Several shot in Delaware court

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April 28, 1996: Martin Bryant, 29, bursts into cafeteria in seaside resort of Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia, shooting 20 people to death. Driving away, he kills 15 others. He was captured and imprisoned

March 13, 1996: Thomas Hamilton, 43, kills 16 kindergarten children and their teacher in elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and then kills himself

Sept. 23, 2008: Matti Saari, 22, walks into a vocational college in Kauhajoki, Finland, and opens fire, killing 10 people and burning their bodies with firebombs before shooting himself fatally in the head

April 26, 2002: Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, who had been expelled from school in Erfurt, Germany, kills 13 teachers, two former classmates and policeman, before committing suicide

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norway? mexico? france?

How about bombings?

may be the court officers got into a gun fight with him, and prevented more deaths......

I would hardly call Mexico a civilized country.

How many recent mass shootings in Norway do you know of? I can think of one.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/23/nation/la-naw-norway-gun-policy-20110724

France?

France had 134 gun related deaths reported in 2009. The US that year? Over 11,000.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/france#number_of_gun_homicides

Maybe security officers did stop the violence. I would hope that's the case. They could not prevent the killing, and I don't think anything could. I simply think that's just the way things are in this country. Talk of gun control is nice and all, but with every day that passes, a new shooting occurs and it becomes obvious: the problem is too big.

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I would hardly call Mexico a civilized country.

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According to them they are lol. I'm not posting here anymore. tooo much brain power required...

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April 28, 1996: Martin Bryant, 29, bursts into cafeteria in seaside resort of Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia, shooting 20 people to death. Driving away, he kills 15 others. He was captured and imprisoned

March 13, 1996: Thomas Hamilton, 43, kills 16 kindergarten children and their teacher in elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and then kills himself

Sept. 23, 2008: Matti Saari, 22, walks into a vocational college in Kauhajoki, Finland, and opens fire, killing 10 people and burning their bodies with firebombs before shooting himself fatally in the head

April 26, 2002: Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, who had been expelled from school in Erfurt, Germany, kills 13 teachers, two former classmates and policeman, before committing suicide

Going all the way back to 1996, you found four stories. Four.

The latest one being over five years ago.

Here's a US vs Australia comparison:

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime

Violence happens everywhere. Nobody's arguing that. But there's no point in denying that it happens more often and on a larger scale in the US than it does in other CIVILIZED countries. Not Mexico...

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Going all the way back to 1996, you found four stories. Four.

The latest one being over five years ago.

Here's a US vs Australia comparison:

http://www.nationmas...ed-States/Crime

How many people in austrailia? 15-17 million? the population of NY state? find the mass shootings in NY state and compare it to austrailia...why can't you just say...."yes, Steve, it is human nature to be violent" ?

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And I found more than 4 stories....I just posted the 4 because if I post one from India, you might say "that doesn't count because its not a civilized country".....

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How many people in austrailia? 15-17 million? the population of NY state? find the mass shootings in NY state and compare it to austrailia...why can't you just say...."yes, Steve, it is human nature to be violent" ?

You do not think that gun statistics take population into consideration? So the states with the highest population should have the most gun deaths, right? Except that isn't the case.

But okay, let's compare NY to Australia. NY had 445 firearm murders in 2011.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

In 2010, Australia had 30.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

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You do not think that gun statistics take population into consideration? So the states with the highest population should have the most gun deaths, right? Except that isn't the case.

But okay, let's compare NY to Australia. NY had 445 firearm murders in 2011.

http://www.guardian....-crime-us-state

In 2010, Australia had 30.

http://www.gunpolicy...egion/australia

I thought we were talking about rampage shootings....

how about south africa? is that civilized? brazil? pakistan? RUSSIA?

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And I found more than 4 stories....I just posted the 4 because if I post one from India, you might say "that doesn't count because its not a civilized country".....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Look at the kind of countries that are ahead of America in gun related deaths.

Countries like El Salvador, Jamaica, Honduras, Guatemala, Swaziland, Colombia, Brazil, Panama ...

India, by the way? On that list, not even close to the US.

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Just as an aside, I wouldn't put any credence at all into metrics coming out of India. Nothing gets reported there.

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I thought we were talking about rampage shootings....

how about south africa? is that civilized? brazil? pakistan? RUSSIA?

I am talking about homicides by firearm. Aren't you?

You wanted to compare NY to Australia and I did. Similar populations, yet very different results when it comes to gun violence. Why?

Edited February 11, 2013 by Evylin

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I am talking about homicides by firearm. Aren't you?

You wanted to compare NY to Australia and I did. Similar populations, yet very different results when it comes to gun violence. Why?

I'm talking about human nature.......

So I guess we're a cow talking to a duck in dog language.......

but only the civilized countries count according to you, and there's only what? 3 civilized countries on the planet........

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I'm talking about human nature.......

So I guess we're a cow talking to a duck in dog language.......

but only the civilized countries count according to you, and there's only what? 3 civilized countries on the planet........

If it's human nature, why isn't it happening everywhere else on the same scale? I compared ONE state to an entire country and the US still had far more gun related deaths. Does human nature not matter in Australia?

It makes sense to compare the US to like-minded countries, no? Countries with a similar quality of life. Plenty more than three.

You could compare the US to a poverty-stricken country if you'd like but I'm not sure that's a fair comparison.

Edited February 11, 2013 by Evylin

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If it's human nature, why isn't it happening everywhere else on the same scale? I compared ONE state to an entire country and the US still had far more gun related deaths. Does human nature not matter in Australia?

It makes sense to compare the US to like-minded countries, no? Countries with a similar quality to life.

You could compare the US to a poverty-stricken country if you'd like but I'm not sure that's a fair comparison.

there's more to it than just quality of life. there's history, for example. this country has a violent history which has to a very large extent shaped its social mores. in that respect, we have more in common with mexico than we do with canada.