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[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Your post is fixed. If you want to link demographics and geographic locations be my guest. The fact stands that I didnt mention race but you felt the need to defend and justify what? Why would you feel the need to do that?

Your correlation between the two doesn't make me any more of a racist than the FBI statisticians who collate and report the numbers.

I guess if one lives in a community and one determines who runs that community and one votes for the people one wants in that community then one's community pretty much reflects the environment one values. With this in mind you are correct in your statement that environment determines outcome.

No it isn't, there is nothing wrong in pointing out the obvious, but when you tend to put us all in the same category then it's a problem for me.

And I know quite a few people who have come from bad neighborhoods and made good, it's all about what you want to do with your life, if you allow your environment to define you it will.

[Karee 4,191]

No it isn't, there is nothing wrong in pointing out the obvious, but when you tend to put us all in the same category then it's a problem for me.

And I know quite a few people who have come from bad neighborhoods and made good, it's all about what you want to do with your life, if you allow your environment to define you it will.

Gary always brings up something that I tend to agree with. (Can't believe I just said that) He always goes on about how congressional districts are drawn to guarantee that there is a certain number of minorities elected. I personally think that needs to change. It's ironic that these districts are drawn in a way that separates races, but yet they draw them in an attempt to make things equal. Doesn't make much sense now with a black president in the white house.

ETA: Affirmative action needs to go away as well. This country will nave have racial harmony as long as people are given a benefit based on their race.

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[Karee 4,191]

Gary always brings up something that I tend to agree with. (Can't believe I just said that) He always goes on about how congressional districts are drawn to guarantee that there is a certain number of minorities elected. I personally think that needs to change. It's ironic that these districts are drawn in a way that separates races, but yet they draw them in an attempt to make things equal. Doesn't make much sense now with a black president in the white house.

ETA: Affirmative action needs to go away as well. This country will nave never have racial harmony as long as people are given a benefit based on their race.

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[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Gary always brings up something that I tend to agree with. (Can't believe I just said that) He always goes on about how congressional districts are drawn to guarantee that there is a certain number of minorities elected. I personally think that needs to change. It's ironic that these districts are drawn in a way that separates races, but yet they draw them in an attempt to make things equal. Doesn't make much sense now with a black president in the white house.

ETA: Affirmative action needs to go away as well. This country will nave have racial harmony as long as people are given a benefit based on their race.

If congressional gerrymandering for racial purpose's went away the Pubs would never ever be a majority in Congress again.

[Karee 4,191]

If congressional gerrymandering for racial purpose's went away the Pubs would never ever be a majority in Congress again.

So be it.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

So be it.

Agree. Just saying most people don't realize how carving the minorities out of most districts and putting them in one or two actually dilutes their power.

[Karee 4,191]

Agree. Just saying most people don't realize how carving the minorities out of most districts and putting them in one or two actually dilutes their power.

That's because the elected officials in those "safe" districts keep telling them otherwise. Good for the politicians, not so much for the constituents.

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[The Nature Boy 4,224]

That's because the elected officials in those "safe" districts keep telling them otherwise. Good for the politicians, not so much for the constituents.

You and Gary are a few of the very few that get it. It's such a simple concept I don't know how everyone can see it

[himher 634]

I tended to do nothing of the sort and categorized no race.

And I know quite a few people who have come from bad neighborhoods and made good is a joke. I know a lot more people who don't tolerate the activities that are tolerated (and yes glamorized) in bad neighborhoods. Getting out of a bad neighborhood is nothing.

Cleaning up a neighborhood and keeping it clean and safe is noteworthy.

Regardless of skin color when you and everyone around you sit on your a$$, do nothing, and allow the neighborhood you are so proud to have been part of deteriorate into chaos and violence you are a disgrace to decent society.

Then you act stunned when others really don't want your bystanding a$$ around them either? Better wake up sport. Inclusion means everyone stands for something and inclusion is not earned by standing by and tolerating something else.

If you think that's racism you're mentally numb. That's called being part of society.

