Denied K-1 in Egypt

[NY_BX 397]

My husband is from Jordan and we had just about identical red flags(he has been here in the US since October).I didn't find visa journey until after NOA2, so I wasn't even aware we had so called red flags when we filed the I-130. I front loaded his petition with very little evidence. As someone who doesn't know anyone who has been through the immigration process, I never gave the red flags a second thought,other than having originally having met online(come to find out that was the least of our red flags). Our red flags were: Age difference, I am 21 years older, I am Catholic, he Muslim. We met online, married the first visit(in Islam there is no dating before marriage, so marrying on that visit was considered normal in his culture) my husband has a brother in Texas as well(Houston), I am divorced with 2 children, BUT I was still married when I met my now husband, legally separated from my ex. I did spend much more time with my husband before his interview though. My first visit, I spent 6 weeks there, returned 6 weeks later for a month, returned 7 weeks later for 2 weeks, and once again returned 5 weeks later for his interview and stayed another month. So I spent a little more than 4 months out of 8(half) with him between the time we were married and the date of his interview. I attended the interview and I was questioned along with my husband, we brought additional evidence that the CO never asked to see. We had bigger red flags than you and my husband was approved. I can;t help but think that spending a considerable amount of face time in Jordan with him worked in our favor. We missed each other and wanted to spend as much time as we could together.

As others have stated that no matter the direction you choose, you need to find out the exact reason for the denial before you apply for another K-1 or jump into marriage and file a CR1, you need to overcome the red flags. You also need to spend time with him in real life, one trip for 8 days is such a short amount of time if you expect to be successful for an approval. It is sad that you were denied, but you need to look at things through the eyes of the CO, one meeting for 8 days in addition to everything else, was a recipe for disaster in a MENA country. I wish you the best and keep us updated

There are several differences:

You spent time with him, several times.

You went to his interview.

You married him.

Also, apparently Jordan isn't as high fraud as Egypt.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

Ok, see? You missed the most crucial point: he married an American. He clearly (to the CO) looks like he's hunting for wives to get out. That's why the CO brought her up. Dr. AO detailed everything and every issue you may have.

I did leave out one other thing it could be. It's the worst case scenario and I hate to mention it really because I've only blatantly seen that done once on here too with the visa from Egypt. I'll explain in the post below.

My fiancee received this email from the Consular...where he had requested the reason for denial..This is what they sent back:

Kindly note that your case was not denied, the case will be sent back to US Citizenship and Immigration Services where it was initially filed for review and re-adjudication. USCIS will review the case and will provide you with a final decision

So...still not sure of where we stand at the moment--But it is making it clear it is not denied,right??

Have you actually seen these emails you're fiance has gotten from the embassy? Have you emailed the embassy yourself to inquire about the status of your petition? I only mention this because it is a possibility that isn't often mentioned and I'm not saying he's doing this but he could have been approved for the K1 visa and is telling you he didn't get it. This way he can enter the US on a K1 visa then change his address at POE. There is no requirement to notify the petitioner about it. Then he goes to stay with his brother or a friend or another lady love in the States and falls out of status and remains here illegally.

I saw something similar happen only once back in 2008 with a petition from Egypt, but it does happen. The guy was still married to his other foreign wife that he had a child with. She and the child were in Australia. Meanwhile he had a secret second marriage to a naturalized American. He lied to his second wife about not getting the visa and told her that he was called into the Egyptian Military and would be unable to communicate with her for several months. That's how a group I once organized through this site came to know her and her situation. After researching the military recall procedures and his facebook profiles online it was discovered that the entire time he was carrying on two affairs and manipulating both women. Come to find out he was working on a petition to Australia with his first wife and then a petition to the US with his second wife. When it was discovered he admitted to the lie but explained that he planned to get full custody of his child and divorce his first wife and then come to the States and live with his second wife. The second wife was so in love she was willing to accept this answer. Who knows if what he was saying was really the truth but one thing was sure was that they both were caught up in immigration fraud. He eventually realized his chances were busted with the States but he did make it to Australia with the first wife and his son and she accepted him into their lives even though she had found out and knew everything about the plan with the second wife.

Edited February 26, 2013 by Dr. A ♥ O

[NY_BX 397]

I did leave out one other thing it could be. It's the worst case scenario and I hate to mention it really because I've only blatantly seen that done once on here too with the visa from Egypt. I'll explain in the post below.

