How to avoid rape!

[Caryh 5,206]

What IS a pencil window?!

That's what I called my zipper when I went to college.

[SamanthaL 45]

oooh yeah. say again, this time slower. gruffy like eastwood..

i think samantha is the canadian he's importing, and arming straight away..

Yes that would be correct, straight away.. Here are also some good examples why:

http://now.msn.com/atlanta-mom-shoots-intruder-in-the-face-5-times

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/05/okla-mom-shoots-intruder-no-charges_n_1186096.html

http://www.examiner.com/article/home-alone-12-year-old-oklahoma-girl-shoots-intruder-with-mom-s-gun

Especially the last one with a 12 yr old girl. Exactly what I'd want and advise any child of mine to do. She's a very brave and amazing little girl!

[decocker 7,198]

There are already several college campuses which DO allow concealed carry right now. There are studies done that are cited in the article I posted earlier that absolutely contradicts what you "know to be true currently" and what you're projecting in your hypothesis. I tried copying the part that refers to this, but the site won't let me. Here is the link it's in the first half of the first page.

http://www.campuscarry.com/pdf/sccc_answers_2011.pdf

i cant access that link right now. please directly quote where ccw permits lead to decreased rape reports.

[SamanthaL 45]

i cant access that link right now. please directly quote where ccw permits lead to decreased rape reports.

It's too much to type out at the moment, but go to www.campuscarry.com and look for "Answers to the most common arguements against concealed carry on campus". It won't let me copy and paste, but there are 6 pages of interesting facts and statistics. Not to mention the following quote from The Examiner newspaper:

Here are a few facts about armed Americans:

In 1982, the town of Kennesaw, Georgia, passed an ordinance which required all heads of household to have at least one gun in the house. The burglary rate immediately dropped an astounding 89 percent. Ten years after the law was passed, the burglary rate was still 72 percent less than it was in 1981.

-Armed citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as the police do every year in this country (1,527 to 606).

-A 1996 University of Chicago study concluded that states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rates by 8.5 percent, rapes by 5 percent, aggravated assaults by 7 percent, and robbery by 3 percent.

-According to the National Safety Council, with guns being used 2.5 million times a year in self defense against criminals, firearms are actually used more than 80 times more often to protect lives, rather than to take lives.

-A 1979 Justice Department study entitled Rape Victimization in American Cities, concluded that of more than 32,000 attempted rapes, 32 percent were actually committed. But when a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3 percent of the attempted rapes were actually committed.

-Another Justice Department study found that 57 percent of felons agreed that "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running the police."

[decocker 7,198]

It's too much to type out at the moment, but go to www.campuscarry.com and look for "Answers to the most common arguements against concealed carry on campus".

please read the op and the corresponding comments. i asked you for specific information regarding the topic at hand. can't deliver?

[Caryh 5,206]

Okay? but where is your evidence to support the guarantees you made? Binge drinking and suicide rates among college freshman have nothing to with that? How many of those were legally able to carry a gun? How many used guns?

To start with you have to be 21 to take the class and obtain a concealed carry permit in all but 2 states of the 40 that allow concealed carry. I attended college for 4 years and never attempted or thought of suicide nor did I "binge drink". Also, I ask you to try reading about acts of gun violence, including suicide, drunk or sober, committed by persons holding a concealed carry permit.

On one side you're advocating conceal and carry on college campuses to reduce rape, while here's you're using the argument on how few college students would quality for a conceal and carry permit. You can't have it both ways, either the guns are there in enough numbers too deter stranger rape, or they're not there to prevent accidental discharge and suicide. Also, most college rapes are not stranger rapes. They are rapes by someone known to the victim. Known to victim means they will most likely know who's packing or not. The two of these factors pretty much shoot the deterent argument to pieces. Pun intended. Also your personal actions in college do not make for a representation of a population group. Statics show college student bing drink. I certainly know I did in college and most of the people I knew in college did to. While a concealed weapon might help stop isolated cases, I can't see the true deterent value.

I asked my wife what the best solution was, and practical and to point as ever, she said put a lock on the bilat. That last word is Tagalog for those that may need to translate it.

[Novembro 1,763]

If women would just stay in the kitchen, their likelihood of getting raped would be so minimal amirite?

[SamanthaL 45]

please read the op and the corresponding comments. i asked you for specific information regarding the topic at hand. can't deliver?

Uh specifics are there for you to read. There are 6 pages worth of stuff there and no reason you can't access it. www.campuscarry.com ?! I told you it won't let me copy and paste? You obviously have internet access, you're on here? It's a working active website and that's delivery. Also the statistics I just provided do include colleges that allow campus carry and that's nationwide.