No it isn't, there is nothing wrong in pointing out the obvious, but when you tend to put us all in the same category then it's a problem for me.

And I know quite a few people who have come from bad neighborhoods and made good, it's all about what you want to do with your life, if you allow your environment to define you it will.

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[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I tended to do nothing of the sort and categorized no race.

And I know quite a few people who have come from bad neighborhoods and made good is a joke. I know a lot more people who don't tolerate the activities that are tolerated (and yes glamorized) in bad neighborhoods. Getting out of a bad neighborhood is nothing.

Cleaning up a neighborhood and keeping it clean and safe is noteworthy.

Regardless of skin color when you and everyone around you sit on your a$$, do nothing, and allow the neighborhood you are so proud to have been part of deteriorate into chaos and violence you are a disgrace to decent society.

Then you act stunned when others really don't want your bystanding a$$ around them either? Better wake up sport. Inclusion means everyone stands for something and inclusion is not earned by standing by and tolerating something else.

If you think that's racism you're mentally numb. That's called being part of society.

Yes you do. every time there is a thread about gun violence or even a political topic, you defer to urban setting consistently. And one of your posts got removed yesterday because it was racist pute and simple.

The few people that did make it out made something of themselves, it's not as simple as you make it. My neighborhood didn't go down the hill until after I joined the military in 1993, when I used to come home on leave, I would talk to my friends to get them on the right path. Some listened, others didin't. You do what you can with what you have.

[Caryh 5,206]

Let's see. I have averaged about 2800 dollars per year of paying into SS. My employers have matched that. Assuming I had put that into a private IRA and averaged 5.5 % for 45 years I would have well over a million dollars in savings. At retirement I will reicieve about 22K per year.

It would take me until the age of 110 to get my money back assuming it drew no return the whole time I am retired.

That sounds like a real entitlement and government assistance to me... NOT

but you didn't put it in an IRA, you were taxed 126,000 over 45 years which was used to pay others drawing on SS. When you start taking from the system what you put in will be used up in less than 6 years. You can wish that money stayed in your pocket and you invested it well, but you didn't and neither did the government, because when SS started itvwas paying out to seniors from the beginning. You've been taxed for many other things to that you may or may not have seen as a benefit. SS just happens to be an entitlement program that pays out based on how long and how much you paid in.

[himher 634]

I do reference urban araes. Do you know why? The national murder rate is 4.7 but in Atlanta it's 20.7, in Baltimore it's 31.3, in Chicago it's 15.9, Cincinnati it's 20.5, Detroit 48.2, KC it's 23.4, New Orleans 57.5 and don't this list just go on and on and on and on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate but it comes from the Uniform Crime Reports.

Then I hear that the NRA or low taxes on me and my family not paying our fair share or any number of excuses are the cause of these murder rates while at the same time you dare to call me a racist for discussing crime, gun control, and violence and referencing the locations where they are 5, 8, 10 times higher than national average as if the discussion is off limits JUST and ONLY because you are offended by the fact that African-Americans are also there in greater numbers than elsewhere. But I didnt bother to point THAT out - you did.

I will now demonstrate some pure, simple racism:

"We as black people, it's time, it's time for us to come together. It's time for us to rebuild a New Orleans, the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans. And I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be chocolate at the end of the day."

Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans, Jan 16, 2006 MLK day speech.

Racism: An MLK day speech that defines the goal of elected leadership to develop a city that is inclusive of one group based on skin color and exclusive of another group based on skin color ONLY.

My take on it: Nice work. Blew the murder rate past all other cities to a whopping 57.5

"Vote for Revenge" Obama politics is also race politics and the "Vote for Revenge" communities appear to have the same outcome as Nagin's "chocolate city".

Then you call me a racist? There is no difference between using voting power to mug others and directly mugging them on the street.

Yes you do. every time there is a thread about gun violence or even a political topic, you defer to urban setting consistently. And one of your posts got removed yesterday because it was racist pute and simple.

