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So if gun control has no bearing on violence, what does? Conditioning?

Of course somebody wants to do something. the fact that Bay Ridge Brooklyn has no gun deaths and East New York Brooklyn has 100 gun deaths is because of conditioning.

I'm sure that's the only reason. Conditioning and human nature = the only cause of gun violence?

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Disagree with what? That 1,700 people have lost their lives to gun violence in this country since the Newtown massacre? That's not a matter of opinion, that's a matter of fact. Or do you disagree that only very few of these murders made national news? That's not really a matter of opinion either. Surely you will agree that there are not 30 national news stories about deaths from gun violence a day. Yet that is how many people fall victim to gun violence - per day.

Disagree with what you're saying about the media not being on a blind reporting rampage. I do see it as that.

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Disagree with what you're saying about the media not being on a blind reporting rampage. I do see it as that.

So the media should not report mass shootings?

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I'm sure that's the only reason. Conditioning and human nature = the only cause of gun violence?

Yes, human nature. You and I, and everyone else is simply born with these traits.

70000 B.C. Caveman battles other caveman over cavewoman. He kills other caveman. No one calls it violence. And winning caveman gets woman.

2013 AD. Man battles other man over woman. Man kills other man, we call that violence. And man goes to jail for life.

The difference? The Ten Commandments (or penal law, whichever one you prefer) says it is a sin (or against the law, whichever one you prefer)

The real difference? NONE

Modern society solution? Conditioning.

So the media should not report mass shootings?

Man shoots wife, and gets into a gunfight with officers and is killed (I don't know how the 3rd person died). You call that a mass shooting?

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Yes, human nature. You and I, and everyone else is simply born with these traits.

70000 B.C. Caveman battles other caveman over cavewoman. He kills other caveman. No one calls it violence. And winning caveman gets woman.

2013 AD. Man battles other man over woman. Man kills other man, we call that violence. And man goes to jail for life.

The difference? The Ten Commandments (or penal law, whichever one you prefer) says it is a sin (or against the law, whichever one you prefer)

The real difference? NONE

Modern society solution? Conditioning.

Man shoots wife, and gets into a gunfight with officers and is killed (I don't know how the 3rd person died). You call that a mass shooting?

A man walks into a public building, shoots his wife and another woman, and wounds officers. That's not news?

Yes, I know, you believe everyone is born a sinner and born violent and that it's conditioned out of them. The US just does a sh*tty job of it. Whatever you say.

If it's human nature, why do so many of these killers not have any violent past? How often do you hear "They were so normal, they wouldn't hurt anybody!" They kept their "human nature" in check until they had the opportunity?

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A man walks into a public building, shoots his wife and another woman, and wounds officers. That's not news?

Yes, I know, you believe everyone is born a sinner and born violent and that it's conditioned out of them. The US just does a sh*tty job of it. Whatever you say.

It is news. Not a mass shooting. And I reiterate. I didn't see any headlines that read "Man kills wife and dies in ensuing gun battle" with a subtitle that read "bystander killed"

or "Man shoots wife and sister in law, and is killed in gun battle"

That would signify more accurate reporting.

But I have to give credit where credit is due. I didn't see any "Man goes berserk and goes on a mass shooting rampage, luckily he was killed before he shot 30 more on a hit list"

And yes, whether if you were conditioned to believe it or not..... You were born with human nature tendencies, which includes violence. Someone taught you not to be violent.

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It is news. Not a mass shooting. And I reiterate. I didn't see any headlines that read "Man kills wife and dies in ensuing gun battle" with a subtitle that read "bystander killed"

or "Man shoots wife and sister in law, and is killed in gun battle"

That would signify more accurate reporting.

But I have to give credit where credit is due. I didn't see any "Man goes berserk and goes on a mass shooting rampage, luckily he was killed before he shot 30 more on a hit list"

And yes, whether if you were conditioned to believe it or not..... You were born with human nature tendencies, which includes violence. Someone taught you not to be violent.

What's wrong with the headline "Several shot in Delaware court"? That was the original title of the article before they knew how many had been injured.

It is now "3 dead in Delaware courthouse shooting"

And still buried in the CNN news stories. How is that not accurate reporting?

So you honestly believe that nobody taught these people it was wrong to kill? They just didn't know, and that's why they did it? :blink: Nobody taught them to NOT be violent so they grab guns and kill people?

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If it's human nature, why do so many of these killers not have any violent past? How often do you hear "They were so normal, they wouldn't hurt anybody!" They kept their "human nature" in check until they had the opportunity?

I am calling your "Normal" as the "abnormal" what is normal behavior? who standardized it?

can you honestly say that you were really born not greedy, not selfish, not violent? IS that what you think? Observe your children. Observe your pets.

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So you honestly believe that nobody taught these people it was wrong to kill? They just didn't know, and that's why they did it? :blink: Nobody taught them to NOT be violent so they grab guns and kill people?

Thats not what I said. I said it is in human nature to be violent.

And I stated what I would consider accurate reporting

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Thats not what I said. I said it is in human nature to be violent.

And I stated what I would consider accurate reporting

What makes the story I posted inaccurate?

And that is what you said - people are violent because they are not conditioned NOT to be. They are born that way and nobody taught them what's right and what's wrong. Is that not correct?

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So the media should not report mass shootings?

It would help, given that many of these people seek notoriety. However I would never seek censorship because I believe in first amendment rights and freedom of the press.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-man-stan-nguyen-accused-pulling-gun-air-conditioning-repairman-heated-dispute-article-1.1106760

here, this is the kind of reporting I see.

On the same page as the court shooting today. The NY Daily news posts this year old story TODAY. It's not even a shooting. It is Menacing, in Florida. Really, NY Daily news? This is accurate reporting? This is not sensationalizing? Why then did I see this story on the same page as the court shooting today? Menacing in florida reported in NYC 8 months after it happened....

What makes the story I posted inaccurate?

And that is what you said - people are violent because they are not conditioned NOT to be. They are born that way and nobody taught them what's right and what's wrong. Is that not correct?

Did I say it was your story that was inaccurate?

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-man-stan-nguyen-accused-pulling-gun-air-conditioning-repairman-heated-dispute-article-1.1106760

here, this is the kind of reporting I see.

On the same page as the court shooting today. The NY Daily news posts this year old story TODAY. It's not even a shooting. It is Menacing, in Florida. Really, NY Daily news? This is accurate reporting? This is not sensationalizing? Why then did I see this story on the same page as the court shooting today? Menacing in florida reported in NYC 8 months after it happened....

Did I say it was your story that was inaccurate?

You're right, I should have known you were talking about another story that's completely off topic from this one. :lol: My mistake.

You said this:

I didn't see any headlines that read "Man kills wife and dies in ensuing gun battle" with a subtitle that read "bystander killed"

or "Man shoots wife and sister in law, and is killed in gun battle"

That would signify more accurate reporting.

That implies that you believe THIS STORY isn't as accurate as you'd like it to be. I ask you why that's true, and you talk about some bizarre NY Times story about Florida that happened last year.

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