So, you didn't think Pelosi would try for a pull-out of Iraq?

[garya505 2]

So, to get back on the topic here, to those who didn't like my definitions of "winning" and "losing", what is your definition?

Or is all you can come up with is clever one-line shots at my definitions?

Like I said - you broke it, you bought it. I'd rather we make the best of it - but the reality is that to do so will require the presence of US troops for many many years - if not decades. Rumsfeld either knowingly lied or exhibited gross incompetence when he suggested we'd be in and out of there within a couple of years. They under-estimated the sectarian tensions, they underestimated the strength and tenacity of the opposition; and they opened the door to the very people who we are supposed to be fighting. If Saddam Hussein didn't have links to Al Qaeda before, the remnants of his regime as well as various other affiliated groups certainly do now.

How can we win? At this point who knows?

Its a mess - of catastrophic proportions.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So, to get back on the topic here, to those who didn't like my definitions of "winning" and "losing", what is your definition?

Or is all you can come up with is clever one-line shots at my definitions?

Like I said - you broke it, you bought it. I'd rather we make the best of it - but the reality is that to do so will require the presence of US troops for many many years - if not decades. Rumsfeld either knowingly lied or exhibited gross incompetence when he suggested we'd be in and out of there within a couple of years. They under-estimated the sectarian tensions, they underestimated the strength and tenacity of the opposition; and they opened the door to the very people who we are supposed to be fighting. If Saddam Hussein didn't have links to Al Qaeda before, the remnants of his regime as well as various other affiliated groups certainly do now.

How can we win? At this point who knows?

Its a mess - of catastrophic proportions.

Stay the course amounted to little more than a cheap slogan to disguise the fact that the administration was strategically out of ideas and couldn't get out of there without the President likely having to resign - and yes "emboldening the terrorists".

[garya505 2]

So, to get back on the topic here, to those who didn't like my definitions of "winning" and "losing", what is your definition?

Or is all you can come up with is clever one-line shots at my definitions?

Like I said - you broke it, you bought it. I'd rather we make the best of it - but the reality is that to do so will require the presence of US troops for many many years - if not decades. Rumsfeld either knowingly lied or exhibited gross incompetence when he suggested we'd be in and out of there within a couple of years. They under-estimated the sectarian tensions, they underestimated the strength and tenacity of the opposition; and they opened the door to the very people who we are supposed to be fighting. If Saddam Hussein didn't have links to Al Qaeda before, the remnants of his regime as well as various other affiliated groups certainly do now.

How can we win? At this point who knows?

Its a mess - of catastrophic proportions.

Stay the course amounted to little more than a cheap slogan to disguise the fact that the administration was strategically out of ideas and couldn't get out of there without the President likely having to resign - and yes "emboldening the terrorists".

So, what's your plan now?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

So, to get back on the topic here, to those who didn't like my definitions of "winning" and "losing", what is your definition?

Or is all you can come up with is clever one-line shots at my definitions?

Like I said - you broke it, you bought it. I'd rather we make the best of it - but the reality is that to do so will require the presence of US troops for many many years - if not decades. Rumsfeld either knowingly lied or exhibited gross incompetence when he suggested we'd be in and out of there within a couple of years. They under-estimated the sectarian tensions, they underestimated the strength and tenacity of the opposition; and they opened the door to the very people who we are supposed to be fighting. If Saddam Hussein didn't have links to Al Qaeda before, the remnants of his regime as well as various other affiliated groups certainly do now.

How can we win? At this point who knows?

Its a mess - of catastrophic proportions.

Stay the course amounted to little more than a cheap slogan to disguise the fact that the administration was strategically out of ideas and couldn't get out of there without the President likely having to resign - and yes "emboldening the terrorists".

So, what's your plan now?

Nuke 'em, Gary...then take all their oil.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So, to get back on the topic here, to those who didn't like my definitions of "winning" and "losing", what is your definition?

Or is all you can come up with is clever one-line shots at my definitions?

Like I said - you broke it, you bought it. I'd rather we make the best of it - but the reality is that to do so will require the presence of US troops for many many years - if not decades. Rumsfeld either knowingly lied or exhibited gross incompetence when he suggested we'd be in and out of there within a couple of years. They under-estimated the sectarian tensions, they underestimated the strength and tenacity of the opposition; and they opened the door to the very people who we are supposed to be fighting. If Saddam Hussein didn't have links to Al Qaeda before, the remnants of his regime as well as various other affiliated groups certainly do now.

