K1

[julitathomas0810 30]

At what point do you provide more proof of the relationship ? I provided what I felt at the time was enough at the USCIS level . My fiancee and I have gone through some trials in our relationship that may cause a visa denial . What can we provide for the issues we have now overcome in our relationship ? I am planning to visit near the interview date , so I can provide a second meeting . We have plenty of chats with proof of our trial and us working through it . I have chats of other people who have helped us overcome our problems . My fear is that the CO will see only the problem and see the relationship as being false . When in reality it was just a part of our relationship that has hit a bump in the road and survived the trials of life . Maybe I am just thinking too much and need to relax and wait for the outcome , but I want to be prepared for anything . Any advice would be helpful and very grateful for this site for such help .

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

At what point do you provide more proof of the relationship ? I provided what I felt at the time was enough at the USCIS level . My fiancee and I have gone through some trials in our relationship that may cause a visa denial . What can we provide for the issues we have now overcome in our relationship ? I am planning to visit near the interview date , so I can provide a second meeting . We have plenty of chats with proof of our trial and us working through it . I have chats of other people who have helped us overcome our problems . My fear is that the CO will see only the problem and see the relationship as being false . When in reality it was just a part of our relationship that has hit a bump in the road and survived the trials of life . Maybe I am just thinking too much and need to relax and wait for the outcome , but I want to be prepared for anything . Any advice would be helpful and very grateful for this site for such help .

Proof of relationship is not required for the petition. Whatever you sent needs to be repeated as it is of no use in your case for obtaining a VISA. It is NOT going to work for your fiancee to say "Oh we already sent that"

Any additional evidence since you sent the petition, PLUS what you sent with the petition unnecessarily should be presented at the visa interview.

I have no idea what "problems" you are having or how the interviewer would magically know about these problems, so cannot advise how to overcome them in the interview.

[Vic20r 14]

Perhaps more photos together or other proofs aside from chats or anything that will provide a bonafide relationship because we cannot predict what is on the mind of the CO..I read one Filipina was denied with a K1 because apparently, she was failed to provide bonafide relationship to the petitioner..

[wilfon 30]

How would the CO know what problems you guys have gone through? Did you send them information about any problems that may have occurred? That is your business, all you need to provide is that your relationship is a bona fide one. If you could be there for the interview, that would the best think you could do. Good luck to you guys.

[X Factor 1,112]

How would the CO know what problems you guys have gone through? Did you send them information about any problems that may have occurred? That is your business, all you need to provide is that your relationship is a bona fide one. If you could be there for the interview, that would the best think you could do. Good luck to you guys.

Exactly how in the world would they know the problems you are going through?

[julitathomas0810 30]

I will disclose a little more about the problem . I was hoping for some advise , but better off telling more . Soon after I left the Philippines she was with a previous Filipino boyfriend . I left October 4th 2012 and she was with him 1 time in late October/November . She is now pregnant and is due sometime in June or July . She was late with her period in October by three weeks and experienced vomiting on the third week . Then at the end of that month she claimed to have her period which only lasted a day .She said she was with him in November . She told me all of this a little while ago . In the last four months she kept asking me questions like " what would you do if I was pregnant ? " Since then I suspected that she was pregnant and afraid to tell me . She even hid the pregnancy from her family which was discovered by a doctor while she was sick in the hospital . The doctor asked her when her last period was to obtain a due date . The doctor gave her July 25th as the expected date . She told me she was very ashamed and afraid to tell me about the pregnancy . That she would not blame me if I just wanted to get out now . That was my first reaction however now I am still talking with her and we are rebuilding the trust issues in our relationship . At this point I am giving her another chance and willing to work through our issues .

I filed the I129F with no children and now there will be one before the NA02 arrives . The interview forms she will fill out will now have a child listed on them . If the baby is not mine it will be listed as such , so the CO will know about it and may question the nature of our relationship . Philippines is a high alert country for false immigration and I have read stories on here of other visa denials . Those were different then mine , but still rejected due to the question of the relationship . The best case scenario would be the child to be mine and no problems at all . The worst case scenario the child is not mine and we continue with the process and face the challenges ahead .

