he wants? Is it not the duty of man to say we hear and we obey when God ordered him to do something? You may enjoy its taste, and want to eat it, and enjoy it around you, but do you not have to sacrifice some of what your heart desires in order to gain entry into Paradise?

We know that the Religious books came before us, these books deprived pork for example about two thousand years ago. Why do some people not believe about what God said? Instead they choose to believe they are right?

Salim82, job well done! You the man. Like you response bro.