Have you actually seen these emails you're fiance has gotten from the embassy? Have you emailed the embassy yourself to inquire about the status of your petition? I only mention this because it is a possibility that isn't often mentioned and I'm not saying he's doing this but he could have been approved for the K1 visa and is telling you he didn't get it. This way he can enter the US on a K1 visa then change his address at POE. There is no requirement to notify the petitioner about it. Then he goes to stay with his brother or a friend or another lady love in the States and falls out of status and remains here illegally.

I saw something similar happen only once back in 2008 with a petition from Egypt, but it does happen. The guy was still married to his other foreign wife that he had a child with. She and the child were in Australia. Meanwhile he had a secret second marriage to a naturalized American. He lied to his second wife about not getting the visa and told her that he was called into the Egyptian Military and would be unable to communicate with her for several months. That's how a group I once organized through this site came to know her and her situation. After researching the military recall procedures and his facebook profiles online it was discovered that the entire time he was carrying on two affairs and manipulating both women. Come to find out he was working on a petition to Australia with his first wife and then a petition to the US with his second wife. When it was discovered he admitted to the lie but explained that he planned to get full custody of his child and divorce his first wife and then come to the States and live with his second wife. The second wife was so in love she was willing to accept this answer. Who knows if what he was saying was really the truth but one thing was sure was that they both were caught up in immigration fraud. He eventually realized his chances were busted with the States but he did make it to Australia with the first wife and his son and she accepted him into their lives even though she had found out and knew everything about the plan with the second wife.

Ok, so I'm not the only one that thinks someone isn't being truthful.....and is not the CO. This happens; its not unheard of. And it happens more than we think. I personally know of a case from Egypt like this. He wasn't married to anyone, but he had this lady petition him, he was approved, told her he was denied and came over. He lives with his uncle and cousins. Whatever happened afterwards, I don't know and frankly I don't wanna know.

The other possibility is that he's indeed denied for other reason and he's not being truthful. I really find it hard to believe it's because of a screw up in dates. There's more to this story than the OP either wants to tell or simply doesn't know. Bottom line, a 16 day marriage to a Kentucky lady, is bad as it is, simply because it sounds..........unbelievable. I think the CO thinks he is still married to that other lady. It's not impossible. If they married in Egypt and divorced in Egypt, maybe the papertrail isn't..........genuine?

Too many speculations, frankly.

sweet OP: Please launch an investigation on your own prior to moving forward with appeals or marriage. Be objective. We want your happiness above all.

Edited February 26, 2013 by NY_BX

[Cathi 5,783]

There are several differences:

You spent time with him, several times.

You went to his interview.

You married him.

Also, apparently Jordan isn't as high fraud as Egypt.

yes I know the differences, but we had many similarities. As I stated in my last post, we did spend a significant amount of time together and the fact that I went to the interview, that is how we overcame(at least I think) our red flags. I will say at the interview, the CO asked my husband perhaps 5 very simple questions, and interrogated me for over an hour, the CO was VERY tough on me, he tried to shake me and didn't succeed. Jordan is high fraud, not sure what the comparison to Egypt is, I have seen several people denied through Amman for having less red flags than my husband and I have. My hubby did have AP, but it only lasted about 10 weeks or so. I recommended to the OP that she really needs to think about spending more time with Amr before she decides to refile anything, no matter which route she chooses, 8 days is just not enough time to get an approval in a very high fraud consulate.

To the OP, I just want you to know I am not attacking you in any way whatsoever, I am just trying to get you to see things through the CO's eyes, and trying to help you prepare for what is in front of you. By the time we made it to the interview stage, we were well aware of what our red flags were(thanks to the wonderful ladies in the MENA forum who helped us tremendously), and that is why I chose to go to the interview. I was lucky enough to have been able to go to the interview, I don;t think the SO is allowed to go in Egypt anymore. It is never enjoyable to see someone from a MENA country be denied, and what all of us say to you is because we want to help you and see you succeed. Take the advice of the women here, especially people who have been through Egypt, I leaned on women who had gone through Amman before me, they were a great source of information and comfort(the comfort being when my husband was in AP). I also relied and leaned on women who have been through Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan, Palestine, the list goes on...