To my original question above what would prove our relationship or would they just make their own judgement in this case ? The only things I can provide is letters about the subject . Even print outs from this site showing I have been wanting and looking for a solution for this . I plan to be there in July for the birth and will have proof of that as well . I have a group of friends we have been talking with on this matter about the rebuilding of the trust . I would think that would help also . Would all of this be handed in at the interview or before ? I do not want to lie , but honestly if they do not ask I will not have her state it voluntarily to them . I informed her of the problems we may run into now at the interview . She has taken this very hard and takes the blame for her mistakes . I am a person who has forgiven her for them , but the trust must be rebuilt . Actually we have built a better relationship now then before and we are talking a lot more . She even tells me where ever she goes and has me call her when she is home . I see efforts on her part and that is a good sign . That is the main reason for the second chance as everyone deserves one at one point in life .

This is a confusing situation and I pray that everything goes well for us and no major problems . We have a long road ahead of us and we will face each challenge as it comes .

[duraaraa 203]

I think you had another thread about this issue.

I hate to give you bad news, but I don't see how, unless you are extremely lucky with the CO you get, your fiancee's visa would be granted, unless the child is, in fact, yours. It just isn't believable to the CO that your fiancee has bona fide intentions with you if she was pregnant by another man after you were engaged.

One possible way to deal with this is to cancel your petition, 'become engaged again,' and re-file. That way, the child would have been conceived before your engagement. Still, the likelihood of your relationship being seen as bona fide is very low if your fiancee had a child by another man while in a relationship with you.

It is a difficult situation. I think the best thing you could do to support your case is to show your chat transcripts of the events which transpired, and be completely honest. Still, I don't think the chances are very good, unfortunately.

[pagong 7]

If its really doubtable the CO will request for DNA test, don't do this until they ask for it. I'm going 7 months now and the thing they may look at is the ultrasound that states my last day of period and will compare It on the days he was here. They will see it in the ultrasound the conception date if your fiancé can't recall her 1st and last day of period. In that way you will be able to know too. Good luck.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I will disclose a little more about the problem . I was hoping for some advise , but better off telling more . Soon after I left the Philippines she was with a previous Filipino boyfriend . I left October 4th 2012 and she was with him 1 time in late October/November . She is now pregnant and is due sometime in June or July . She was late with her period in October by three weeks and experienced vomiting on the third week . Then at the end of that month she claimed to have her period which only lasted a day .She said she was with him in November . She told me all of this a little while ago . In the last four months she kept asking me questions like " what would you do if I was pregnant ? " Since then I suspected that she was pregnant and afraid to tell me . She even hid the pregnancy from her family which was discovered by a doctor while she was sick in the hospital . The doctor asked her when her last period was to obtain a due date . The doctor gave her July 25th as the expected date . She told me she was very ashamed and afraid to tell me about the pregnancy . That she would not blame me if I just wanted to get out now . That was my first reaction however now I am still talking with her and we are rebuilding the trust issues in our relationship . At this point I am giving her another chance and willing to work through our issues .

I filed the I129F with no children and now there will be one before the NA02 arrives . The interview forms she will fill out will now have a child listed on them . If the baby is not mine it will be listed as such , so the CO will know about it and may question the nature of our relationship . Philippines is a high alert country for false immigration and I have read stories on here of other visa denials . Those were different then mine , but still rejected due to the question of the relationship . The best case scenario would be the child to be mine and no problems at all . The worst case scenario the child is not mine and we continue with the process and face the challenges ahead .