The few people that did make it out made something of themselves, it's not as simple as you make it. My neighborhood didn't go down the hill until after I joined the military in 1993, when I used to come home on leave, I would talk to my friends to get them on the right path. Some listened, others didin't. You do what you can with what you have.

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[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I do reference urban araes. Do you know why? The national murder rate is 4.7 but in Atlanta it's 20.7, in Baltimore it's 31.3, in Chicago it's 15.9, Cincinnati it's 20.5, Detroit 48.2, KC it's 23.4, New Orleans 57.5 and don't this list just go on and on and on and on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate but it comes from the Uniform Crime Reports.

Then I hear that the NRA or low taxes on me and my family not paying our fair share or any number of excuses are the cause of these murder rates while at the same time you dare to call me a racist for discussing crime, gun control, and violence and referencing the locations where they are 5, 8, 10 times higher than national average as if the discussion is off limits JUST and ONLY because you are offended by the fact that African-Americans are also there in greater numbers than elsewhere. But I didnt bother to point THAT out - you did.

I will now demonstrate some pure, simple racism:

"We as black people, it's time, it's time for us to come together. It's time for us to rebuild a New Orleans, the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans. And I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be chocolate at the end of the day."

Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans, Jan 16, 2006 MLK day speech.

Racism: An MLK day speech that defines the goal of elected leadership to develop a city that is inclusive of one group based on skin color and exclusive of another group based on skin color ONLY.

My take on it: Nice work. Blew the murder rate past all other cities to a whopping 57.5

"Vote for Revenge" Obama politics is also race politics and the "Vote for Revenge" communities appear to have the same outcome as Nagin's "chocolate city".

Then you call me a racist? There is no difference between using voting power to mug others and directly mugging them on the street.

Yes, because you called our Commander in Chief a word that's associated solely with racism, and then claim to not know it. I won't repeat it here since I don't want to violate the TOS. You've shown your colors, and now you try to hide it, don't bother. It explains a lot in your posts.

I love it when people don't use context, here is the definition of Chocolate City since it's so racist to you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate_City_(album) It was created by George Clinton as a positive message to counter White Flight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

In African American culture, the term chocolate city refers to a positive, harmonious image of a city with a predominantly African American population and/or African American political leadership. The concept originated with radio DJs in Washington D.C. in the early 1970s and was popularized by the band Parliament, who released the album Chocolate City in 1975. The term has been widely used, including by prominent scholar Cornel West in his 1993 book Race Matters and by comedian Chris Rock.

His speech wasn't talking about inclusive blacks living there, New Orleans was predominately a black city for decades before Katrina, his whole point was to make it safe and thrive for the blacks that lived there. There has never been a neighborhood that keeps whites out of it, if you want to live there by all means do. Can you say the same thing for all white neighborhoods that "pick and choose" who can live there. http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/most-racists-states-us.asp

I know there are folks that don't agree with our new President, but their distaste is for the man himself not his skin color, if you care to explain your comment without violating the TOS again, then by all means, I'm listening.

[Karee 4,191]

I know there are folks that don't agree with our new President, but their distaste is for the man himself not his skin color, if you care to explain your comment without violating the TOS again, then by all means, I'm listening.

I thought when Obama was elected, he would be a foreign policy disaster. He basically had no political experience at all let alone any foreign policy experience. I can't think of a president that's had a better foreign policy since Reagan. His continuing unconditional support for the Israeli govt. gets on my nerves. I guess no matter who you put into the white house, that wont change.

I think Obama's domestic policy is a failure though.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I thought when Obama was elected, he would be a foreign policy disaster. He basically had no political experience at all let alone any foreign policy experience. I can't think of a president that's had a better foreign policy since Reagan. His continuing unconditional support for the Israeli govt. gets on my nerves. I guess no matter who you put into the white house, that wont change.

I think Obama's domestic policy is a failure though.

You and the Patriot have made your distaste for the President known. But I know from your post and talking to both of you it's not racist, that's my point. And then there are some that just hate him no matter what he does.