Keep us updated

[sweetlymystic 19]

Yes I have inquire by email to the Consular in regards to the status of his paperwork and have received the same email---stating it will be sent to USCIS for review and readjudication.

We are in constant contact and both very saddened over this situation.Is it possible that he could be leading a double life??? That is possible with anyone here...but no I do not feel nor think anything like that is happening in our relationship.Like I said before I appreciate everyone,s advice and theories ----in-between all of this I have gained some informative information.Now I will see what will be held in this reviewed petition...and go from there

Thank you very Much and Bless you all on your journey.

[NY_BX 397]

Yes I have inquire by email to the Consular in regards to the status of his paperwork and have received the same email---stating it will be sent to USCIS for review and readjudication.

We are in constant contact and both very saddened over this situation.Is it possible that he could be leading a double life??? That is possible with anyone here...but no I do not feel nor think anything like that is happening in our relationship.Like I said before I appreciate everyone,s advice and theories ----in-between all of this I have gained some informative information.Now I will see what will be held in this reviewed petition...and go from there

Thank you very Much and Bless you all on your journey.

Nothing is impossible. We've heard, read and seen stories dime a dozen. We truly want the best for you and we wish you good luck!

[Ihavequestions 419]

Yes ..Amr and I never knew each other beginning March 2011----his divorce was finalized March 2010(1 year prior). We have reviewed everything and every question asked by the consular...the only remark he made was"I believe you knew Melissa when you were married...and I have experience in my field..Sorry No Visa" ------This is all he said. With last remark.."I will also tell USA the same"

Whaaaaaaaaaaat? The Embassy is "the USA". I don't believe - not for one minute - the American employee of the US Embassy (and that's who does the interviews) would say that. It just doesn't make sense, just like it doesn't make sense that the Embassy would use dates - which are verifiable! - as a reason.

What does make sense is they saw your guy coming.

[Mrsrwhite 5]

I dont understand the conflict here. You should be simply waiting now for your god to determine what is to happen. There is nothing left to do which is why this is so simple.

The U S govt has denied your K 1 visa because they dont believe your story. That isnt going to change unless you change the story. Do that by getting married and filing for a C R 1 visa. It isnt a man that stands in your way its a govt.

Ning ....please don't be so mean, a member is reaching out...the worst thing they need is to feel worst than they already do now.

[Ning 619]

Ning ....please don't be so mean, a member is reaching out...the worst thing they need is to feel worst than they already do now.

I dont see this as mean at all. I didnt bring up the fact that I think some enity that lives in the sky will be able to affect what will happen to me. If you or others believe in this god then there should be no question about the outcome. Either way god is in control. How could god let this member down?

What exactly is your advice to help the OP or are you just here as a critic? You should confine yourself to what you understand.

[sweetlymystic 19]

I dont see this as mean at all. I didnt bring up the fact that I think some enity that lives in the sky will be able to affect what will happen to me. If you or others believe in this god then there should be no question about the outcome. Either way god is in control. How could god let this member down?

What exactly is your advice to help the OP or are you just here as a critic? You should confine yourself to what you understand.

My God has not let me down...and truly "Ning" I do not believe you "understand all", to have given me the advice you did. But it was your opinion and that is where it will lie. As your opinion.

In the end, God will grace My life with a final outcome that he has chosen for us.(YES "NING" My God is in control of my destiny) and my Faith in my Father will prevail.

[Ning 619]

My God has not let me down...and truly "Ning" I do not believe you "understand all", to have given me the advice you did. But it was your opinion and that is where it will lie. As your opinion.

In the end, God will grace My life with a final outcome that he has chosen for us.(YES "NING" My God is in control of my destiny) and my Faith in my Father will prevail.

You may have a reading comprehension problem. I didnt say " I understand all". I didnt say your god has let you down. I dont see how you twisted this into anything else.

Here is exactly what I said:

"dont understand the conflict here. You should be simply waiting now for your god to determine what is to happen. There is nothing left to do which is why this is so simple.

The U S govt has denied your K 1 visa because they dont believe your story. That isnt going to change unless you change the story. Do that by getting married and filing for a C R 1 visa. It isnt a man that stands in your way its a govt".