To my original question above what would prove our relationship or would they just make their own judgement in this case ? The only things I can provide is letters about the subject . Even print outs from this site showing I have been wanting and looking for a solution for this . I plan to be there in July for the birth and will have proof of that as well . I have a group of friends we have been talking with on this matter about the rebuilding of the trust . I would think that would help also . Would all of this be handed in at the interview or before ? I do not want to lie , but honestly if they do not ask I will not have her state it voluntarily to them . I informed her of the problems we may run into now at the interview . She has taken this very hard and takes the blame for her mistakes . I am a person who has forgiven her for them , but the trust must be rebuilt . Actually we have built a better relationship now then before and we are talking a lot more . She even tells me where ever she goes and has me call her when she is home . I see efforts on her part and that is a good sign . That is the main reason for the second chance as everyone deserves one at one point in life .

This is a confusing situation and I pray that everything goes well for us and no major problems . We have a long road ahead of us and we will face each challenge as it comes .

If she is pregnant at the medical exam they will inform you and ask you if you want to go through with the visa. I do not see them denying the visa because she was sleeping around with other guys, they really don't care about that if you don't.

If the child is not yours (and you KNOW if it is or not) then you will have to file for a K-2 visa. Obviously a child that does not exist cannot be listed on an I-129f so that is not a problem. If she comes before the child is born the child will be a US citizen upon birth, regardless of the father.

As for the rest, she was/is having sex with other men (if you want to believe it is just one, just once, OK, you do that) while in a committed relationship. She should be honest with you if she needs to continue this, maybe she does, maybe she likes a walk on the wild side, maybe you like it too, or maybe not. But you need to accept that she is capable of this and will likely do it again when someone strikes her fancy. Maybe you want to join in? Whatever, I am not judging, far be it from me, just agree to everything up front and be honest about everything. If everyone is cool with it, then go for it. There are tons of committed couples that enjoy 3-ways and such, many people have an "open marriage" (google it) For a lot of very committed couples it is a fun style of life. Maybe you want that? If not, then bail out now. If you require sexual fidelity in a marriage (something I think is far over-rated, but necessary for many people)then this is probably not the girl for you and I think you know that if you are honest with yourself. There ARE a lot of wonderful, beautiful women that WILL be loyal to you and you could find one easily enough if that is what YOU need. When a guy hits "the jackpot" of a very beautiful and very sexual woman, you have to consider that her interests may extend beyond the same old ####### for the rest of her life. The trade off may be worth it to you, maybe not.

To imagine that this was a one time thing that will not be repeated is foolish and I think you know that. And if YOU need her to constantly report where she is, where she is going, who she is with...neither of you is going to be happy in the long run.

Edited March 11, 2013 by Gary and Alla

[duraaraa 203]

I do not see them denying the visa because she was sleeping around with other guys, they really don't care about that if you don't.

Do you really think that the CO would consider it a bona fide relationship under those circumstances? I had always thought they would look for any little reason, let alone a big one, to call it fraud and deny the visa. Maybe I'm paranoid because of experiences with tourist visas... the whole guilty until proven innocent mentality.

Edited March 11, 2013 by duraaraa

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Do you really think that the CO would consider it a bona fide relationship under those circumstances? I had always thought they would look for any little reason, let alone a big one, to call it fraud and deny the visa. Maybe I'm paranoid because of experiences with tourist visas... the whole guilty until proven innocent mentality.

Tourist visas where you are not SUPPOSED to immigrate are treated entirely differently than family visas where it is the stated INTENT to immigrate.

Sure. There actually is a procedure for it and that is to notify the US citizen and obtain his agreement. You thought this was the first time this came up? They do not "look for any reason" to deny. Actually if he accepts this, and the child, it may be additional evidence of a bona fide relationship. Sexuality has little to do with whether a relationship is fraudulent. Beautiful, hyper-sexual women come a with a price, if you can handle it, you are in for a E-ticket sex life. (if you do not know what an "E-ticket" is then, never mind) If not, then leave her to someone that will enjoy it and seek out your loyal sex/life partner and be happy.