[decocker 7,198]

Uh specifics are there for you to read. There are 6 pages worth of stuff there and no reason you can't access it. www.campuscarry.com ?! I told you it won't let me copy and paste? You obviously have internet access, you're on here? It's a working active website and that's delivery. Also the statistics I just provided do include colleges that allow campus carry and that's nationwide.

i skimmed over the site and searched rape within the site (below the This website was last updated on August 8, 2011. The facts and statistics presented may be out of date. notation) and i didn't see any studies to back your claim. so whatever..

About two-thirds of sexual assaults occur between people that know each other, making it difficult for the victim to recognize their attacker’s motives. The likelihood that a victim would shoot a seemingly trustworthy acquaintance is slim to none. Even if an innocent were equipped and ready to use that gun when facing a threatening situation no matter who the assailant is, any semblance of danger would most likely not be noticed until it’s too late.

It’s also important to note that of those who choose to carry gun, they were approximately 4.5 times more likely to be shot in the midst of an assault then those without a firearm on hand.

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[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Move to Vermont. Carry a gun. Kill anyone that tries to rape you.

[Novembro 1,763]

Move to Vermont. Carry a gun. Kill anyone that tries to rape you.

Or you could be a normal person and continue to live in your own state, while maintaining safe (and tbh, common sense) behaviours.

Just a thought, though.

[SamanthaL 45]

On one side you're advocating conceal and carry on college campuses to reduce rape, while here's you're using the argument on how few college students would quality for a conceal and carry permit. You can't have it both ways, either the guns are there in enough numbers too deter stranger rape, or they're not there to prevent accidental discharge and suicide. Also, most college rapes are not stranger rapes. They are rapes by someone known to the victim. Known to victim means they will most likely know who's packing or not. The two of these factors pretty much shoot the deterent argument to pieces. Pun intended. Also your personal actions in college do not make for a representation of a population group. Statics show college student bing drink. I certainly know I did in college and most of the people I knew in college did to. While a concealed weapon might help stop isolated cases, I can't see the true deterent value.

No sir I'm not "having it both ways", I was simply responding to her statement about suicide rates among college freshmen, most of which are around 18 yrs of age (I think the majority will agree) and do not qualify to carry a gun in 38 of the 40 states at that age. The guns don't have to be there in huge numbers to be effective. If you are carrying a concealed weapon, no one really knows you are or if the person on either side of you may be. In cases of stranger rape, just knowing that concealed carry is allowed on campus and that any person you see on campus very well could be armed is absolutely a deterrent as much as telling your attacker you have HIV...both can cause death, one slow, one fast. As far as accidental discharge and suicide, I also offer to you the earlier 6 page article I posted that answers those questions about campuses that already have concealed carry approval.

http://www.campuscarry.com/pdf/sccc_answers_2011.pdf

And yes I agree, most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. Like Hannibal Lecter told Agent Starling in Silence of the Lambs, "we covet what we see everyday". As far as the rapist knowing if the victim is "packing heat", unless you wear it on your side like Marshall Dillon, or you advertise that you carry, no one is going to know if or when you have a gun. When I was in high school, a female friend of mine was on a date with a guy who tried to take it too far. She knew him really well and had been out with him several times thinking he was a genuinely nice guy. Much to his suprise, she also carried a decent size knife that even I didn't know about. Needless to say, he spent a couple hours at the hospital getting his arms stomach and chest all stitched back up. There are other options for those situations as well besides just a gun. Yes I do think if women carry on campus it will deter rape, the percentage I don't know? I feel extremely certain that it will be much more effective than vomiting or urinating on command while someone is assaulting you, probably punching you in the face. There is a cool new holster on the market for women that is made for a very small subcompact pistol that fits in the lower portion of the bra. I'm all about being prepared and having effective logical means of people being able to protect themselves. Your methods may be different than mine, but I don't have to wonder if mine will work. It's been tried countless times over the years. There are also those rapists who don't stop with just rape...they will kill their victim. How is someone to know which type a rapist someone might be? What advice would you give your wife if she is being raped? Just lay there and hope it's over soon? Vomit? Urinate? Do what he says and he won't kill you? I'd much rather have a gun and never need it than to need it one time to keep me alive and not have one.

[SamanthaL 45]

i skimmed over the site and searched rape within the site (below the This website was last updated on August 8, 2011. The facts and statistics presented may be out of date. notation) and i didn't see any studies to back your claim. so whatever..

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Exactly, you skimmed and obviously didn't read what I stated. So whatever... I just hope and pray for your sake you're not ever in that situation. There are some rapists out there that dont' just stop at rape...they don't leave any witnesses to identify them. I'd much rather have a gun and never need it than to need one just one time to save my life and not even own one.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Samantha's pretty hard core for a girl.

i think i'm in love

[decocker 7,198]

Exactly, you skimmed and obviously didn't read what I stated. So whatever... I just hope and pray for your sake you're not ever in that situation. There are some rapists out there that dont' just stop at rape...they don't leave any witnesses to identify them. I'd much rather have a gun and never need it than to need one just one time to save my life and not even own one.

thanks for your concern.