How can we win? At this point who knows?

Its a mess - of catastrophic proportions.

Stay the course amounted to little more than a cheap slogan to disguise the fact that the administration was strategically out of ideas and couldn't get out of there without the President likely having to resign - and yes "emboldening the terrorists".

So, what's your plan now?

Do I have to have one? Do you? Bush clearly didn't...

Clearly its not as simple as troop withdrawal.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So, what's your plan now?

What was Bush's plan going in? I mean, other than having our troops collect flowers from the locals?

[garya505 2]

So, to get back on the topic here, to those who didn't like my definitions of "winning" and "losing", what is your definition?

Or is all you can come up with is clever one-line shots at my definitions?

Like I said - you broke it, you bought it. I'd rather we make the best of it - but the reality is that to do so will require the presence of US troops for many many years - if not decades. Rumsfeld either knowingly lied or exhibited gross incompetence when he suggested we'd be in and out of there within a couple of years. They under-estimated the sectarian tensions, they underestimated the strength and tenacity of the opposition; and they opened the door to the very people who we are supposed to be fighting. If Saddam Hussein didn't have links to Al Qaeda before, the remnants of his regime as well as various other affiliated groups certainly do now.

How can we win? At this point who knows?

Its a mess - of catastrophic proportions.

Stay the course amounted to little more than a cheap slogan to disguise the fact that the administration was strategically out of ideas and couldn't get out of there without the President likely having to resign - and yes "emboldening the terrorists".

So, what's your plan now?

Do I have to have one? Do you? Bush clearly didn't...

Clearly its not as simple as troop withdrawal.

Just as I thought, plenty of cheap potshots at my definitions of "winning" and 'losing", but no real plan.

Edited November 14, 2006 by garya505

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Just as I thought, plenty cheap potshots at my definitions of "winning" and 'losing", but no real plan.

So, what's your plan? Again, the flower collection thingi didn't work so well. What else you got up that sleeve?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Just as I thought, plenty of cheap potshots at my definitions of "winning" and 'losing", but no real plan.

What's your "plan" then?

[Alex+R 0]

Gary,

Wouldn't any plan be better than the vague 'staying of the course' that we're doing now? For all the "what's your plan?" y'all Bushbots like to throw at liberals, it's amazing how weak any sort of Bush administration plan has been. First you want Dems to clean up a mess they didn't make, and now you demand why they haven't yet done a better job of it in less than a week than Republicans managed to do from the start?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Just as I thought, plenty of cheap potshots at my definitions of "winning" and 'losing", but no real plan.

What's your "plan" then?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

So, to get back on the topic here, to those who didn't like my definitions of "winning" and "losing", what is your definition?

Or is all you can come up with is clever one-line shots at my definitions?

Like I said - you broke it, you bought it. I'd rather we make the best of it - but the reality is that to do so will require the presence of US troops for many many years - if not decades. Rumsfeld either knowingly lied or exhibited gross incompetence when he suggested we'd be in and out of there within a couple of years. They under-estimated the sectarian tensions, they underestimated the strength and tenacity of the opposition; and they opened the door to the very people who we are supposed to be fighting. If Saddam Hussein didn't have links to Al Qaeda before, the remnants of his regime as well as various other affiliated groups certainly do now.

How can we win? At this point who knows?

Its a mess - of catastrophic proportions.

Stay the course amounted to little more than a cheap slogan to disguise the fact that the administration was strategically out of ideas and couldn't get out of there without the President likely having to resign - and yes "emboldening the terrorists".

So, what's your plan now?

Do I have to have one? Do you? Bush clearly didn't...

Clearly its not as simple as troop withdrawal.

Just as I thought, plenty of cheap potshots at my definitions of "winning" and 'losing", but no real plan.

Let's drop a few strategic nukes on the terrorist's stronghold. That'll put the fear of God in them. We can take out Iran while we're at it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Just as I thought, plenty of cheap potshots at my definitions of "winning" and 'losing", but no real plan.

Actually, now that you mention it - I didn't make any "potshots" at your definition of "winning" and "losing". In fact, I didn't even mention them - I said I wasn't sure, which is somewhat more honest than the guy who says "more of the same".

[Carol&Marc 0]

Democrat VISION ,,,,,,,,,,,,HIDE

MAYBE IT WILL GO AWAY!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Democrat VISION ,,,,,,,,,,,,HIDE MAYBE IT WILL GO AWAY!

That's strange - I thought that's exactly what Bush was doing.