porque los hombres son mentirosos??

[Ladylethal 12]

Indeed, she used quitar properly.

[Mags 112]

Concuerdo con lo que dijeron sobre el buscar ayuda en tu iglesia o con el pediatra del niño. Pero como han sugerido algunas personas, tb. es posible que el problema es más una depresión posparto o causada por el traslado a un país desconocido en que no sabes el idioma. En cualquier caso, sea consejería matrimonial o consejos jurídicos lo que necesitas, esos sitios deberían poder ayudarle.

It's weird... her profile says she's Venezuelan, but her Spanish is just like she learned it as a second language. She does not speak Spanish, at least not fluently... it might be just a bluff or however you can call that. IMO!

Interesting....

Actually, my son, who speaks pretty fluent Spanish (Spain Spanish, not Mexican Spanish) thought it was Catalan Spanish...

Wonder why he doesn't know that Spanish and Catalan are two entirely different languages, then? They're no more the same language than Spanish and Italian are. Actually, Italian is more similar to Spanish than Catalan is.

Because he is TWELVE. Give him a break for chrissakes. According to the other poster he was pretty damn near, so he gets a big choc chip cookie from me.

Maybe she is just a woman needing help...

Why her language and how she posted here is so important?

She's a troll. Read Aussiewench's earlier post with the link....

Yes she needs help...but not in the way we would ordinarily think. After reading that link any urge many of us would have to help her kind of wavers.

Edited November 13, 2006 by mags

[Ban Hammer 13,481]

She doesn't speak English, apparently. But needs help.

Buena suerta, Lucila.

Yes she/he does http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=30074&hl= And its the only other thread from this ID

hmmm i thought the name volcanic was with someone from asia, hence the topic you linked above.

[camifree 2]

Concuerdo con lo que dijeron sobre el buscar ayuda en tu iglesia o con el pediatra del niño. Pero como han sugerido algunas personas, tb. es posible que el problema es más una depresión posparto o causada por el traslado a un país desconocido en que no sabes el idioma. En cualquier caso, sea consejería matrimonial o consejos jurídicos lo que necesitas, esos sitios deberían poder ayudarle.

It's weird... her profile says she's Venezuelan, but her Spanish is just like she learned it as a second language. She does not speak Spanish, at least not fluently... it might be just a bluff or however you can call that. IMO!

Interesting....

Actually, my son, who speaks pretty fluent Spanish (Spain Spanish, not Mexican Spanish) thought it was Catalan Spanish...

Wonder why he doesn't know that Spanish and Catalan are two entirely different languages, then? They're no more the same language than Spanish and Italian are. Actually, Italian is more similar to Spanish than Catalan is.

I translate letters from people who are uneducated in Spanish (even though it's their native language) all the time, and there's something a tad off about this post, but I'm willing to go so far as to say she's not a native speaker. It could be a lack of familiarity with expressing herself over the Internet, for example. But I do feel there are some weird structures--uneducated Spanish tends to have a lot of spelling errors and run-ons, but read out loud, makes perfect sense. This is a bit choppy, yet perfectly spelled.

Sorry, Catalan is not THAT different... I think they share the same rank, LOL.

And if you read it loud (knowing the language pretty well) you may understand perfectly what she means, but it is not first language, for sure. Starting with something so simple as "quitar" used as if it was "to quit", they are totally false cognates. I know a lot of Hispanics who have lived for a long time in the US are using verbs like "to quit" (quitar) and "to apply" (aplicar, like for a job), but this isn't supposed to be one, my guess. It could be someone who was already an immigrant in Venezuela (since it appears as the OP country). It's weird, right?

Where did she use "quitar" to mean "to quit"? I only see it used in "va (a) quitar el hijo", "is going to take away my son," which is certainly something I've heard over and over from Spanish-speaking victims of domestic violence who are afraid to leave because "dice que me va a quitar el niño". "To take something away" is the primary meaning of "quitar", and "to quit" wouldn't even make sense there. You can't say "he says he is going to quit my son."

Okay, I was wrong: Catalan is more similar to Spanish than Italian is, but less similar than Portuguese is. (89% similarity with Portuguese, 85% with Catalan, and 82% with Italian.) But thpse are still four separate languages! The official languages of Spain are Spanish, Catalan, Galego, and Basque. And if you think those last three are dialects of Spanish, obviously you've never heard any of them.

Basque has nothing to do with Spanish or any other language... its root is still a linguistic mystery....

