White supremacist asks hospital to only assign white nurses to his baby in the NICU

[Danno 1,228]

Time to go back to class Danno, your teachings are way off:

First, lets use some facts: http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html.

One University of Chicago graduate applying for a business money management position in Dallas told the Times of how one hiring manager became excited while talking to him over the phone about how lucky the company was to hear from someone with a top business school education.

But once the company representatives met him and saw that he was Black, “Their eyes kind of hit the ceiling a bit. It was kind of quiet for 45 seconds.” The company’s interest in him quickly cooled.

A Yale University graduate commented, “It does weigh on you in the search because you’re wondering how much is race playing a factor in whether I’m even getting a first call or whether I’m even getting an in-person interview once they hear my voice and they know I’m probably African American?”

Guess we still have a long way to go huh. I am glad my mother named me Marvin instead of Jamal.

And second, once again you missed the point completely. This was not about personal preference, it's about discrimination because she is black. He said it in plain english.

IF the name Jamal is a turnoff to some it has more to do with name-association rather than racism.

If it were simply a race thing using the name "Ling" would count against you rather than for you.

PS: Next time you try to take me to school on an issue, actually post something of merit, ad hock stories of why people claim they didn't get a job is not exactly "Showing your work".

[Dakine10 5,452]

Here let me school you a bit as well.

-Affirmative action "Takes" from person A. who never wronged anyone and gives to person B. who need not even demonstrate he was wronged or that his family history was even in the country from that era.

Person B. may or may not even be as deserving of the preference.

I think most people agree "some" forms of affirmative actions were needed and just..... the shelf-life on that is up.

- In your second point you layout the logic of why it was wrong to reject the Black care taker. A. she did nothing wrong B. She was well qualified.

The customers hangup was all in his mind. (what he was comfortable with)

To which I have pointed out- this is quite common, even members here reject health professionals simply based on their sex.

We are talking about a baby in a neonatal intensive care unit. Don't compare that to picking a doctor for a prostate exam. Given the seriousness of the condition and the extreme level of specialization it takes to actually work in one of these units, it is very unusual for a hospital to honor a request of this nature. These nurses are typically assigned one or two babies, usually right next to each other. It's asinine that they would be rearranging everything to accomodate one jackass like that.

I'm kind of dumbfounded that management let it happen. The hospitals legal department was right, and most managers should have at least a basic understanding of why that is. The hospital is going to end up paying, and they are going to lose a nurse with 25 years of NICU experience. It's an unbelievable screw up in this day and age.

[Danno 1,228]

We are talking about a baby in a neonatal intensive care unit. Don't compare that to picking a doctor for a prostate exam. Given the seriousness of the condition and the extreme level of specialization it takes to actually work in one of these units, it is very unusual for a hospital to honor a request of this nature. These nurses are typically assigned one or two babies, usually right next to each other. It's asinine that they would be rearranging everything to accomodate one jackass like that.

I'm kind of dumbfounded that management let it happen. The hospitals legal department was right, and most managers should have at least a basic understanding of why that is. The hospital is going to end up paying, and they are going to lose a nurse with 25 years of NICU experience. It's an unbelievable screw up in this day and age.

Yo, I don't think I ever said the Hospital "should" accommodate this guy. Thats up to them.

I know you Lefties love to go down with the ship over a principle....unless that principle contradicts what you do.... but the principle is - people discriminating against healthcare workers over age sex, race or other things that have nothing to do with performance.

Should a women be able to reject an emergency room exam by a male? How about by a lesbian?

Where do you draw the line with your principle?

You seem to be hung up on the high level of skill required ... so rejection an Asian nurse over a routine check-up is ok?

You people are all over the place.

[Fandango 1,440]

When an older person gets in an elevator, how many times have you seen a woman clutch her purse? When they drive a nice car, how many times do you see them get pulled over because they fit the description? How many times have you ever heard of an elderly person being killed because they looked suspicious? If a job requires you to do some strenuous activity, and an advanced age person can't do those duties, it's not discrimination, it's a requirement. But I know for a fact that many minorities have had qualifications and more but still didn't get hired solely on the color of their skin, apples and oranges.