Look, if he knows the child is not his (he does) and he knows it was conceived during their relationship (he does) then I would submit a letter stating that he knows about this, has discussed it with his fiancee and has decided to go through with the marriage and welcome her and the child into his family.

THAT's unconditional love.

[duraaraa 203]

Tourist visas where you are not SUPPOSED to immigrate are treated entirely differently than family visas where it is the stated INTENT to immigrate.

Sure. There actually is a procedure for it and that is to notify the US citizen and obtain his agreement. You thought this was the first time this came up? They do not "look for any reason" to deny. Actually if he accepts this, and the child, it may be additional evidence of a bona fide relationship. Sexuality has little to do with whether a relationship is fraudulent. Beautiful, hyper-sexual women come a with a price, if you can handle it, you are in for a E-ticket sex life. (if you do not know what an "E-ticket" is then, never mind) If not, then leave her to someone that will enjoy it and seek out your loyal sex/life partner and be happy.

Look, if he knows the child is not his (he does) and he knows it was conceived during their relationship (he does) then I would submit a letter stating that he knows about this, has discussed it with his fiancee and has decided to go through with the marriage and welcome her and the child into his family.

THAT's unconditional love.

I completely agree with the idea that he should be able to marry her and have whatever kind of relationship he pleases, be it sexually open or not, to make it clear. Their relationship is totally up to them.

On the other hand, I am (happily) surprised that you have so much confidence that they would pass the interview stage. I know that Manila is not as hard on applicants as many other countries, but if you look at reports from people from countries which are considered high-fraud countries who have gotten denied for no conceivable reason, it surprises me that you would be so confident they would pass. Happily surprises me, though.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I completely agree with the idea that he should be able to marry her and have whatever kind of relationship he pleases, be it sexually open or not, to make it clear. Their relationship is totally up to them.

On the other hand, I am (happily) surprised that you have so much confidence that they would pass the interview stage. I know that Manila is not as hard on applicants as many other countries, but if you look at reports from people from countries which are considered high-fraud countries who have gotten denied for no conceivable reason, it surprises me that you would be so confident they would pass. Happily surprises me, though.

I'm only confident because, guess what, it is not the first time it has been reported here. Had this come as a surprise to him at the interview or medical exam (which is exactly what they are trying to determine by telling him about a pregnancy) then that would be a different story.

In this case, she has admitted her sexual adventure and he has accepted it. Where is the fraud, misrepresentation or indication of an insincere relationship? I would say we have the opposite of that. A woman who is honest with her man and a man that forgives and accepts that his woman is human. Good start

Now be honest enough with each other about the future and where this goes.

The best thing they can do for the visa is to write a brief explanation, BRIEF, jeezum please not two pages! They won't read it. Two paragraphs maximum, two sentences is better. And do not mention dates! Why? They CAN do math. What they care about is that you AGREE to it and accept it

I, __________________ am aware that my fiancee ________________________ is pregnant and further understand that I am not the father of this child. I accept my fiancee, reconfirm my intent to marry her within 90 days of her arrival in the USA and we are committed to raising the child to adulthood as our own.

"Problem" evaporates.

We have been through the entire process and the issue of sex, and who we have sex with, never came up at any time.

Edited March 12, 2013 by Gary and Alla

[duraaraa 203]

Well, OP, there you have it. I don't think you can find better advice than provided above by G&A. I hope you figure everything out and it all goes well for you.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Since many consulates require an updated letter of intent, maybe both of you can do that and just hand it over with your other stuff. The man's could be like I posted and the woman's could say something gender specific for her. Hand them over and de-fuse the whole thing before it even starts and there would be no questions on the matter.

"We're all grown ups, we all can do math and we all know the score. We're good with that, why wouldn't you be?" The basis of fraud is that the marriage or relationship is not genuine but just for immigration purposes and may not be honest and sincere. The intent of someone is in question. I don't see any reason to doubt anyone's intent here.