I am afraid that Catalan and Gallego ARE dialects of Spanish.

I am also amazed how we put NUMBERS regarding languages, that really speaks about an accurate approach towards the subjectivity of it.

If she does not use a pronoun with "quitar", it can be confused by non-Spanish speakers by "quit". I made several people read it as a sample (it really called my attention), and they all had the same reaction, specially French speakers for whom "quitter" would mean "to take away" -probably what she was expressing.

I love this thing!

Edited November 13, 2006 by cami&josh

[Nessa 23]

hmmmmm

[Alex+R 0]

Gallego is so not a dialect of Spanish. It's clearly a dialect of Portuguese.

[Ban Hammer 13,481]

Gallego is so not a dialect of Spanish. It's clearly a dialect of Portuguese.

and i thought it was a wine maker

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

Gallego is so not a dialect of Spanish. It's clearly a dialect of Portuguese.

and i thought it was a wine maker

bro charles... me too!

Daniel

:energetic:

that or the guy that painted the mona lisa. but not sister LisaD. B)

[MrMrsKnight 0]

Gallego is so not a dialect of Spanish. It's clearly a dialect of Portuguese.

and i thought it was a wine maker

So did I!!!

Catalan is more similar to Spanish than Italian is, but less similar than Portuguese is. (89% similarity with Portuguese, 85% with Catalan, and 82% with Italian.)

And if Spanish sounds like Portuguese, I don't know what language I've been speaking for the last 21 years... 'cause it sounds nothing like Spanish:unsure: It's just like saying that Japanese and Chinese are alike. It might sound like it to us, but it's not true.

[Alex+R 0]

Yes, um, 85%?? I heard (from Rey) that Romanian is the language closest to Portuguese in grammatical structure. And Spanish might share some vocab, but it doesn't sound anything like Portuguese... I went to Argentina last month and I was like "what??" all the time.

eta: *and so was Rey

Edited November 13, 2006 by Alex+R

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

Yes, um, 85%?? I heard (from Rey) that Romanian is the language closest to Portuguese in grammatical structure. And Spanish might share some vocab, but it doesn't sound anything like Portuguese... I went to Argentina last month and I was like "what??" all the time.

eta: *and so was Rey

it may sound different but sure reads a lot like spanish. i do ok reading the brasilian threads.

Daniel

:energetic:

[MrMrsKnight 0]

I used to speak Spanish fluently... but after I learned English I just forgot how to speak Spanish. I guess it's not like riding a bike

Here's some information on Catalan:

Catalan IPA: is a Romance language, the national language of Andorra and co-official in the Spanish autonomous communities of Balearic Islands, Valencia (under the name Valencian) and Catalonia. Spain has the majority of active Catalan speakers. It is spoken or understood by as many as 12 million people who live not only in Andorra and Spain, but also in parts of southwestern France (most of Pyrénées Orientales) and in the city of Alghero in Sardinia, Italy.

It shares many features with both Spanish and French, and is the language nearest to Occitan. Indeed, when comparing the modern descendants of Latin, Catalan is often thought of as a transitory language between the Iberian Romance languages (such as Spanish) and Gallo-Romance languages (such as French), though this characterization is not strictly accurate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language

And on Portuguese

In spite of the obvious lexical and grammatical similarities between Portuguese and other Romance languages outside the West Iberian branch, it is not mutually intelligible with them to any practical extent. Portuguese speakers will usually need some formal study of basic grammar and vocabulary, before being able to understand even the simplest sentences in those languages (and vice-versa):

Ela fecha sempre a janela antes de jantar. (Portuguese)

Ela fecha sempre a fiestra antes de cear. (Galician)

Ella cierra siempre la ventana antes de cenar. (Spanish)

Ella tanca sempre la finestra abans de sopar. (Catalan)

Lei chiude sempre la finestra prima di cenare. (Italian)

Ea închide întotdeauna fereastra înainte de a cina. (Romanian)

Elle ferme toujours la fenêtre avant de dîner/souper. (French)

She always shuts the window before dining.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language

Hijacking the thread are we?

Edited November 13, 2006 by MrMrsKnight

[camifree 2]

I love this topic

[Alex+R 0]

I love this topic

Me too!!!!

[dmartmar 1]

Todo esto huele a fraude y/o tarjeta verde.

El bebe es solo una "herramienta" mas para probar y que la "validez" del matrimonio.

Y ni se diga que en cualquier momento llegan las acusaciones falsas de violencia domestica.

Edited November 14, 2006 by dmartmar