Kinda off topic, but since you mention it, I had to say something.

If a black guy got in an elevator, but he was nicely dressed, I wouldn't clutch my purse.

If a white guy got in an elevator, but was poorly dressed - eg looking like a crack head or dressed all 'gangster', I'd clutch my purse.

I think it's more class-ism, not racism.

On topic: affirmative action is racist in its nature. It may have been necessary at some point, but it's no longer relevant today. And it perpetuates the racist notion that persons of color aren't capable to get the jobs they are qualified for.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

IF the name Jamal is a turnoff to some it has more to do with name-association rather than racism.

If it were simply a race thing using the name "Ling" would count against you rather than for you.

PS: Next time you try to take me to school on an issue, actually post something of merit, ad hock stories of why people claim they didn't get a job is not exactly "Showing your work".

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So tell me what exactly is a turnoff about Jamal, the name means handsome in Arabic. Oh that's right, it's popular in the black community so chances are if someone is named Jamal, he's black. Got it.

Having an asian name will hurt you if you are trying to get into an ivy league school as well, but I'll bet you anything if you have two equal people, one black and one asian, I already know who will get the job.

And since you think my ad hock site isn't good enough, try this one: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=124232&page=1

[decocker 7,198]

imo, this is a way over sensationalized story. i feel sorry for the kid, but the kid won't be the first with ignorant parents. i know a guy who's ex wife remarried a white supremacist (he's of course also on full disability because he's bat sh*t crazy, he has never had a full time job, has seven children throughout virginia - he's only allowed contact with one of them) and they decided to bring another beautiful white baby into the world, because you know we're dying out and all..

know what they named her? aaryan grace. don't let the spelling through you off.

idiots exist. not a damn thing can be done about it, especially when they're reproducing. sometimes we find ourselves in positions where we have to accommodate their idiocy.

Edited February 27, 2013 by val erie

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Kinda off topic, but since you mention it, I had to say something.

If a black guy got in an elevator, but he was nicely dressed, I wouldn't clutch my purse.

If a white guy got in an elevator, but was poorly dressed - eg looking like a crack head or dressed all 'gangster', I'd clutch my purse.

I think it's more class-ism, not racism.

On topic: affirmative action is racist in its nature. It may have been necessary at some point, but it's no longer relevant today. And it perpetuates the racist notion that persons of color aren't capable to get the jobs they are qualified for.

Glad to see some people can make the distinction. Here is how I dress when I go out:

The examples I posted before have all happened to me and my friends and family. I don't sag my pants nor do I wear ballcaps. My shoes are clean and I always have on a shirt with a collar and some nice slacks. Now, even when I dress like this, I have seen the wary looks when we walk into a place that has few or no black people. But I won't say it's class-ism for a few reasons:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/forest-whitaker-stopped-frisked-upper-east-side-deli-article-1.1266100

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9411197/site/todayshow/ns/today-entertainment/t/oprah-revisits-her-feud-hermes/

And my personal favorite: http://articles.cnn.com/2009-09-10/politics/obama.heckled.speech_1_illegal-immigrants-illegal-aliens-rep-joe-wilson?_s=PM:POLITICS

These are people at the top of the food chain so to speak, and it still gets to them.

Case in point: About 6 months after my wife came to the US, I took her out to dinner and a movie. We stopped at a gas station to refuel and get some snacks for later on that evening. I was reading the lottery tickets on the bathroom door while waiting for her to look around inside of the gas station. There were a few white men and women standing in the proximity of where I was standing in reference to the bathroom door. After a few minutes, an older white guy comes out and asks if I am waiting to use the bathroom, I told him no, just reading the tickets on the door. To our left was a stand holding beer 4 packs. Now, there were a few other white people standing closer to the beer stand than I was but guess what happened? Two out of the 4 beers were missing, and after he loudly pointed this out to me and only me, he asked did I take the beer. Mind you, I don't drink at all. I calmly told him no, and proceeded to wait for my wife. He then said "are you sure you didn't take them?" By this time my wife had made her way to me and caught wind of what was going on. Before I could even get a word out, she told him, my husband doesn't drink anything with alcohol and he sure isn't a thief. Taken aback by what she said he said oh ok and walked off. So I know better.

