Colorado school bars transgendered 1st-grader from using girls' restroom

[Danno 1,228]

Because Danno finds this icky. That's why.

Tell you what evylin, why don't you post what the leading phycological associations have to say on children (or adults) with these conditions..... do they also think it's "icky"?

[SMR 368]

no, i think she wants to use the girls bathroom.

All I'm saying is that there are stalls in the men's room as well. The fact that the men's room contains urinals does not inherently make it less possible to obtain privacy if one wants to use the stall.

In regards to the general issue, how long will it take before we have a bunch of 15-year old lesbians trapped in boy's bodies that want to use the girls locker room. Once you say that genitalia are no longer the basis by which a person's gender is legally determined, gender no longer exists as a concept that can be objectively defined. That's a dangerous place to go.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

All I'm saying is that there are stalls in the men's room as well. The fact that the men's room contains urinals does not inherently make it less possible to obtain privacy if one wants to use the stall.

In regards to the general issue, how long will it take before we have a bunch of 15-year old lesbians trapped in boy's bodies that want to use the girls locker room. Once you say that genitalia are no longer the basis by which a person's gender is legally determined, gender no longer exists as a concept that can be objectively defined. That's a dangerous place to go.

Quite true. I know adult men who can't pee at a urinal and have to use the stall.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Quite true. I know adult men who can't pee at a urinal and have to use the stall.

I would hate to be a man. I can't pee in public restrooms if anyone else is in there. Even though the toilets in the women's bathroom are completely private. The idea of a urinal disturbs me.

Edited February 27, 2013 by Evylin

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I would hate to be a man. I can't pee in public restrooms if anyone else is in there. Even though the toilets in the women's bathroom are completely private. The idea of a urinal disturbs me.

I remember some old men's rooms where they had a communal trough or round fountain like urinal and everyone stands there peeing side by side.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I remember some old men's rooms where they had a communal trough or round fountain like urinal and everyone stands there peeing side by side.

Ugggggh.

The greatest perk about my job is that I'm the only female. Private bathroom for the win!

Edited February 27, 2013 by Evylin

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Ugggggh.

I have one friend that can't go if someone next to him starts talking to him! He says it messes him up.

[decocker 7,198]

All I'm saying is that there are stalls in the men's room as well. The fact that the men's room contains urinals does not inherently make it less possible to obtain privacy if one wants to use the stall.

In regards to the general issue, how long will it take before we have a bunch of 15-year old lesbians trapped in boy's bodies that want to use the girls locker room. Once you say that genitalia are no longer the basis by which a person's gender is legally determined, gender no longer exists as a concept that can be objectively defined. That's a dangerous place to go.

i think there is a certain level of evaluation that takes place before a student is considered transgendered. gender isn't going to disappear because a percentage of children suffer from gender identity disorder. the slippery slope argument doesn't make the problem go away, we still have to find a way to accommodate the needs of these children.

[Teddy B 17,252]

I will never forget a documentary I watched a few years back about a man who felt he was a girl, but his parents were extremely religious and "old fashioned". They thought he was just weird, that it was just a phase, and since he was so young when he made this 'choice', they forced him to dress as a boy, act like a boy, refused to call him by the girl name that he'd chosen for himself. He felt like he didn't fit in, both boys AND girls at school were relentless in their teasing of him for being different.

He grew up with the idea in his head that there was something very wrong with him. He felt inadequate and broken. Not like the other boys, but not a girl either so he didn't fit in anywhere. His parents all but disowned him because he wouldn't "give it up" and live life the "normal" way. He never ended up getting the gender reassignment surgery he so desperately wanted because apparently, he found it easier to simply kill himself.

For some kids, it might be just a phase. For some kids, it could be the parents pushing something onto their child. But that's not the case for all children, and I think it's very dangerous to force a child into feeling a certain way when they simply don't. All to make everyone else around them "comfortable" ...

There are a lot of kids who are teased relentlessly for not "fitting in" at school, for many different reasons. I'm not saying it's right, but it's part of being a kid. It's the need to fit in that drives kids to pick on the ones that don't for whatever reason. I've been on both sides of that coin growing up. It's sad that th boy in your story killed himself.

I'm not saying that this child should be forced into feeling or acting a certain way, but I don't think this child should be spoon fed by his parents and society into a lifestyle that the child is not yet mature enough to understand. The parents should support the child and let this play itself out, but asking society to change in order for the child to feel comfortable is wrong in my opinion.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I have one friend that can't go if someone next to him starts talking to him! He says it messes him up.

Just having someone else in the bathroom is enough for me. Can't handle it. I don't like people hearing me pee. I lived with my husband for six months before I finally stopped running the water every time I had to pee. I'm a bit ridiculous...

[Penny Lane 8,159]

There are a lot of kids who are teased relentlessly for not "fitting in" at school, for many different reasons. I'm not saying it's right, but it's part of being a kid. It's the need to fit in that drives kids to pick on the ones that don't for whatever reason. I've been on both sides of that coin growing up. It's sad that th boy in your story killed himself.

I'm not saying that this child should be forced into feeling or acting a certain way, but I don't think this child should be spoon fed by his parents and society into a lifestyle that the child is not yet mature enough to understand. The parents should support the child and let this play itself out, but asking society to change in order for the child to feel comfortable is wrong in my opinion.

Something needs to be done to accommodate these children though. They have to get support from somewhere and not be made to feel that they're inferior or broken. Same goes for children who are bullied for other reasons. You can't stop bullying, but you can change how it's dealt with.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

What is the most idiotic line in the article? She has dressed as a girl for the last year. No, mom and dad dressed him like a girl. This one is on the parents.

[Teddy B 17,252]

I remember some old men's rooms where they had a communal trough or round fountain like urinal and everyone stands there peeing side by side.

Spooky, you'd remember the old Sullivan Stadium, now Gilette Stadium, and Fenway Park had those trough style urinals. Hated those foolish things.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

What is the most idiotic line in the article? She has dressed as a girl for the last year. No, mom and dad dressed him like a girl. This one is on the parents.

I think many 1st graders are capable of dressing themselves.

[decocker 7,198]

What is the most idiotic line in the article? She has dressed as a girl for the last year. No, mom and dad dressed him like a girl. This one is on the parents.

how do you figure? you're implying that the parents are trying to make him a girl, and that was the exact same argument used in the last transgendered child post..it can't be the child - it's the parents forcing an agenda? come on..