Few questions about removing conditions/i-751

[Martyshk 137]

We went in as human beings, and they did not ask for neither passport, or any other documentations showing what status we are in currently, but just changed our address in the computer to what we said to them verbally. Again, they were not asking for my passport, social security number, what visa I am now, what visa I was 5 years ago when I renewed my driver's license, or what visa I was on 5 years ago before 5 years ago (so 10 years ago) when I first applied for DL. And I tell you, 10 years ago I was on J2, and later on H4, and then got changed that to F1, and then now to GC. So, as you see, I switched visa statuses quiet a lot. During these time frames, I changed address a couple times too. None of the cases were they asking me for my passport, or anything like that. And, they never issued a new license, they just simply changed the address in their computer. So basically it will like you calling PG&E to tell them your new adress. So, I will also allow you to determine which the more prominent type of evidence is...LOL

All of this differs greatly state by state.

CA is lax. PA is middle ground. NJ is very strict (for example).

It's very hard to get a government issued ID in Jersey. Had to have 2 proofs of ID, 2 proofs of address and proof of immigration status.

[AnotherLostSoul 167]

All of this differs greatly state by state.

CA is lax. PA is middle ground. NJ is very strict (for example).

It's very hard to get a government issued ID in Jersey. Had to have 2 proofs of ID, 2 proofs of address and proof of immigration status.

Hey there!

Thanks for your reply. Yes, that's exactly what I thought when I left my message to the person. As he/she sounded like DMV is totally have a heavier evidence for living together than anything else...I brought my example up to show that it really depends on which state as in CA, just as you say, you could be illegal and can get an driver's license without any check, and you could report any address without any requirement to show it is actually your address, and not a random address, or friend's address, hence DMV (and hence CA ID, and DL) is probably the poorest evidence for "living together". But again, thank you for your post! Good luck to you at whichever step you are now at, unless you're completely done because then congratulations!

[Maleman 5]

We went in as human beings, and they did not ask for neither passport, or any other documentations showing what status we are in currently, but just changed our address in the computer to what we said to them verbally. Again, they were not asking for my passport, social security number, what visa I am now, what visa I was 5 years ago when I renewed my driver's license, or what visa I was on 5 years ago before 5 years ago (so 10 years ago) when I first applied for DL. And I tell you, 10 years ago I was on J2, and later on H4, and then got changed that to F1, and then now to GC. So, as you see, I switched visa statuses quiet a lot. During these time frames, I changed address a couple times too. None of the cases were they asking me for my passport, or anything like that. And, they never issued a new license, they just simply changed the address in their computer. So basically it will like you calling PG&E to tell them your new adress. So, I will also allow you to determine which the more prominent type of evidence is...LOL

Ah, but most probably the "Progressive States!" And we wonder how we got into an immigration problem. I would doubt that my state or region is the only state that conducts due diligence at the DMV office. I have heard that some states and areas have opened the door, I might add wide open...lol, for people due to culturally sensitive reasons. And, without doubt I'm sure most CO's are aware of state to state practices. As you may remember each state has a slight difference of criterion in issuing license to migrants. Now whether or not they abide by the law is another issue. Bottom line, more scrutiny is applied by law for drivers license than utility bills, and, I still believe it is easier to falsify a utility bill than a drivers license. However, in both cases this is not the optimum evidence, but I digress. (Smile)

[And_Sam 44]

Let's view the logic of which is the best evidence, "Drivers license" versus "Utility Bills." As it pertained to my wife's driver's license she had to appear in person, show passport and AOS/NOA1 document! In other words, it was officially verified by our state DMV, and, the mostly likely out of the two to be verified by USCIS. As it related to are utility bills, when we purchased our new home, we just called and added both our names to the bills. So, I'll allow you to determine which the more prominent type of evidence is. I recommend you download the I-751 instruction set and it will answer all these questions you have asked thus far.

Just a FYI, we submitted both of our driver's license to show they are up to date with the same address AND bills with both of us on them with the same address and they STILL sent us a RFE for more evidence.

[Maleman 5]

Just a FYI, we submitted both of our driver's license to show they are up to date with the same address AND bills with both of us on them with the same address and they STILL sent us a RFE for more evidence.

I’m so saddened to hear that some receive an RFE or in some cases worse. I have yet to read anything out on the WEB or any other resource that truly gives a finite list of marriage evidence that the CO’s are looking for. The only thing that I could say would be constants are “Red Flags” and “High Risk” countries that most likely account for the majority of RFE’s. Again, this is speculation on my part. Here is the really sad perception; marriage tends to be defined by the immigration officials. Normally, in our country and others throughout the world, marriage traditions vary from person to person, and from culture to culture. However, as it pertains to evidence there seems to be a format or set template you are to follow. If you do not follow this path then you are susceptible to questioning and/or further action. In the CO’s defense, too many people are able to falsify the most complex verification of sent materials. Thus, from time to time, more investigation is required or decided upon. One of the best recommendations I could make for everyone is attempt to have any document certified by an official. Preferably, important documents certified by another government agency. Then again, no one really knows the CO’s thinking process. I’ve stated often on this site; “The reason we have an immigration problem, is because we have an immigration problem.” The good here will suffer for the bad, and often too many times.

[Navyk 78]

I'm so saddened to hear that some receive an RFE or in some cases worse. I have yet to read anything out on the WEB or any other resource that truly gives a finite list of marriage evidence that the CO's are looking for. The only thing that I could say would be constants are "Red Flags" and "High Risk" countries that most likely account for the majority of RFE's. Again, this is speculation on my part. Here is the really sad perception; marriage tends to be defined by the immigration officials. Normally, in our country and others throughout the world, marriage traditions vary from person to person, and from culture to culture. However, as it pertains to evidence there seems to be a format or set template you are to follow. If you do not follow this path then you are susceptible to questioning and/or further action. In the CO's defense, too many people are able to falsify the most complex verification of sent materials. Thus, from time to time, more investigation is required or decided upon. One of the best recommendations I could make for everyone is attempt to have any document certified by an official. Preferably, important documents certified by another government agency. Then again, no one really knows the CO's thinking process. I've stated often on this site; "The reason we have an immigration problem, is because we have an immigration problem." The good here will suffer for the bad, and often too many times.

This my 2 cents worth - just my opinion.

First and foremost, the immigrant spouse is with the US citizen and hence the hardship is not like what we faced during the I-130/ DS-230/ I-864 process time. I would personally prefer a quick process (say 3 - 4 months) with an RFE than a longer process (say 8 - 9 months) without any RFE.

Secondly, even if one gets a RFE and even Interview, the question remains as to how many are actually denied a 10 year GC. That percentage of people that were denies looks like quite less. The genuine marraiges will definitely pass the interview - however if a genuine case is denied, then it a real real hardship.