[Danno 1,228]

Glad to see some people can make the distinction. Here is how I dress when I go out:

The examples I posted before have all happened to me and my friends and family. I don't sag my pants nor do I wear ballcaps. My shoes are clean and I always have on a shirt with a collar and some nice slacks. Now, even when I dress like this, I have seen the wary looks when we walk into a place that has few or no black people. But I won't say it's class-ism for a few reasons:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/forest-whitaker-stopped-frisked-upper-east-side-deli-article-1.1266100

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9411197/site/todayshow/ns/today-entertainment/t/oprah-revisits-her-feud-hermes/

And my personal favorite: http://articles.cnn.com/2009-09-10/politics/obama.heckled.speech_1_illegal-immigrants-illegal-aliens-rep-joe-wilson?_s=PM:POLITICS

These are people at the top of the food chain so to speak, and it still gets to them.

Case in point: About 6 months after my wife came to the US, I took her out to dinner and a movie. We stopped at a gas station to refuel and get some snacks for later on that evening. I was reading the lottery tickets on the bathroom door while waiting for her to look around inside of the gas station. There were a few white men and women standing in the proximity of where I was standing in reference to the bathroom door. After a few minutes, an older white guy comes out and asks if I am waiting to use the bathroom, I told him no, just reading the tickets on the door. To our left was a stand holding beer 4 packs. Now, there were a few other white people standing closer to the beer stand than I was but guess what happened? Two out of the 4 beers were missing, and after he loudly pointed this out to me and only me, he asked did I take the beer. Mind you, I don't drink at all. I calmly told him no, and proceeded to wait for my wife. He then said "are you sure you didn't take them?" By this time my wife had made her way to me and caught wind of what was going on. Before I could even get a word out, she told him, my husband doesn't drink anything with alcohol and he sure isn't a thief. Taken aback by what she said he said oh ok and walked off. So I know better.

Clearly there are going to be instances where you might be subject to a race based harassment. But often times it is how we perceive an "unexplainable situation".

For instance if we were both pulled over for no apparent reason, you might chalk it up to Driving While Black.... where I would just think the cop is messing with me.

This is one of the unfortunate things in life when you have Diversity. IF the man who had asked you about the Beer was Black, you no doubt would have dismissed it as odd, but because he was not Black it must be race.

When I have had bosses who seemed to be unfair, I don't assume it is due to race, but if the boss where white and I were Black you can bet that would be my first assumption.

SOmetimes it could be a racial thing, other time it just is unexplained.

[decocker 7,198]

This is one of the unfortunate things in life when you have Diversity. IF the man who had asked you about the Beer was Black, you no doubt would have dismissed it as odd, but because he was not Black it must be race.

i read this comment and all i could think about was the black cop in boyz in the hood.

you don't know anything about being black or about experiencing discrimination on a day to day basis. but of course you think you know exactly how you would react or the treatment that other people receive, where it comes from and how they should react. typical.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Clearly there are going to be instances where you might be subject to a race based harassment. But often times it is how we perceive an "unexplainable situation".

For instance if we were both pulled over for no apparent reason, you might chalk it up to Driving While Black.... where I would just think the cop is messing with me.

This is one of the unfortunate things in life when you have Diversity. IF the man who had asked you about the Beer was Black, you no doubt would have dismissed it as odd, but because he was not Black it must be race.

When I have had bosses who seemed to be unfair, I don't assume it is due to race, but if the boss where white and I were Black you can bet that would be my first assumption.

SOmetimes it could be a racial thing, other time it just is unexplained.

