Kid Suspended for Throwing Imaginary Grenade

[Caryh 5,206]

Amazing. Teachers get sh*t on in this country, don't get paid nearly enough, and now we want to arm and train them to protect our children as well. Who is going to pay for that? Who is going to pay for the armed guards in every school in this country? Teachers should start grabbing their text books and lesson plans, their bulletproof vests and their firearms before teaching grade 4 math.

Yeah. Definitely not the country I want to live in. And in other civilized countries, this kind of insanity isn't necessary. America is #1!

I've put forth that question to some very right wing pro gun friends of who would pay for guards. Its the NRA that proposed the armed guard idea after all. I even asked if they were willing to accept an extra tax on guns and ammo to pay for it. Of course they went silent and didn't answer, except mumbling something about impeaching Obama and damn lazy welfare Democrats. I'm pissed the government has thrown so much regulation at schools that most school employees are not teaching students, but pushing paperwork! Something is just totally wrong with that. But thats a completely different topic and a pet peeve of mine.

It would actually be nice to hear the public bouncing around ideas that may have merit rather than just feel good ideas. From the left I just hear ban the assault weapons and make clips smaller, when Sandyhook didn't even use an assault style weapon or large clips. Everything he used would still be available under the bans people are calling for. And the guns weren't even his, he killed his mother and took her guns. Again its feel good measures, not a true solution. Both the left and the right have valid points, but neither wishes to acknowledge when their ideas just plain ineffective or wrong.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Amazing. Teachers get sh*t on in this country, don't get paid nearly enough,

I don't believe either of those are true.

Teachers rank #5 in America's most respected professions.

The average college graduate makes $46,000 a year. The average elementary teacher makes $44,000 for 9 months work.

[Caryh 5,206]

I don't believe either of those are true.

Teachers rank #5 in America's most respected professions.

The average college graduate makes $46,000 a year. The average elementary teacher makes $44,000 for 9 months work.

Hey don't mess with the myth! What they do get screwed on is lack of supplies in many schools, where they take money out of their own pocket for supplies the school should be supplying. But the vacation days in that career are outstanding! Makes me sometimes wish I had gone that direction in a career.

[Golden Gate 530]

"Myths and Facts about Educator Pay

MYTH: Teachers make just as much as other, comparable professions.

FACT: According to a recent study by the National Association of Colleges and Employers, the teaching profession has an average national starting salary of $30,377. Meanwhile, NACE finds that other college graduates who enter fields requiring similar training and responsibilities start at higher salaries:

Computer programmers start at an average of $43,635,

Public accounting professionals at $44,668, and

Registered nurses at $45,570.

Not only do teachers start lower than other professionals, but the more years they put into teaching, the wider the gap gets."

My link

Hard to believe that teachers make in the $40,000 range across the country starting out. Perhaps in a few places, like California, where some cities (like Oakland) FINALLY raised the teacher salaries. Very difficult to survive in the Bay Area on that salary unless you have housemates. My starting salary in North Carolina was less than $30,000. Secretaries make more than I did.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

"Myths and Facts about Educator Pay

MYTH: Teachers make just as much as other, comparable professions.

FACT: According to a recent study by the National Association of Colleges and Employers, the teaching profession has an average national starting salary of $30,377. Meanwhile, NACE finds that other college graduates who enter fields requiring similar training and responsibilities start at higher salaries:

Computer programmers start at an average of $43,635,

Public accounting professionals at $44,668, and

Registered nurses at $45,570.

Not only do teachers start lower than other professionals, but the more years they put into teaching, the wider the gap gets."

My link

Hard to believe that teachers make in the $40,000 range across the country starting out. Perhaps in a few places, like California, where some cities (like Oakland) FINALLY raised the teacher salaries. Very difficult to survive in the Bay Area on that salary unless you have housemates. My starting salary in North Carolina was less than $30,000. Secretaries make more than I did.

North Carolina is a little behind the national average I would say at $36,000 currently.

The average salary for elementary teacher jobs in MI is $47,000.

Edited February 8, 2013 by The Patriot

[JensJrny2Ray 367]

If you added up all the hours that teachers put in, it would equal a full year of 8 hour days or more. They're not in school from just 8-3pm, more often they're in school until at least 6 or later and then they go home to mark papers, get a lesson plan ready for the next day, etc. etc.

I seriously don't think that 44 grand/yr is enough for teachers.

[Caryh 5,206]

"Myths and Facts about Educator Pay

MYTH: Teachers make just as much as other, comparable professions.

FACT: According to a recent study by the National Association of Colleges and Employers, the teaching profession has an average national starting salary of $30,377. Meanwhile, NACE finds that other college graduates who enter fields requiring similar training and responsibilities start at higher salaries:

Computer programmers start at an average of $43,635,

Public accounting professionals at $44,668, and

Registered nurses at $45,570.

Not only do teachers start lower than other professionals, but the more years they put into teaching, the wider the gap gets."

My link

Hard to believe that teachers make in the $40,000 range across the country starting out. Perhaps in a few places, like California, where some cities (like Oakland) FINALLY raised the teacher salaries. Very difficult to survive in the Bay Area on that salary unless you have housemates. My starting salary in North Carolina was less than $30,000. Secretaries make more than I did.

Teachers could be paid a bit better in my view, but they also have benefits that other professions do not get. Like a 9 month work year, and significantly more holidays off than your average worker.

Using your numbers

Teacher starting pay $3375 per month

Programmer starting pay $3636 per month

Journalism major starting pay $0 per month, those guys never get a job

So the reality is yes they have lower annual salaries, but what other career offers summers off?

I personally chose the job I have because I love the work. I could have easily gone into another line of business with my same degree and made significantly more. I chose not to because to me it would not have been as fun a job for me, even knowing I was going into an area that would pay less. We make choices about what we want to do. Some want only money, others want something more out of their career than just money. I don't really have any pity for people that enter a field of work and complain about the pay, when they knew, or could have known pay scales when they chose the field. Just as I don't complain about not getting summers off.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Imaginary grenade = imaginary suspension.

[Golden Gate 530]

Not complaining, just setting the record straight about teacher salary.

[SAT 9,609]

You know, the teachers in this area (NYC metropolitan & tri-state ) are into the 6 figure salary range. Long Island NY amongst the highest at close to 150K.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

If you added up all the hours that teachers put in, it would equal a full year of 8 hour days or more. They're not in school from just 8-3pm, more often they're in school until at least 6 or later and then they go home to mark papers, get a lesson plan ready for the next day, etc. etc.

I seriously don't think that 44 grand/yr is enough for teachers.

And now we're gonna arm them so they can get into a gunfight with any would-be maniac.

Here's a map of what teachers make depending on location:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/map-teachers-salaries-by-city

Edited February 8, 2013 by Evylin

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Teaching, is a calling, to mold young minds into your own image.

[SAT 9,609]

And now we're gonna arm them so they can get into a gunfight with any would-be maniac.

Here's a map of what teachers make depending on location:

http://www.motherjon...alaries-by-city

See? NY is green lol

Teaching, is a calling, to mold young minds into your own image.

And that's where our problems begin.....

[Penny Lane 8,159]

See? NY is green lol

Yes, one of the one or two greens I see on the map.

The rest are a pretty average salary.

[SAT 9,609]

Yes, one of the one or two greens I see on the map.

The rest are a pretty average salary.

yes, true dat. And it's difficult to get tenure here

. Nanny bloomberg and andrew cuomo turned the dept of education upside-down here.