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CaroSL Rising Star

CaroSL   68

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If you don't have a big smile, you should be good. If you doubt it will be accepted... just take another pic. you can even do it yourself and use the online tool, so it will be cheap : http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/370252-how-to-make-us-passport-photos-very-cheap/ (this is just an example, there are so many examples of different tools to use on VJ, just search it)

Btw: this is the K-1 forum, not the CR1.

Good luck to you!

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TBoneTX   45,324

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*** Thread moved from K-1 Process forum to CR-1 Process forum. ***

06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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N-o-l-a   7,167

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I think standardly the passport photos can't have smiles because the distort the face for facial recognition purposes.

I don't think the G325a photos are used that way, but I could be wrong.

3/2/18  E-filed N-400 under 5 year rule

3/26/18 Biometrics

7/2019-12/2019 (Yes, 16- 21 months) Estimated time to interview MSP office.

 

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pushbrk   12,898

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I think standardly the passport photos can't have smiles because the distort the face for facial recognition purposes.

I don't think the G325a photos are used that way, but I could be wrong.

I doubt it's a problem at this stage but there's no such thing as a G325a photo. The passport style photo submitted at the petition stage has nothing whatsoever to do with the G325a. This is a common misconception that grows out of the fact that the photos appear in the evidence list, directly following the mention of the G325a forms. The photos are for the case file.

USCIS accepts the wrong size all the time with no problem. Yes, go back and get about 8 or 9 new ones before you go to the medical as several will be needed at that stage. One of those will be used on the visa itself.

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The Mean Lady Mentor

The Mean Lady   604

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US Passport photos CAN smile.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/pptphotoreq/photoexamples/photoexamples_5300.html

Smiling is neutral as long as you aren't like this:

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GandD Grand Master

GandD   5,966

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US Passport photos CAN smile.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/pptphotoreq/photoexamples/photoexamples_5300.html

Smiling is neutral as long as you aren't like this:

big_20smile.jpg

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VanessaTony Grand Master

VanessaTony   3,567

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You can smile.

Since when? Every time at biometrics they remind me not to smile. Here are the instructions: http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/visaphotoreq/visaphotoreq_5334.html

Passport yes, visa no. http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/visaphotoreq/visaphotoreq_5334.html

I have my photos made, but fate of fates I am smiling, while I see in the instructions now it says neutral facial expression. Has anyone every caught flack for smiling? Is it worth the hour trip to have new photos made?

I know of a few people, but then no-one really talks about their photos like that... Send them and see what happens. That way you haven't wasted a trip.

Aussie K1 process - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/206016-australian-beneficiaries-packet-3-to-interview-date/
AOS, EAD & AP - the Aussie Way (including document list) - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/235331-aos-ead-ap-from-k1-the-aussie-way-doc-list-included/
ROC April 2012 - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/358760-i-751-april-2012-filers/ (includes document list)
N-400 April 2013 - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/412738-n-400-april-2013-filers/ (includes document list)

N-400 Interview review - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/412738-n-400-april-2013-filers/?p=6381814

N-400 Oath Ceremony review - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/412738-n-400-april-2013-filers/?p=6537699
Aussie Chat page continued - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/331922-new-2011-land-downunder-aussie-aussie-aussie-oi-oi-oi/
Aussie Name Change on Passport Process - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/248400-australian-passport-name-change-process/
Travel on maiden name passport with married name GC, tickets in married name - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/183541-land-downunder-aussie-aussie-aussie-oi-oi-oi/page__view__findpost__p__4135806
Shipping Costs from Aus to US - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/293179-shipping-costs-aus-to-usa/

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Robinhood Rising Star

Robinhood   13

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Since when? Every time at biometrics they remind me not to smile. Here are the instructions: http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/visaphotoreq/visaphotoreq_5334.html

Passport yes, visa no. http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/visaphotoreq/visaphotoreq_5334.html

I know of a few people, but then no-one really talks about their photos like that... Send them and see what happens. That way you haven't wasted a trip.

Do not worry. Just keep smiling when you go for an interview and all will be well.

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11/30/2012 - NOA1 - NBC
01/09/2013 - Transfer to local office(Newark, NJ)
03/11/2013 - INFO Pass
04/04/2013 - INFO Pass
04/30/2013 - RFE - Properly complete and re-submit G-325A.
05/09/2013 - RFE hand delivered to Local office.
05/10/2013 - NOA2 - Newark NJ

NVC
05/13/2013 - NVC Received.
05/30/2013 - Case & IIN # Received.
05/30/2013 - DS3032 & E-mail sent to remove Attorney and appoint petitioner as choice of Agent.
05/30/2013 - NVC accepted request and stated that further communication will now directed to petitioner.
06/04/2013 - AOS & IV bill e-mail received, generated and paid.
06/05/2013 - AOS & IV status paid.
06/05/2013 - AOS package sent
06/12/2013 - IV package sent
06/25/2013 - AOS Accepted
07/03/2013 - IV accepted
07/03/2013 - Case Complete
07/30/2013 - Interview Date received

09/30/2013 - Interview

09/30/2013 - Approved

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Harpa Timsah Grand Master

Harpa Timsah   13,258

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Since when? Every time at biometrics they remind me not to smile. Here are the instructions: http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/visaphotoreq/visaphotoreq_5334.html

Since always. They are asking for US passport-style photos and smiling is allowed. The examples show people smiling. It must be a "natural" smile and not a goofy grin, like KDH demonstrated.

My husband smiled for his GCs, I smiled for my passports. The photos we sent in for AOS had smiles. I have heard of biometric people saying no smiling, but I think they are being overzealous.

Your link just says "neutral" expression without specifically saying no smiling or defining what that is. The photo examples linked on your page show smiling (see the blond lady).

This seems like the sort of argument over minutia that can go on and on, so I won't reply as I have said my piece. If you ever find anyone whose photos were rejected for smiling, let me know. I'd be interested.

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AOS for my husband
8/17/10: INTERVIEW DAY (day 123) APPROVED!!

ROC:
5/23/12: Sent out package
2/06/13: APPROVED!

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NikLR Grand Master

NikLR   13,227

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In Canada, you cannot smile for your passport or drivers photos. They have and will always be rejected for such. IMHO a Neutral face expression is exactly that, one that is neutral, one that is not showing emotion. Smiling indicates an emotion.

You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose.  - Dr. Seuss

 

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NikLR   13,227

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We're not talking about Canada.

Thanks tips. :D

Refer to the part that says NEUTRAL

please show me in the english language where NEUTRAL means SMILE?

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