Unexplained would mean that it's just routine. Here's a secret, most minorities can tell the difference between racism or something everyone is going through. I don't assume everytime I get pulled over it's DWB, but I know quite a few times it has been. How do I know you ask? Simple, the way you are pulled over is always an indicator. If you're pulled over for speeding, broken tail light, routine traffic stop, I have no issues. It's when things go out of the ordinary that you know it's DWB, case in point:

Back in 1994, I was driving my girlfriend to the mall one night to do some shopping. Now back then there were certain neighborhoods you didn't drive through because of more police and their habit to stop and harass black people(it's funny how in the urban parts of the city there were little to no cops, but out there they were everywhere). But I was not thinking and decided to take the scenic route versus the highway. And that choice led me right through St. Ann county, a predominately white part of the city. Now I wasn't worried because up to this point because I had no warrants, neither did my girl and I am a very good driver. But like I said, it doesn't matter what you do, your skin color speaks louder than anything else. I distinctly remember pulling up to a red light; the police car was coming in the OPPOSITE direction. We both sat there for a second, I remember looking over at him and his partner while they were talking, they didn't even see me. I went back to looking forward, then I felt it, the stare down. I looked back and both of them were staring at me, like they knew me. I remember telling my girl to get the registration out of the glove department because we were going to be pulled over. She said" nah, they are going in the other direction." As soon as the light turned green, I started to go through, and that cop car went throught the light and made a complete U turn to come behind me with his lights and sirens blazing. Spent 10 minutes getting my ID and hers ran through the system and a bunch of silly questions like what was I doing driving through the neighborhood, where was I going, how did I afford the car I was driving, did I sell drugs, or was I in a gang.

So to be clear, when you are a minority, you can tell the difference. Most non minorities don't understand it because it's part of an equation you most likely will never see.

[Danno 1,228]

i read this comment and all i could think about was the black cop in boyz in the hood.

you don't know anything about being black or about experiencing discrimination on a day to day basis. but of course you think you know exactly how you would react or the treatment that other people receive, where it comes from and how they should react. typical.

You were almost there!

I thought for sure you would use that line of Obama (when talking about his racist Grandmother)..... "Typical white person"

[decocker 7,198]

You were almost there!

I thought for sure you would use that line of Obama (when talking about his racist Grandmother)..... "Typical white person"

i was almost where?

and i had no idea obama had a racist grandmother. nor do i care.

[Golden Gate 530]

I am white, my ex was Mexican, and we had several encounters, which to me were very weird. One was that he was driving and we got stopped by the police in San Francisco because we didn't have our headlights on when it was just beginning to turn dusk. It was still very light outside, as the sun was just starting to set and many other cars didn't have their headlights on yet. The second time I was driving and we got stopped, and they asked for HIS license, even though he was in the passenger seat.

A couple of other incidences weren't related to the police: One, we were just stopping to appreciate the bayou outside my hometown, when a man, completely red-faced and screaming, came up to us on his tractor waving a bat, screaming (I mean screaming like he was out of his mind) at us to get off his property. Course, we couldn't tell it was his property as it was a dirt road going up to the bayou. Another incident was when we were eating at a Mexican restaurant in SF and my ex found long black hair in his food. He went to complain, and the server, who was Mexican and had long, black hair, accused it of being my hair, which was blonde and short. My ex proceeded to take his plate of food and dump that unexplained incident all over the bathroom.

edited because it sounded strange the way it was written.

Edited February 27, 2013 by Golden Gate

[Danno 1,228]

i was almost where?

and i had no idea obama had a racist grandmother. nor do i care.

[decocker 7,198]

i know you have a difficult time with context danno.

my grandparents were both 'typical white people' of their time. it took them almost five years to accept their two half black grandchildren. seriously, i was visiting with them every other weekend, while my cousin who was a year older than me - living in the same town as me and my grandparents - had never even met them, he was not welcome in their home. their own flesh and blood.

thankfully, they were able to outgrow the racism that affected many people in their generation. my grandfather ended up being a very close friend and more of a father to my cousin than his actual dad. people can change for the better.