Female dies in Botched abortion.

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

I'm not mocking you.

I'm saying I would not take life advice from you. I think you should allow women to make choices for themselves, the same way you've been able to make choices for you.

So, point out my "issues" that I've had the courage to talk about is what, exactly?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

So, point out my "issues" that I've had the courage to talk about is what, exactly?

You bring up your medical issues in so many threads, and yet if someone else brings it up, it's "mocking" you? Look up the definition of mocking. I'm not laughing at you, I'm not saying your problems are stupid.

Social anxiety and depression are a b*tch. But what makes you believe you should tell other women how to make their own decisions? It's great to be pro-life, if you are pro-life. But why do you feel the need to push your values and morals on other women and try to convince them to do what's right FOR YOU and not for them?

You don't see pro-choice people trying to convince other women to get abortions, do you?

Edited February 12, 2013 by Evylin

[decocker 7,198]

not that anyone cares - but here's the obituary of the 'weak' (to use nola's words) woman and baby who died - apparently due to - the universe punishing 'people like that'

obit

westchester news

[Penny Lane 8,159]

not that anyone cares - but here's the obituary of the 'weak' (to use nola's words) woman and baby who died - apparently due to - the universe punishing 'people like that'

obit

westchester news

Nobody cares about the woman. Won't someone think of the baby?!

[decocker 7,198]

Nobody cares about the woman. Won't someone think of the baby?!

the woman was weak and would have obviously made the child's life a living hell. so the universe sorted the whole thing out!

personally i would like to know how this woman came to the decision that she needed to drive from new york to maryland to have a four day abortion procedure. i want to know why she was reaching out to the organization in the op and why they were in constant contact with her prior to her death. she was a teacher and married. not your typical late term abortion patient..

[Penny Lane 8,159]

the woman was weak and would have obviously made the child's life a living hell. so the universe sorted the whole thing out!

personally i would like to know how this woman came to the decision that she needed to drive from new york to maryland to have a four day abortion procedure. i want to know why she was reaching out to the organization in the op and why they were in constant contact with her prior to her death. she was a teacher and married. not your typical late term abortion patient..

Yet the people who claim to be pro-life don't care about the answers to your questions. They don't even care enough to try and find a legitimate news source stating what exactly happened. They'd rather take this poorly written "article" and use it as an example as to why OMG ABORTION IS MURDER.

And yet they complain about exploiting others when it comes to gun violence stories. Ridiculous.

[Teddy B 17,252]

But what makes you believe you should tell other women how to make their own decisions? It's great to be pro-life, if you are pro-life. But why do you feel the need to push your values and morals on other women and try to convince them to do what's right FOR YOU and not for them?

You don't see pro-choice people trying to convince other women to get abortions, do you?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Hi! Two time weak woman here! Holla!

Yep, I had two terminations in my 20s. I was happily married and we did not want to start a family. I cannot take hormonal birth control, so unsurprisingly things happen within a marriage when you're not always vigilant. We thought very hard about what we were doing, and didn't take it lightly. For us, being parents wasn't an option either time we were faced with the possibility. Carrying a child to term to put it up for adoption was also not an option, since I was at graduate school, and then law school. I had to put the needs of our little two-person family first, and I had no desire to be a mother. Also, nice middle-class married women in Britain (at least in the circles I mixed in) rarely have children just to put them up for adoption, unless they are anti-abortion. I am not.

I didn't need educating, thanks. I've been involved in reproductive rights since university, and I knew after a lot of reflection that adopting out a child was not something I could do, personally. Hats off to the women who can, but it's their choice to do so. Just as it was my choice not to be a parent, a choice I made with my husband.

Be a mom! Don't be a mom! We need to respect each other's choices, even if we don't agree with them. I could be very, very snotty about women who choose to bring children into the world in circumstances that could politely be termed "strained," but that is their decision. I hope they carry it off well.

[james&olya 1,121]

I saw a bumper sticker on a car parked at our local catholic church on a sunday not long ago. It said it well. CHOOSE LIFE. By saying 'choose' it recognizes the right of the individual to have a choice! It exhorts readers of their rear bumper to make that voluntary choice in favor of life! Perfect! It does not say "Coerce continuing pregnancies" as the so-called 'pro-life' crowd stridently advocates for. Why can't catholics get behind this simple concept that in the USA we have freedom of the individual to make their own moral decisions and the farthest they may legally go in opposing abortion is to try to use their individual powers of persuasion to talk people out of it that are willing to listen. That, and like nola says, work to make it easier for women in difficult circumstances to have support medically, socially, and financially to be able to choose life.