If you really believe your destiny is controlled by some god then its good for you. Whatever that destiny is will have to do and you wont need to feel bad nor complain. Again I dont really understand the conflict here. Because of those beliefs you dont need to do anything. Just sit back and let destiny carry you forward. What is wrong with that?

My advice is to rely totaly on your deep seated convictions.

[NY_BX 397]

Whaaaaaaaaaaat? The Embassy is "the USA". I don't believe - not for one minute - the American employee of the US Embassy (and that's who does the interviews) would say that. It just doesn't make sense, just like it doesn't make sense that the Embassy would use dates - which are verifiable! - as a reason.

What does make sense is they saw your guy coming.

EXACTLY

Someone is not telling the truth at all. Dates are easily verifiable. It doesn't make sense at all. However, the OP refuses to actually state what exactly happened- or at least what her fiance's accounts.

My God has not let me down...and truly "Ning" I do not believe you "understand all", to have given me the advice you did. But it was your opinion and that is where it will lie. As your opinion.

In the end, God will grace My life with a final outcome that he has chosen for us.(YES "NING" My God is in control of my destiny) and my Faith in my Father will prevail.

And guess what? I am not religious at all, but at the risk of sounding preachy, I will tell you what a Christian friend of mine told me once: "Always remember that Rejection, means God's protection."

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

My God has not let me down...and truly "Ning" I do not believe you "understand all", to have given me the advice you did. But it was your opinion and that is where it will lie. As your opinion.

In the end, God will grace My life with a final outcome that he has chosen for us.(YES "NING" My God is in control of my destiny) and my Faith in my Father will prevail.

As a deeply spiritual person who believe that our paths are laid before us by the universe, I would take this as a big sign that this isn't meant to be, but that is just me. If our second I-130 doesn't go through, we are just throwing our hands up and walking away for US immigration. How many more signs should it take?

[sweetlymystic 19]

I have stated everything..and I am by no way in some kind of denial over reality.

Amazing how far-fetched all( I am sorry...some of you on here) find our story...it is what happened.Needless to say ...I have read similar stories before in the past on visajourney.

I will say I have come to find...and I am very disappointed in the fact how I truly respected views here as I was applying for my journey and during the process of my journey ,but once someone posts looking for advice because of a negative outcome you are all like a pack of vicious hungry wolves ready to tear apart the OP . Wow!! Really apparent here if you re-read these posts.

So, No Thanks to those who have done this(believe me you know who you are) and Thank you to those that simply tried to be fair with an unbiased attitude.

And I wish nothing bad on anyone..but if you do not know(My case just like many others being sent back for review could easily have happened to anyone of you)

Now....I feel like the wolves will begin to growl again.........................

Edited February 27, 2013 by sweetlymystic

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

I have stated everything..and I am by no way in some kind of denial over reality.

Amazing how far-fetched all( I am sorry...some of you on here) find our story...it is what happened.Needless to say ...I have read similar stories before in the past on visajourney.

I will say I have come to find...and I am very disappointed in the fact how I truly respected views here as I was applying for my journey and during the process of my journey ,but once someone posts looking for advice because of a negative outcome you are all like a pack of vicious hungry wolves ready to tear apart the OP . Wow!! Really apparent here if you re-read these posts.

So, No Thanks to those who have done this(believe me you know who you are) and Thank you to those that simply tried to be fair with an unbiased attitude.

And I wish nothing bad on anyone..but if you do not know(My case just like many others being sent back for review could easily have happened to anyone of you)

Now....I feel like the wolves will begin to growl again.........................

Again I'm sorry you're facing this situation because it's going to be challenging to overcome. I hope you don't think any of my posts are attacking because that certainly wasn't my intent. I'm glad to hear you're in the loop on the Embassy communication and that you and your SO are in constant contact. Now will be the most trying test of your relationship and it can make or break it. I send my best wishes that this will make you both stronger and that it will all work out in the end. I've learned that while we can have faith and pray for what we want ultimately we have to be willing to let go and not be attached to the final outcome if it is God's will.

In the meantime empower yourself by reading up on the thread I linked and informing yourself with cases similar to yours and what you may expect next. Work on keeping it positive and together and how you can take more trips for the face to face time, and continuing to build and further the foundation of your ongoing relationship evidence.

Edited February 28, 2013 by Dr. A ♥ O