Household Size?

[ScottMichela 0]

Hey all,

I'm a little confused at the moment about my household size. I have the same primary residence as my mother, but the 2012 tax transcripts will show that we are compeletely independent. I am not her dependent and she is not mine- we are both filed as single. But, looking ahead to the i-864 form I see that one question has an option "g." which gives you the option of listing an adult sibling or parent as part of your household. I believe this is what you check if you have a co-sponsor in the same household filling out an i-864 A form. In short I'm confused whether to follow the 2012 tax transcripts or this i-864 option when filling out my i-134 form. It would make the difference of a 2 person or 3 person household. I do not contribute to the household costs (there is no mortgage anyways) and technically stay as a guest.

Please help

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Hey all,

I'm a little confused at the moment about my household size. I have the same primary residence as my mother, but the 2012 tax transcripts will show that we are compeletely independent. I am not her dependent and she is not mine- we are both filed as single. But, looking ahead to the i-864 form I see that one question has an option "g." which gives you the option of listing an adult sibling or parent as part of your household. I believe this is what you check if you have a co-sponsor in the same household filling out an i-864 A form. In short I'm confused whether to follow the 2012 tax transcripts or this i-864 option when filling out my i-134 form. It would make the difference of a 2 person or 3 person household. I do not contribute to the household costs (there is no mortgage anyways) and technically stay as a guest.

Please help

You have to show the entire household size, including you, your mother, and your fiance(e). You can also use the entire household income, having your mother complete the I-864A for AOS.

For the I-134, I believe you would have your mother fill out a separate I-134, and treat her as a co-sponsor.

Edited February 15, 2013 by The Patriot

[ScottMichela 0]

You have to show the entire household size, including you, your mother, and your fiance(e). You can also use the entire household income, having your mother complete the I-864A for AOS.

For the I-134, I believe you would have your mother fill out a separate I-134, and treat her as a co-sponsor.

and there is my confusion. since we were not a household for the IRS, and she is completing a separate i-134 (i.e. her income is not directly combined with mine on the i-134) why would we be a household of 3 at this stage?

[VanessaTony 3,567]

The other poster is completely incorrect.

Even though you're completing the I-134, similar rules to the I-864 apply. The instructions of the I-864 explain "household" size. It does NOT mean anyone who lives in the same house HAS to be included, that would be ridiculous (especially because when I immigrated my then fiance had friends staying over because of Hurricane Katrina... there were 6 people in the house at one stage!). Here: http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-864instr.pdf bottom of page 2, column 1.

The only time you would include someone who lives in the house is if you're using their income to supplement yours, in which case they need to sign an I-864A. If your income alone is enough they don't county as a "household member" or their income. If your mothers income was needed for the I-134 she would need to sign her own.

So basically, if it's just you and the immigrant, then it's 2.

Edited February 15, 2013 by Vanessa&Tony

[VanessaTony 3,567]

and there is my confusion. since we were not a household for the IRS, and she is completing a separate i-134 (i.e. her income is not directly combined with mine on the i-134) why would we be a household of 3 at this stage?

If your mother is including her own I-134, she only does HER household count (if you're over the age of 21 and not on her taxes then you aren't a dependent) plus the immigrant.

**EDit - if come AOS time when you need the I-864 your mother's income is needed again then there will be a household count of 3 if she completes an I-864A. If she completes her own I-864 then it's just 2 for her and 2 for you. Just because you live together doesn't mean she HAS to do an I-864A.

Edited February 15, 2013 by Vanessa&Tony

[ScottMichela 0]

The other poster is completely incorrect.

Even though you're completing the I-134, similar rules to the I-864 apply. The instructions of the I-864 explain "household" size. It does NOT mean anyone who lives in the same house HAS to be included, that would be ridiculous (especially because when I immigrated my then fiance had friends staying over because of Hurricane Katrina... there were 6 people in the house at one stage!). Here: http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-864instr.pdf bottom of page 2, column 1.

The only time you would include someone who lives in the house is if you're using their income to supplement yours, in which case they need to sign an I-864A. If your income alone is enough they don't county as a "household member" or their income. If your mothers income was needed for the I-134 she would need to sign her own.

So basically, if it's just you and the immigrant, then it's 2.

so if i use her as a cosponsor for the i-134 she fills out her own and is still NOT part of my household? if her acting as cosponsor means that i have to account for a household of 3 then i'd rather use my sister as a co-sponsor who has a separate address.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

so if i use her as a cosponsor for the i-134 she fills out her own and is still NOT part of my household? if her acting as cosponsor means that i have to account for a household of 3 then i'd rather use my sister as a co-sponsor who has a separate address.

Nope she is not an immigrant nor your dependent. She doesn't count as part of your household count.

[ScottMichela 0]

Nope she is not an immigrant nor your dependent. She doesn't count as part of your household count.

great! thanks for your help

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

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