[Dr. Obvious 49]

Also, nice middle-class married women in Britain (at least in the circles I mixed in) rarely have children just to put them up for adoption, unless they are anti-abortion. I am not.

It is a stupid idea anyway. I know both our families would absolutely shame us into keeping it (despite being utterly irreligious and otherwise pro-choice) and would never let us live it down if we adopted it out. Plus we already have a kid who is old enough to know that I'd be pregnant without me having to say anything and how are you supposed to explain the fact that their sibling just disappeared one day? She's not stupid. Not to mention the risk I'd be putting to my own health and safety by carrying an unwanted pregnancy.

Nope, adoption is not an option in my case. I have no desire to have any more children and neither does my husband. If my husband's vasectomy failed, I'd probably strongly consider an abortion and get Essure done.

[Teddy B 17,252]

I saw a bumper sticker on a car parked at our local catholic church on a sunday not long ago. It said it well. CHOOSE LIFE. By saying 'choose' it recognizes the right of the individual to have a choice! It exhorts readers of their rear bumper to make that voluntary choice in favor of life! Perfect! It does not say "Coerce continuing pregnancies" as the so-called 'pro-life' crowd stridently advocates for. Why can't catholics get behind this simple concept that in the USA we have freedom of the individual to make their own moral decisions and the farthest they may legally go in opposing abortion is to try to use their individual powers of persuasion to talk people out of it that are willing to listen. That, and like nola says, work to make it easier for women in difficult circumstances to have support medically, socially, and financially to be able to choose life.

It goes well beyond just Catholics, it's all Christians, Baptists tend to be the worst.

[decocker 7,198]

It goes well beyond just Catholics, it's all Christians, Baptists tend to be the worst.

baptists tend to indoctrinate their children very young (as i mentioned to danno earlier, he questioned my use of the word) to behave as warriors for the unborn. children are shown pictures of aborted fetuses as well as ultra sound pictures of healthy babies. they are fed propaganda portraying doctors as murderers and undecided women as 'weak' who need proper assistance to arrive at the 'correct' decision (lest they find themselves swayed by evil money hungry abortionists). children are the easiest recruits for the prolife agenda, that's why you'll find so many children holding horrific posters and standing outside abortion clinics with their parents well before they even know how a baby is conceived.

such indoctrination is a unfortunately common form of child abuse, imo.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

It is a stupid idea anyway. I know both our families would absolutely shame us into keeping it (despite being utterly irreligious and otherwise pro-choice) and would never let us live it down if we adopted it out. Plus we already have a kid who is old enough to know that I'd be pregnant without me having to say anything and how are you supposed to explain the fact that their sibling just disappeared one day? She's not stupid. Not to mention the risk I'd be putting to my own health and safety by carrying an unwanted pregnancy.

Nope, adoption is not an option in my case. I have no desire to have any more children and neither does my husband. If my husband's vasectomy failed, I'd probably strongly consider an abortion and get Essure done.

If I had said I wanted to bring a pregnancy to term and give it up, my parents would have tried to get me committed. Despite my parents being pro-choice, I'm sure they also would have gently urged me as well to keep a child because they loooooooove grandbabies! My mom nearly produced a tiny fluffy kitten of hopeful happiness when I said the BF and I are not counting children out of the equation. But now is a different time for me -- I'm in a job I enjoy, and with a partner who would be a good father. At our decrepit age, procreation is less likely than it was before, so a child would be a surprise indeed!

Edited February 12, 2013 by the maven

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

I'd like to expand on what you said Maven without coming from a judgemental place. I have a British aunt who is 35 that our family just found out about maybe 5 years ago? She was a secret and given up for adoption, so while it might not have been super popular among adult married women, it certainly did happen when they went on an extended trip to "visit a relative." Mind you, this was probably a little before your time, but it is a counterexample.

Being that I made a different choice than you - 21, in the process of a divorce, and still in uni, I'm wondering why we made different choices? I've had several miscarriages as well that had they been successful, I would have carried to term even when I was pro-choice and perfectly fine with abortion as a concept.

I try to see things from the viewpoint of others, but I have real trouble with this issue because I've been in those shoes and the choice was so clear. Maybe you can help me understand.

[Penguin_ie 5,994]

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